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Posted 7/19/13 , edited 7/19/13
People may be able to have whatever fantasies they enjoy and call them preferences but some of them are just plain wrong to the public view. There will always be specific interests, such as loli, that are not well received and even triggering/offensive to some and that isn't something you should be trying to shed in a brighter light because perhaps you might really have a preference for something that is more or less immoral but you do indeed have an ability to contain it to simply your fantasies; still others, who absolutely can't see any appeal to it, shouldn't be told to stop feeling offended by it but rather that it's your own business and you won't convince them otherwise. In my case, I find loli disturbing because even if it is simply fake characters, it's sexualizing children whom are too naive to understand anything about advances/consent, but I understand people will continue to enjoy it and there's nothing I can do to change it. However, it shouldn't be made socially acceptable because it may indeed start presenting as a proper behavior outside of fantasies, showing that actually manipulating a young child into such a relationship is ethical.

TLDR; Having unethical preferences do not make you a bad person if you know how to contain your desires to your fantasy and understand the issues with it, but trying to make them socially acceptable is quite flawed.
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Who the hell dislikes things that are utterly adorable? I'll agree that it's a little too sexual sometimes, but I honestly doubt most people get legitimately turned on by loli's. The virtue of loli's are their overwhelming cuteness, not their sexual prowess. If you're put off by it, I might argue that you've got your head in the gutter just by considering it. My knee-jerk reaction to most loli's is "THAT'S FUCKING ADORABLE!" not "I'd hit that." If your first thoughts about loli's are sexual, then I could see why you might be put off. On the other hand, I can also see why the thought that there's someone that finds it arousing is distasteful. However, the fact that sock fetishes exist never enter my mind when I get dressed, so I'm a bit critical of that reasoning.

Ecchi is a bit harder to argue, but the best thing I can come up with is that looking at pretty things is nice. Technically speaking, a picture of a sunset or a beautiful landscape doesn't add anything to the plot, but for some reason, that's not a problem. The idea is to add to the atmosphere, and in that respect, I believe that ecchi can often provide some tension to an otherwise unassuming situation. With out backing myself up, I'll just say that I've seen ecchi done really well -- it can give you a taste of what a character might be feeling, and add to the romantic tension that's already there. I've also seen it done at just really really terrible moments, but that's a matter of execution. Plus, there's the somewhat obvious point that nice bodies are pleasurable to look at, but that's almost entirely subjective, so I'll leave that out for now. I could probably speak a lot more on the topic, but I need to get to bed, so I'll leave it there for now.


That's funny you would compare sock fetishes to being aroused by children because one of them harms no one and is something most likely kept confined to the person while the other leads to many cases of abuse and trauma and is something not very uncommonly heard of in the news. The fact is that loli is short for lolicon which refers to sexual attraction to underage girls. If you simply enjoyed children in the sense of their childish and cute behaviors and felt no sense of sexual attraction to them, that is not considered lolicon nor the purpose of most lolis in anime who usually behave in provocative manners because the sole reason a child is even deemed a loli in anime is because they are sexualized.
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That's funny you would compare sock fetishes to being aroused by children because one of them harms no one and is something most likely kept confined to the person while the other leads to many cases of abuse and trauma and is something not very uncommonly heard of in the news.


Whether or not it harms anyone is irrelevant to whether sexual thoughts enter my mind when I see cute kids, and whether sexual thoughts enter my mind when I see socks -- which is the grounds I was comparing them on. I wasn't arguing that it's good or bad based on the fact that it can be compared to socks. I was explaining whether or not seeing it affects my view of the show based on the fact that it makes me think of distasteful things -- which, much like socks, it does not.

Either way, I'd argue that child abusers/molesters would abuse/molest without anime, but that's a different argument from my stance on loli -- I'll leave it for later. It could also act as an outlet for people that would otherwise have no way to get their "fix," so to speak, but I'm well aware that this is a terrible argument with probably no evidence to back it -- it's more just a thought. Either way, people thinking about harming doesn't actually do any harm, and watching the same harm animated also does nobody harm. One might argue that someone that fantasizes about killing their boss is more likely to do it, but any way I look at it, there's no way that fantasizing about killing your boss implies that you will do it. I'd argue the same is true of lolicon.


The fact is that loli is short for lolicon which refers to sexual attraction to underage girls. If you simply enjoyed children in the sense of their childish and cute behaviors and felt no sense of sexual attraction to them, that is not considered lolicon nor the purpose of most lolis in anime who usually behave in provocative manners because the sole reason a child is even deemed a loli in anime is because they are sexualized.


Fair enough -- I'll grant this. With this definition of loli, I'll agree with you. I was under the impression that a lolicon is the type of person that "loves" kid-ish characters, both in the sexual and non-sexual sense. Most of the "lolis" I've seen in the sexual sense have been teenagers with "kid-ish" bodies, and the non-sexual sense happens all the time -- most often it's lumped in with the character that just loves cute things:
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Lately i have been using MaL a lot when watching anime, and if an anime is ranked high i wll watch it. Even if it has lolis and ecchiness, if the plot sounds interesting and it's high ranked i would go for it. Still ecchi at the very least ain't my first go to anime.
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Posted 7/19/13
more loli pls. that is all
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Posted 7/19/13
loliss?

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Posted 7/19/13
and here I thought we managed to bury this thread
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Posted 12/3/13
^ nope because i'm bored
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Posted 12/3/13
^ this guy.... smh
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Posted 12/3/13
^ rawr!
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Posted 12/6/13
man, I can't wait to get out of work. only 10 more minutes...
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Posted 12/6/13 , edited 12/6/13
Who cares if a person likes loli and wants to see 'stuff' happen to them. As long as there not doing it to actually children. It can float my boat as for ecchi. I can be hit or miss. It can't be over used.
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Posted 12/6/13

AnimeKami wrote:

^ nope because i'm bored


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Yeah they make me ignore the series... I don't like that stuff. Not a fan of moe either.

Blood and gore on the other hand..
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What's a ecchi and a loli? I read the op but it wasn't clear on what these things are. I would read through the thread, but i'm too lazy.
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