Do you think hoarding is a legitimate concern or its just whining?
Posted 9/12/12 , edited 9/12/12
I know that hoarding shows were popular a long time ago , but I never got into it. I bring this question up cause im talking to a friend about it cause he knows some game collectors , he was arguing that a guy had a ton of anxiety because he owned to many things and I was arguing that he was trying place all his problems on his possessions and trying to shift responsibility .

I know theres ton of shows about this sort of subject , what just bothers me I feel like people try to place the blame on something else( their hoarding) rather than their own actual psychological issues and that they are avoiding responsibility for their problems. Recent years i just think magnifying a first world problem such as hoarding undermines people with real problems like people with cancer and aids , or people who live in starvation in poor nations. But somewhere some guys is complaining that he OWNS TO MANY THINGS. People are so frail and scared these days they need to find problems in their own home. I feel like these people don't have a spine , because once they leave their home what if they encounter an actual real problem?
Posted 9/13/12
Most hoarders are people with psychological trauma and collecting/holding onto things from the past
is the way they cope and get "lost" in their own world. literally.

To us it looks like a mangled machine of mess but to them it is their heaven.
That show hoarders is a good show but it focuses more on the physical horror
of what hoarding can become and they don't spend enough time trying to fix
the internal problem.

I pity those people.
Posted 11/3/12
It's a severe sickness.
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It's a true illness, and it's very bad.
There's a house I had to go into once, had to walk sideways through the rows and rows of old newspapers and magazines :/
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Arkthethird wrote:But somewhere some guys is complaining that he OWNS TO MANY THINGS. People are so frail and scared these days they need to find problems in their own home. I feel like these people don't have a spine , because once they leave their home what if they encounter an actual real problem?



This attitude is a tad disgusting. That isn't what hoarding is. To begin, it is generally not the hoarder that seeks help but the hoarder's family members. A hoarder isn't someone who is "complaining that he owns too many things". It is someone who's hoarding of material goods is causing a health or safety hazard. Dead animals, feces, rotten food, molding clothes and floorboards, too much mass in certain parts of the house causing the foundation to crumble, etc. are all things that are common with hoarders.

It is caused by a range of mental illnesses including PTSD, OCD, manic depression, etc. (often occurring in comorbidity).

Hoarding often occurs in tandem with agoraphobia but they aren't the same thing. Hoarders often lead productive lives outside of their home. Many don't, obviously, especially in severe cases.

You seem to have a naive understanding of the world, which isn't a negative thing, but a willingness to learn rather than judge (which is all your post seemed to accomplish) will you much further in life.
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Posted 11/3/12
its funny.
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My mother, as a youth lived in extreme poverty before she was married. They had no running water, no electricity, no bathroom, minimal "food", donated clothing, no car, no heat/air conditioning, no TV, no radio, no washer, no dryer, no stove, no phone.....They cooked on an open fire, used leaves for TP, drank plain black coffee as a beverage (they worked for a coffee plantation owner), occasionally stole food or foraged for it, lived in a wood shack with a tin roof and unscreened windows and only received a supposedly 8th grade education (but I suspect it was much lower, due to her ignorance).

Now she lives better than I do, although she never did educate herself other than learn to speak English. Her "sickness" is that she hoards food. She lives alone, and doesn't entertain, but she has 2 food pantries and a large refrigerator PACKED with so much food they do not keep cold properly or have difficulty closing. She still thinks she's poor although she makes more than I do, has less expenses, and no longer has dependents. She keeps buying food to the point she has multiple items of the same thing and also keeps REALLY old food. Once I saw something that was 8yrs expired! I make sure to never to eat anything at her house because the food is improperly stored (not cold enough) or old. God, once I was visiting and tried to eat a package of ramen thinking it was safe..... OMG really bad, really stale, really old ramen. Never again.

I think that is why I always had digestive problems (of all sorts) when I lived with her. Probably food poisoning .. I've never felt sick since moving out on my own.
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To us it looks like a mangled machine of mess but to them it is their heaven.
That show hoarders is a good show but it focuses more on the physical horror
of what hoarding can become and they don't spend enough time trying to fix
the internal problem.
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Oh someone bumped up this old topic , but oh well. Im much more concerned with internal problems myself rather than the focus the physical problems. Its amazing they can use the physical items as drama for television. This is where that shifting responsibility thing comes in , I rather they focus on the psychological issues , rather than shifting things to physical items. You think if the hoarder got rid of his stuff everything psychologically is fixed overnight? No of course not. I just dont like the focus on the physical , where its obviously a internal fix thats needed , they have actual problems rather than their collection of things.

But I cant tell you how many times I saw post where some guy talks about his video game collection was keeping him from leading a normal life , he blamed his loneliness , nerdiness and lack of social skills on his video games. He starts believing all the things he sees on teleivions and comes to the conclusion that hes a hoarder and he should stop. So you eventually always got some blow out from the game collector community on a forum where some guy sells off his video game collection cause hes threw with it. But it didnt exactly change that person , he was the same guy after he sold his things off , the real problem was he just couldnt get his life together he was free of his ''burden'' supposedly. But yet theres plenty of people who collect video games who live regular and normal lives. So I personally like to read the depressing news , war , famine , disease and all those wonderful and nice things so... I cant help but see a contrast there.
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Actual clinical hoarding in the form of OCD and not someone who just has a hobby of collecting is a real legitimate concern because it often results in neglecting home upkeep... which can result in a lot of health hazards and can actually get your house taken away. Yes it afflicts privileged people of the first world(but also those without much money, thus the compulsive desire to hold onto what little you find) but that doesn't change the fact that it's a real issue that can't simply be willed away upon realizing your privilege in life. Like no one is going to look at their house full of beanie babies that have mold and rat feces surrounding them and think "wow there's starving children and an AIDS epidemic, time to stop being a hoarder."
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Posted 11/3/12
Some people really do have a problem with being pack rats.But its just a psychological disorder really. I hoard food....lol I love food.
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Arkthethird wrote:
You think if the hoarder got rid of his stuff everything psychologically is fixed overnight? No of course not. I just dont like the focus on the physical , where its obviously a internal fix thats needed , they have actual problems rather than their collection of things.
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I said that people with psychological issues need a internal fix.


bingo666 Like no one is going to look at their house full of beanie babies that have mold and rat feces surrounding them and think "wow there's starving children and an AIDS epidemic, time to stop being a hoarder."


My remark was about entitled collectors , not about people with psychological issues.


Arkthethird wrote:
But I cant tell you how many times I saw post where some guy talks about his video game collection was keeping him from leading a normal life , he blamed his loneliness , nerdiness and lack of social skills on his video games. He starts believing all the things he sees on teleivions and comes to the conclusion that hes a hoarder and he should stop. So you eventually always got some blow out from the game collector community on a forum where some guy sells off his video game collection cause hes threw with it. But it didnt exactly change that person , he was the same guy after he sold his things off , the real problem was he just couldnt get his life together he was free of his ''burden'' supposedly. But yet theres plenty of people who collect video games who live regular and normal lives. So I personally like to read the depressing news , war , famine , disease and all those wonderful and nice things so... I cant help but see a contrast there.











Posted 11/3/12


Both of you have some good points in your argument..
I'm kind of a hoarder myself..but not to the extreme..
I hoard school supplies, movies and anime shows..
Of course I have a purpose of doing so.. I'm actually the kind of person who buys a bulk for a month..
Anyway for me it's okay to be a hoarder as long as it doesn't go to the extreme
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I find that hoarding seems to be associated many times with unresolved grief and a loss that hasn't been dealt with. It is definitely a psychological disorder, and can be quite overwhelming, and they have deep attachments to their things, and it can be quite isolating and shameful to the person when it is revealed.
I have a lot of empathy for them..
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My remark was about entitled collectors , not about people with psychological issues.


Oh, ok. Yeah people really need to stop using the term "hoarder" to describe immature materialists. It's really marginalizing and the same thing as calling someone who separates their spoons from their forks as "ocd"


Chances are though that the people you're describing do suffer from some kind of social anxiety. It's also not fair to immediately discount every person who shows signs of being a hoarder or self-identifies as one as simply being irresponsible.
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