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I watched Nisenmonogatari and enjoyed it, as well I'm sure many others have but because there is a naked 500 year old with the body of an 8 year old taking a bath with a teenager, are we all pedophiles now? I can't stand real children so fear not the person whos taste in anime differs from yours. I have no mental disorder other than the fact that I'd love to go through life never having to work again.

Sick people will be sick, normal people will have their fun and that's where it ends with not a single human being harmed. If that's is too hard grasp then I don't know what to tell you. It's like claiming all Islamic people are potential suicide bombers, its a ridiculous and gross generalization.


EXACTLY what this person said. i call myself a lolicon because 90 percent of my favorite anime characters are lolis. a large amount of them have numerous fanservicy moments, and sometimes i find it quite cute/funny (such as any scene with hachikuji in bakemonogatari.) i have never once had any intention of harming a child, as it's just plain wrong. i'm not a peophile, but i like lolis alot.

as far as echi goes, it needs to be done well. "green green" gets a 1/10 from me, because it's pure, pointless fanservice that may as well have just gone full hentai, and would have still sucked because there's really no point to the sex other than people wanting sex. "koe de oshigoto" has a reason to have the naughty scenes other than just making its characters being horny, it seemed well done, and gets a 9/10, only losing a point because it takes them so long to make an episode, but that's a good thing because they put so much effort into each episode.
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Liahna wrote:

"In Japan, the term describes an attraction to underage girls (whether prepubescent, pubescent, or post-pubescent)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon

So many pervs in this forum. Someone call the FBI please.

That last I checked, being perverted wasn't illegal (although acting on it often is).

If you read around, you'll find many people don't use the term "otaku" as it is used in Japan; likewise with "lolicon", where many people only apply it to involvement of 2D characters.



A question for everyone, and a bit off tangent. Since it is an abbreviation of "lolita complex", why is is "lolicon" and not "lolicom"?

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Posted 2/6/13
pretty sure it was explained in an anime somewhere...
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I absolutely try to avoid Anime that involve

-Robots
-Female casts
-Outdated animation styles (DBZ, Yu-Yu Hakusho)


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Posted 2/6/13

TheAncientOne wrote:
That last I checked, being perverted wasn't illegal (although acting on it often is).

If you read around, you'll find many people don't use the term "otaku" as it is used in Japan; likewise with "lolicon", where many people only apply it to involvement of 2D characters.



A question for everyone, and a bit off tangent. Since it is an abbreviation of "lolita complex", why is is "lolicon" and not "lolicom"?



I wonder if it is simply because it sounds weird to abbreviate it as com. Lolicom sounds awkward if the word is directed at someone or something. Calling someone or something lolicon flows better, then again this is all just conjecture my part.
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Well after seeing a few commets where they openly say that they like loli it's hard to believe that they know what they are talking about. And yeah i don't think they will agree with me. "It is an anime, is not real". I think all pedophiles are mentally ill, and as a person with a mental disorder they are likely to lose all sense of reality at some point. Note that in the anime industry there is not much control over this matter.

I'm not saying all of them are pedophiles, just seems that they do not know much of what they are talking about. I like childrens and i think they are cute too, but i'm not a lolicon and i don't think is good and normal.


Take a look at this page(It is a profile of a Pedophile)

http://crime.about.com/od/sex/p/pedophile.htm

I wonder whether it is harmful or not.


I watched Nisenmonogatari and enjoyed it, as well I'm sure many others have but because there is a naked 500 year old with the body of an 8 year old taking a bath with a teenager, are we all pedophiles now? I can't stand real children so fear not the person whos taste in anime differs from yours. I have no mental disorder other than the fact that I'd love to go through life never having to work again.

Sick people will be sick, normal people will have their fun and that's where it ends with not a single human being harmed. If that's is too hard grasp then I don't know what to tell you. It's like claiming all Islamic people are potential suicide bombers, its a ridiculous and gross generalization.


I never said that all otaku are pedophiles. I'm just saying that being a lolicon, taking into consideration the definition of the word, is not normal. I also love children and I think they are cute but that does not mean I'm a lolicon. The problem is that some animes sexualize the "loli". For a pedophile is like watching underage porn(legally).

And another thing i want to add, there are a lot of similarities between otakus and pedophiles like they child-like activities for example. So that makes me wonder if it's not a posibility that a pedophile is hiding in the otaku society, and again i'm not saying all otakus are like this i know some and i know they are "normal".
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I never said that all otaku are pedophiles. I'm just saying that being a lolicon, taking into consideration the definition of the word, is not normal. I also love children and I think they are cute but that does not mean I'm a lolicon. The problem is that some animes sexualize the "loli". For a pedophile is like watching underage porn(legally).

And another thing i want to add, there are a lot of similarities between otakus and pedophiles like they child-like activities for example. So that makes me wonder if it's not a posibility that a pedophile is hiding in the otaku society, and again i'm not saying all otakus are like this i know some and i know they are "normal".


I wont say I don't understand your reasons, because I can, however it's the same flawed logic that Japanese use to stigmatize "otaku" as ready made criminals and deviants. The fact is the majority are normal people with a hobby that isn't socially or culturally acceptable to a greater portion of the population. Is lolicon a borderline topic? Sure I wont deny that it skirts the line of morality, but only personal morality as they are drawings and nothing more. You can't blame it for the actions of a sick person who has some of it, no more than you can blame guns for shooting people.

People always want to find something to blame for the actions of someone sick and it is a pointless exercise because whether or not lolicon exists or not a pedophile will still prey on children. Now if you can prove that everyone who watches loli will do harm then you have my attention but if not it's just a strange hobby that some people find enjoyment in and already sick people use as a stopgap.

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I think lolis are cute, can't help but to think "If i were in that anime, i wich she would have been my sister" or something. I don't feel any physical attraction to lolis at all.
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Sorry, but if you are going into and Ecchi or Loli anime not expecting themes involving ecchi and or loli, you are the one with the problem.
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It has flooded the industry as one of the few things which can make any money.

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I use to like ecchi but it became hella annoying as the years went by. It's so repetitive.
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I use to like ecchi but it became hella annoying as the years went by. It's so repetitive.


I read that, then I look at your icon lol
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I'd like to add that loli does not mean underage girls it means young looking girls no matter the age
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Liahna wrote:

I never said that all otaku are pedophiles. I'm just saying that being a lolicon, taking into consideration the definition of the word, is not normal. I also love children and I think they are cute but that does not mean I'm a lolicon. The problem is that some animes sexualize the "loli". For a pedophile is like watching underage porn(legally).

And another thing i want to add, there are a lot of similarities between otakus and pedophiles like they child-like activities for example. So that makes me wonder if it's not a posibility that a pedophile is hiding in the otaku society, and again i'm not saying all otakus are like this i know some and i know they are "normal".


I find it interesting how people can equate pedophiles and Otaku’s. This shows a certain degree of ignorance and I do not mean that in a derogative manner but rather just a reference to a general lack of knowledge.

Can there be pedophiles within the Otaku community…certainly. Just as there can be pedophiles within the police, your local place of worship and even your next door neighbor or the nice elderly man down the street that always waves while he’s tending his flower bed with his wife as you walk past. They can be anywhere and live any place. To say that there are mostly Otaku or to label Otaku as pedophiles without knowing them is plain and simple ignorance. It’s like saying every Jewish person is tight with money or every person with dark skin is good at sports or every Asian person is a kungfu master. They have a word for this and it’s called “stereotyping”.

In short it’s a means for people who don’t understand something to label it in a derogative manner or label it with some name which makes it appear inherently bad or displeasing to the masses. History has shown us that people shun that which they fear or don’t understand. Just look at the witch hunts or more recently the persecution of members of the gay\lesbian communities. It is far easier to point a finger and say “They are wrong and should be ostracized” than to take the time and try to understand that not all people are the same and that being different is alright.

Before anyone says it, I’m referring to understanding Otaku, not pedophiles. I own most Disney animated movies including The Little Mermaid, Beauty & The Beast and any number of others that have young animated (children) characters in them which I love to watch with my kids. Does that make me an Otaku or a pedophile? Maybe just the stuff from Japan qualifies? While Wikipedia definitions are great, they are created and edited by the general public. In short they are opinions. The masses rule and mob mentality reins supreme. Society says this must be how it is and the sheep follow along blindly.

In this day and age where the world it truly becoming a smaller place thanks to technology, we really should start learning to not stereotype that which we don’t know about. Rather than being told something is bad or good, see for yourself and make your own opinion on the matter. Be informed rather than herded to the views of society as a whole. Once you have your opinion then realize that it’s yours and that it I no more right or wrong than the next persons. If you want people to respect your opinion you must also learn to respect theirs...even if you disagree with it.


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Posted 2/25/13 , edited 2/25/13
Ecchi isn't a bad thing, It's how they use it that determines its quality.

For example, Ikkitousen promises fighting and tits. They got the tits part down, but the fight scenes suck ass. On top of that, the fanservice itself is terribly executed and always getting in the way of things making a terrible show even worse.

Another example is Strike Witches. Strike Witches is packed with fanservice. Panty shots, lolicon nudity, implied yuri, you name it. But what makes the show appealing to someone like me who doesn't like that sort of stuff? Well there's the world building, character development, the action scenes, the animation, the real life weaponry, the OST, the set pieces that put most mainstream anime to shame, I could go on forever.

Basically, Ikkitousen's fanservice ruins an already godawful show even more while the fanservice in Strike Witches never gets in the way of what makes the show good. But even if you did come for the T&A, Strike Witches has got you covered
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