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How much do you think piracy contributed to it?
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Posted 11/23/12
Crunchyroll used to be somewhat of a piracy site....I'd say piracy kinda helped anime in the long run. How would we know about anime otherwise? It probably would take a few years to get popular on it's own to come over to other countries.
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Posted 11/23/12 , edited 11/23/12
I don't know. They will always put the blame on piracy first, though I don't know how they get figures for how much it's impacting their sales.


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if you can get something for free, why would you pay for it?

Because you want to own stuff you will enjoy. Never have I ever purchased a media product without previewing it, unless it was on an extremely low sale. Even back when I only bought regular books, I would never purchase a copy for myself unless I could get it from the library to check out first (unless it was a collectable item).

Aside from that, it's hard to put a pin in a licensing company that has a lot of releases I'd buy. A fortunate exception is NISA, which has been bringing out a lot of the niche sort of titles I enjoy; I've purchased a number of their releases, and am saving up to buy more.

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Posted 11/23/12

_IceAndCream_ wrote:

I don't know. They will always put the blame on piracy first, though I don't know how they get figures for how much it's impacting their sales.


JayVeeDees wrote:

if you can get something for free, why would you pay for it?

Because you want to own stuff you will enjoy. Never have I ever purchased a media product without previewing it, unless it was on an extremely low sale. Even back when I only bought regular books, I would never purchase a copy for myself unless I could get it from the library to check out first (unless it was a collectable item).

Aside from that, it's hard to put a pin in a licensing company that has a lot of releases I'd buy. A fortunate exception is NISA, which has been bringing out a lot of the niche sort of titles I enjoy; I've purchased a number of their releases, and am saving up to buy more.



I was quoting someone else, but I have the same answer as you:P
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Posted 11/23/12
I think the high prices of the dvds are what's hurting the industry, not pirating.
Also, is changing your vhs tapes into a dvd considered pirating ? I'm not going to sell it or anything I just wanna know cause i have a lot of anime on vhs but no vcr to play them in. If i try to buy them in their dvd form they would cost me about 20 to 30 dollars each and i don't have that kind of money.
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Posted 11/23/12
maybe it contributed a little, but the main problem with companies like that is that they don't market their prouducts enough.
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Posted 11/23/12
Sitting in a small room at a con watching an anime that someone had just brought back from Japan that very morning which they were translating on the fly. You couldn't get fresher than that.

Border's collapse, miscalculating what would be popular, avoiding the Japanese porn uproar, the economy, the time it took to get product to market, and piracy were all factors in the industries' struggles here. It might be called a "perfect storm" of problems.
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Posted 11/23/12
In general no idea... But based on people I do know I'd say Anime and Manga has profittet from piracy... I would be a paying member here without it... Same goes for some of my friends :)

Those not paying... Well they wouldn't watch if not for piracy since that's the only option other than crunchy here in Denmark we know of... Other than buying the dvd's, but even that can be hard and again they wouldn't even have heard of it without piracy So no money lost there

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Posted 11/23/12 , edited 11/23/12
All of companies mention had other, arguably more substantial problems. Geneon for example, lost a lot of their major distribution contracts.
It can't be easy to maintain revenue when the service you provide is likely to be brought in house as it was when Geneon lost Viz and Funimation.

Point being, I believe piracy played a negligible role. The only reason fan subs gain any traction was because of the policies and practices of the major distributors. They were slow with licensing, slow to bring content to market, and they charged a premium.



I don't see why people just don't legally watch it on crunchyroll. It's only £5 a month, and they are even offering a method such as CR Bucks to get it for free!


Some places it's not an option because the rights holder still insist on geographic restrictions, even on streaming, which is just ensuring piracy. It fine if you're in a major market like the U.S, U.K, or Canada etc you'll probably have little trouble with restrictions.
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Posted 11/23/12
I think that they will still depend on physical sales though it would be harder.
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Posted 11/24/12
I think the fact that a lot of anime companies rely on expensive boxed sets for their big source of income is a main problem. They expect to sell low amounts of expensive merchandise rather than cheaper costs but more products sold. piracy contributed but this marketing philosophy was the main reason a lot of companies went under.
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Posted 11/24/12

olebull1 wrote:

I think the fact that a lot of anime companies rely on expensive boxed sets for their big source of income is a main problem. They expect to sell low amounts of expensive merchandise rather than cheaper costs but more products sold. piracy contributed but this marketing philosophy was the main reason a lot of companies went under.


Exactly. They are just way overpriced and not worth it.

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Posted 11/24/12
I don't think people should stop pirating, but I do think people should pay for the Anime, especially if they want an ongoing series to continue, it does cost to produce.
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Posted 11/24/12
I believe that the piracy that has been done has helped the anime industry as a whole more than hurt it. Now that being said I don't mean to say it hasn't done harm, but just that it has done more good for exposure than it has bad for sales. I remember growing up on Dragon Ball Z on a VHS from a friend who's dad was stationed in Okinawa and the Scifi channel's Saturday morning Anime (Record of Lodoss Wars, Venus Wars, Akira). Don't get me wrong these are classics, but America was SOOOO behind when it came to what was actually new. I mean good luck finding a store that sold New Type, or anime in general. So when Napster and then torrents and what not came into existence it made life a lot easier for people like myself to see anime that we had NO and I mean NO! access to otherwise. Most people don't realize that until recently most anime did not leave japan's shores so it was never viewed in the states or else where. So as a person who has done it in the distant past yes it helped expose me to anime that i bought because i loved it. That being said once i found CR i haven't looked back one time. I would rather pay and support the people than feel like I'm stealing from them. I love what they do and appreciate it greatly, it is beautiful art.
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Posted 11/24/12
the companies that are still around today were around a decade ago as well, they just adapted. charging $30 for a DVD with 4 episodes on it, with that the only way to obtain it legally... it was only a matter of time before people would just download it. now you can get most in box sets of 13+ episodes for $40-50, AND you can also pay for streaming subscriptions.

but there will always be people who will pirate anime anyway, because there's a lot of anime that never makes it outside of Japan if it's not downloaded. not to mention the slow release of licenced anime. it often times takes a year or more after airing in Japan for a show to be released in the US.
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