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[Spoilers!]Theory on Obito and what has happend with him to become Tobi[Spoilers!]
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Ok, so as most of you know the newest manga chapter 599 was released today and most of everyone should have read it, if not this contains spoilers for you. We learned that Tobi's identity is Obito (to me this is not a big surprise), but what lead him to become the cheerful kid to become a man that wants world domination? I've spent awhile putting some piece's together and reading/watching older chapters/episodes To come up with this...

THEORY:
Well the first thing to come to my mind Is Who saved him? Is it possible that The real Madara Uchiha was still around and some how found him? Then that brings up another question how did he get found? Was Madara and Zestu working together on a plan to control the world but seeing as Madara was dying he would need a new Uchiha to take up his place. That would justify how he knows Madara and Zestu.(im not going to get in on the whole Zestu found him and shit im just going to leave this blank for now). So seeing as Madara had found Obito he must have brained washed him some how and corrupted him into what he is today Tobi, now Madara knowing the next person capable Of using the Rinnegan and being born with it, it being Nagato makes a plan with Tobi and wants him to get revived by Nagato to do the Moon Eye Plan but...sadly Tobi has his own plans and disregarded them and that's why Madara thinks that Nagato revived him and such. But wasnt it said that Tobi gave Nagato Rinnegan so did Madara like take out his eyes WITCH were the Rinnegan and told Tobi to Transplant them into Nagato? In all Honesty im glad Tobi is Obito but Kishi has some fucking explaining to do and i have a feeling thats going to take a couple chapters...
Summery:

Tobi is Obito.
Obito gave his eye to Kakashi and they were told to run, leaving Obito to die.
Obito passed out.
Obito was saved by Madara Uchiha at The Battle of Kannabi Bridge.
After Obito woke up, Madara had already attended to his wounds,
Obito was burried in Konoha with an empty grave.
Madara became Obito's mentor.
Obito was brainwashed in the long run into accepting Madaras ideals.
Madara was the one to come up with Tsuki No Me.
Madara was the one to attack Konoha 16 years ago, wearing the mask.
Madara died after unlocking Rinnegan (is not explained how he done it) and overusing it by accident.
Obito became Tobi.
His mission was to carry out Madaras plan.
He was given all the information that Madara possessed, thus the extent of knowledge Tobi has about everything.
He was trained by Madara.


Obito Becoming Tobi

Obito's actions over the following years are largely unknown. He at some point became intimately familiar with the history of Madara Uchiha, an early Uchiha who helped create Konoha and had the power to control the Nine-Tailed Demon Fox. He also began to share Madara's ideas and beliefs: an animosity towards Konoha and its Senju clan; a special interest in the Nine-Tails and other tailed beasts; the Eye of the Moon Plan. Although Madara is believed to have died shortly after the founding of Konoha - an event that took place decades before Obito's birth - he is aware of Obito and his goals.The nature of their relationship is unclear.
Obito eventually assumed Madara's identity, something others believe was done to take advantage of the power that Madara's name suggests and the fear it brings. Because of the many infamous acts Madara carried out during his lifetime (such as acquiring an "eternal" Mangekyō Sharingan), few are surprised that Madara could still be alive after such a long time. They take the crimes that Obito commits under Madara's name as further proof that he is really Madara, as only Madara would be capable of such deeds. Not everyone has entirely believed the Madara-act, Kakashi being a frequent doubter, and they only refer to him as "Madara" in the absence of another name.
Until the events of Part II, Obito operated in secret, only using Madara's name during his private meetings with Nagato, the figurehead he uses to lead the criminal-organization, Akatsuki. Although Nagato believes that Obito really is Madara, the actual Madara also has some knowledge of Nagato's existence and abilities. Likewise, Obito has claimed that he encouraged Yahiko to form Akatsuki and that he "gave" the Rinnegan to Nagato. Both events occurred before Obito's supposed death, further complicating the truth of Obito's history.
Before he starts publicly operating as Madara, Obito uses the name "Tobi" during his interactions with others. He wears a swirl-pattern mask that focuses around his right eye: a Sharingan, the counterpart to the Sharingan he gave to Kakashi. Obito has been able to evolve this Sharingan into a Mangekyō Sharingan. Although his mask covers the left-half of his face, it is later revealed that he has a second Sharingan in his left eye. He has many other Sharingan in storage. Also in his possession is a sample of Hashirama Senju's DNA - acquired around the time of Madara's supposed death - which he uses to make copies of Zetsu. Zetsu knows that Obito is not Madara and persists in referring to him as Tobi.
Posted 8/30/12
Oh my GOD.

As soon as it has been revealed that Tobi IS Obito, the theories spring back into life with a vengeance.
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I want to see how kishi is gonna explain this, cause it really doesn't make much since. By making Tobi Obito he also introduced quite a few plot holes.
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Kendosis wrote:

I want to see how kishi is gonna explain this, cause it really doesn't make much since. By making Tobi Obito he also introduced quite a few plot holes.

it will be funny i wanna see how he can pull this off really but i was thinking since he has the kamui and can go to another dimension couldnt he have like trained there and aged then came back a couple years later but i really wanna see him pull this off.
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My theory is essentially that Madara found Obito somehow. The how or why he finds Obito and helps him is up in the air, though. I think then, as the OP suggested, Zetsu healed Obito. Madara then probably trained him to use Kamui, and then whatever happened, happened.

The main problem people have with this theory - or with Tobi being Obito all together - is that it's out of character for what we know of Obito. He was a loyal, passionate young shinobi who essentially sacrified himself for his teammates. The idea that he would then turn around and launch a war and betray them seems... juxtaposed rather sharply against this image. However, while Tobi is portrayed as evil, and certainly does some questionable things, its very likely that - like Nagato - he's just been mislead. he wandered down the wrong path believing he was doing the noble thing. Then at a certain point, it becomes a "I've gone to far to turn back now" sort of situation. >_>

Also, honestly, it's quite possible Kishi has been hinting at this for a while. There are definitely alot of things that need to be explained, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a plan here. >_>
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Glaciesflamma wrote:

My theory is essentially that Madara found Obito somehow. The how or why he finds Obito and helps him is up in the air, though. I think then, as the OP suggested, Zetsu healed Obito. Madara then probably trained him to use Kamui, and then whatever happened, happened.

The main problem people have with this theory - or with Tobi being Obito all together - is that it's out of character for what we know of Obito. He was a loyal, passionate young shinobi who essentially sacrified himself for his teammates. The idea that he would then turn around and launch a war and betray them seems... juxtaposed rather sharply against this image. However, while Tobi is portrayed as evil, and certainly does some questionable things, its very likely that - like Nagato - he's just been mislead. he wandered down the wrong path believing he was doing the noble thing. Then at a certain point, it becomes a "I've gone to far to turn back now" sort of situation. >_>

Also, honestly, it's quite possible Kishi has been hinting at this for a while. There are definitely alot of things that need to be explained, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have a plan here. >_>


kishi has a plan for everything but i just cant wait to see him pull this one out of his ass
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I agree with the things that you guys are saying because it is the same thing as the obito is tobi theories. It goes on the "fact" that zetsu rescued tobi or obito sorry.

I personally think that zetsu is the main bad guy pulling all the strings.
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I'm not even reading the manga, or watching the anime, but this is pulling me back in.
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Tobi/Obito's motivations are going to center around Rin and her death.

His hatred towards heroes and his desire for a peaceful world centers around that he loved Rin and Kakashi failed to protect her which is why he took a shot at Kakashi a couple of chapters back in saying "A world where heroes don't need to be make pathetic excuses in front of graves".

He also doesn't completely share Madara's ideals and plan. Kabuto mentioned a while back that he doesn't believe Tobi was completely acting according to Madara's plan. So it's likely Obito wants to use the Eye of the Moon Plan as a means to simply cast the genjutsu and put the world at peace where Madara likely wants to either control everyone or gain the power of the Juubi.

The biggest plot hole right now and we know from the interview Kishi had is Madara and Tobi know each other but the biggest question is how.

As far as we know Madara should be dead by Obito's time. For starters the Rinnegan that Nagato was given is likely Madara's and it's likely the real Madara that gave Nagato the eyes and formed the Akatsuki. Madara said he died shortly after awaken the Rinnegan so right now unless Kishi pulls something out of his hat Madara should be dead.

I'm sure this will center around Harashima's magic wonder cells being the reason Obito's abilities saw an increase and how he was able to "meet" Madara and find out everything.
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Jikkle wrote:

Tobi/Obito's motivations are going to center around Rin and her death.

His hatred towards heroes and his desire for a peaceful world centers around that he loved Rin and Kakashi failed to protect her which is why he took a shot at Kakashi a couple of chapters back in saying "A world where heroes don't need to be make pathetic excuses in front of graves".

He also doesn't completely share Madara's ideals and plan. Kabuto mentioned a while back that he doesn't believe Tobi was completely acting according to Madara's plan. So it's likely Obito wants to use the Eye of the Moon Plan as a means to simply cast the genjutsu and put the world at peace where Madara likely wants to either control everyone or gain the power of the Juubi.

The biggest plot hole right now and we know from the interview Kishi had is Madara and Tobi know each other but the biggest question is how.

As far as we know Madara should be dead by Obito's time. For starters the Rinnegan that Nagato was given is likely Madara's and it's likely the real Madara that gave Nagato the eyes and formed the Akatsuki. Madara said he died shortly after awaken the Rinnegan so right now unless Kishi pulls something out of his hat Madara should be dead.

I'm sure this will center around Harashima's magic wonder cells being the reason Obito's abilities saw an increase and how he was able to "meet" Madara and find out everything.


Ha of course cause Senju DNA is the answer to everything literally it is.
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There has to be more than one Tobi, Obito was not the one who attacked Minato and Kushina Although that guy never referred to himself as "Tobi" (at least I don't recall)

My guess is that guy found Obito who's kamui activated on instinct to survive being crushed. I remember him saying "I can't feel anything on that side" Which is why I always knew Tobi was Obiro that and the hairstyle
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Was hoping it wasn't Obito simply for the fact that he had a perfect "death" in that his beliefs helped shaped Kakashi as the man he is today without bending himself or others over i.e. Itachi. Now we have a typical revenge-control the world big bad who we'll probably sympathize with after he's defeated instead of a villain who was inherently evil in the first place (baby gernade much?) and who's defeat would have us cheering the heroes victory.

I wouldn't complain if they hadn't already did the whole "My death will bring peace" deal with Nagato. Doing the tragic villain thing twice (if you don't count the others) just doesn't have the same impact to me.

Maybe the real endgame boss is Madara... which would still have a lacking victory celebration imo...

Just my thoughts.
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I'm calling it right now there is probably someone else behind everything
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That was an interesting read.
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the issue is Madara has not shown the phasing ability at all so I dubt he was the one who fought Minato, I think by that time Obito was already brought over to Madara's side and was the one who fought Minato, also the original Madara shown in kiri had hair that matched Madara but the Tobi who fought Minato had short hair, I think Obito was the one who fought Minato, odds are that Madara had already died by the time that happened leaving everything to Obito to complete his plan, Kishi has alot to explain, but I beleive that this info is close to spot on, as for everything else you stated, It would be something I'm neither going to oppose or support unless Kishi shows it as such..
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