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do you believe there is a jesus and god??
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Posted 9/4/12
I was raised to believe about Jesus and the Lord God.
So sometimes, when I'm down or in the time of need, I prey to Him.
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Posted 9/5/12

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Holy freaking war man...

Make it a double-Dutch rudder and you've got yourself a deal. Do we look each other in the eyes or is that too much?


It's a more complicated maneuver but I think we can pull it off. It's not gay as long as we're only grabbing each others arms and there's no cross tip-touching.

We can look each other in the eyes, I think that's only being courteous and respectful.

Just please ignore the glimmer in my eyes and the pleased expression on my face.



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You know, for this being an attempt at some kind of religious conversation, I think I've laughed more than I have about some of the stuff that was meant as a joke. All we need now is a Cleveland Steamer and the Rape Train to ride on through and we've got ourselves a par-tay.

Eh hem... all silliness aside, to comment on the OP, I personally am and have probably always been an agnostic at heart. While I wish it were true that there was something watching over me, I have found only evidence to the contrary and therefore can't bring myself to just base it all on faith. The 'god' spoken of in most religious texts seems to be a very proactive sort of guy, very into smiting and plagues and what have you. The fact that the deity has now turned a blind eye to the most depraved and 'sinful' time in human history leads me to conclude that there is indeed no such animal. I've heard many a bible thumping person claim that it is all by their god's will that things are happening, and yet if you read the actual book they base this conclusion on, it would seem to be the antithesis of what the being know to them as god would allow. You can't switch from punishing sin and vice and idol worship and all the other horrible things that were punished 'back in the day' to allowing it to run rampant all over the Earth and claim that 'the lord works in mysterious ways.' By that logic, 'god' has taken the day off... permanently.

Now, you can believe anything you wish as ardently as you wish to and that's fine. But remember one thing, no matter how many people share similar beliefs, what you hold in your heart to be true is unique to you and you have no right to push it on others any more than I have a right to tell you to stop believing it.
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Suppose in a parallel, alternate universe there is no heaven, hell, or continuation in the afterlife of any kind. Once you die, there is nothing after that, no awareness or "spirit" of any kind. Maybe this parallel universe does or does not have a god, perhaps the existence of a would be god is irrelevant to the existence or number of parallel universes.

But in this parallel universe wouldn't the majority of inhabitants of a planet identical to ours still believe in deities? Still with all their hearts believe they should worship something and in return will live on in heaven when they die? Or believe in some sort of eternal penalty if they deny that?

If so, how does that universe really differ at all from our own then? Meaning perhaps it is the exact same thing; there is no heaven or hell and probably no god or any gods or Jesus, or anything supernatural here either.

If you can rationalize a scenario like that in an alternate universe, then there's no reason not to rationalize our 2 universes are one and the same.
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Posted 9/7/12

JustineKo2 wrote:

Suppose in a parallel, alternate universe there is no heaven, hell, or continuation in the afterlife of any kind. Once you die, there is nothing after that, no awareness or "spirit" of any kind. Maybe this parallel universe does or does not have a god, perhaps the existence of a would be god is irrelevant to the existence or number of parallel universes.

But in this parallel universe wouldn't the majority of inhabitants of a planet identical to ours still believe in deities? Still with all their hearts believe they should worship something and in return will live on in heaven when they die? Or believe in some sort of eternal penalty if they deny that?

If so, how does that universe really differ at all from our own then? Meaning perhaps it is the exact same thing; there is no heaven or hell and probably no god or any gods or Jesus, or anything supernatural here either.

If you can rationalize a scenario like that in an alternate universe, then there's no reason not to rationalize our 2 universes are one and the same.


Look at our world... different culture in different part of the world... and each tribes / clans had managed to come up with their own 'Religion'.
... So it is a pretty good evidence that we need to conjure some kind of creator to explain things around us...
Posted 9/7/12
About as much as I believe in unicorns.
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Posted 9/11/12
No. And I would never have heard of them if no one mentioned them when I was younger. Sadly people told me to believe in santa, god and toot fairy
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Posted 9/13/12
Perhaps once upon a time there was a Jesus. But was he the son of God? No. Is there a God? No, I don't think so either.
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Posted 9/13/12

ispy12 wrote: and toot fairy


The TOOT fairy? OH MY! Now that is crazy.

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Posted 9/13/12

Kerensa wrote:


ispy12 wrote: and toot fairy


The TOOT fairy? OH MY! Now that is crazy.



pretty scary indeed.

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Posted 9/14/12
I don't. But even though I don't believe, I am still searching for my God, and my Jesus.
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Posted 9/15/12
There is more evidence for Dragons than there is for a God.

As for Jesus... The only evidence we have of him that is not religious text based... Points out he was the bastard child of a roman soldier.

So am I to believe in something that has less backing then flying fire breathing Dragons? Or Elves? I think Not... There is no god based on that fact.
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Posted 9/15/12
I believe in God but not necessarily the one in the Bible because that has been rewritten so many times.
I think Jesus is just a man who lived and did good things for people but that he wasn't a holy being.
But yes, I do believe and have a basic self made faith about the world.
I don't think I have to make anyone believe what I do for it to have worth of its own standing.
Everyone should view the world as they want.
Whatever makes your days brighter and have meaning is fine, even if it's just faith in yourself.
Posted 9/15/12
Yes, I believe in Jesus and God. But I don't mean "believe" as in regard to "existence."

As for the matters concerning Jesus and God, these cannot be proven. They cannot be empirically deduced - whether or not they exist, I mean. One can only take it by faith. Now, faith is not inferior to reason or logic, but it is a different method of perceiving altogether.

Faith cannot be initiated with our natural senses – sight, taste, smell, audition, touch, sense of direction, &c. Rather, faith is something that must be felt initially with the heart. The brain cannot tell you that God is loving – only the heart, when the Father reveals Himself to His beloved through His Holy Spirit, can respond to His calling with a hopeful “yes.”

In his Training in Christianity, Søren Kierkegaard reveals the ultimate "offense” of Christianity (not Christendom - that is another matter altogether) that prevents the common person from making what he calls a leap to faith (not leap of faith!). The Offense can be manifested in two separate ways, both of which, I think, ultimately lead to the same conclusion:

1) the rejection of Jesus Christ as God because of his perceived (and actual) lowly state as a man. In other words, this is how the Pharisees saw and responded to Jesus and His miracles: “This man! This poor man with nothing to his name. How can he call himself God?”

In this manifestation of what Kierkegaard calls the "offense” of Christianity, the Pharisees are blinded from faith because they cannot fathom that a man such as Jesus could actually be God. In this sense, they are offended by Jesus because he supposedly commits blasphemy by elevating himself, no, actually equating himself, as God. In other words, the Pharisees perceived Jesus as a nuthead with a blasphemously large ego too big for his own head.

2) the rejection of Jesus Christ because, if he were really God, he would not have made himself into a poor man from such a humble background. Right? Should not God reveal Himself in greater splendor than what little Jesus had, if not the greatest splendor man has ever seen?

In this second manifestation, of which arguably Peter and the apostles were “guilty” (I do not use this term to mean they were committing any sort of crime or sin, but that these feelings were probably found within them), one is offended by the fact that God would reveal Himself to His people as a lowly man. That Jesus Christ is God one would not deny, but that Jesus Christ came into the world as this lowly man? Those who are offended in this manner cannot comprehend the paradox of God and the lowly man. They cannot reconcile these two seemingly opposite characteristics: a powerful, splendid God and a helpless, poor, humiliated man.

But this is precisely what Jesus Christ is – the ultimate paradox to have existed. He is the utmost perfection, fully God, fully man. He is not man incarnated as God, however. One must understand (though this word implies that one reasons it out, and this statement cannot be reasoned – it must be believed in faith only) that Jesus Christ is God incarnated as man, a perfect man without blemish or sin. Though Jesus, during His time here on earth, was comprised of flesh, he was not born of flesh but born of Spirit.

I would argue that it doesn't take faith to believe that God exists. But it takes faith to believe in the Christ, the ultimate paradox, and that the God of this universe is caring and loving.
Posted 11/18/12
I believe in Jesus and god. As Jesus is Isa for us and god is Allah. There existence is in the quran, we respect jesus, and if we dont believe in him then we cant be muslims. Its a fundamental belief all the prophets. Not just Jesus.
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