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Not liking it doesn't make you a prude. Me not being into GL/BL doesn't make me a homophobe.
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Gafennec wrote:


Well_Spoken_Man wrote:
It's not strictly a western thing though, as continental Europe tends to have a pretty indifferent attitude towards bare breasts. It's mostly an Anglo-American thing. The notion that the female form is inherently indecent appears to be deeply rooted in that culture for reasons I've never really understood.


I believe a lot of it can be laid at the door of the influence on the US/Common Wealth by the Puritan and radical Protestant movements. Where sex became a duty (to reproduce) and not something to enjoy. So to reduce temptation they introduced a lot of modesty measures. So the injunction to 'Go forth and multiply' became 'Go forth and multiply, but do not have any fun doing so'. Also I believe that the desires to make sex a duty also stems from a desire to lessen the animal passions in humans.

But to the Ecchi/Loli thing. I don't mind Ecchi if the story is good such as in High School DxD. Of which it is one of the few shows I really hate with a passion a lot of the dubbing for the male cast. On the loli thing; I don't understand it to tell the truth. . Underage never did anything for me, but then again I tend to like characters based on personality anyways. Just my .000002 cents worth and worth less than 1/1,000,000 of what you paid for it.


I've seen arguments for it going back even further, to the roots of Christianity. The argument saying that Women in general were not considered by the early church to be of value and were thought to be inherently evil. This being the reason why women were excluded from being clerics and sex was not allowed in the church hierarchy. My problem with both of those reasons isn't that I doubt that they were true at the time. It's that they don't really explain the persistence in these attitudes. There are any number of things that were taboo in the 17th century and before that are no longer issues in modern society. I've just never understood why the aversion to breasts didn't fade out with so many other biases and prejudices that have long been abandoned or even flipped (in the sense that holding those ideas are now considered taboo in themselves).


kadmos1 wrote:

Not liking it doesn't make you a prude. Me not being into GL/BL doesn't make me a homophobe.


That depends on why you don't like "it" (whatever specific it you are talking about here) There is casual indifference and there is active dislike. If you actively dislike it (ecchi, yaoi, yuri, etc) because you find it disgusting and are repulsed by it, then yes it is likely that you are some kind of "phobe." If you find it uninteresting and you avoid such material because they are not to your taste, then you are most likely not a "phobe."
Whether you are or not is your own business. That's not really what was being discussed anyway.
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Well_Spoken_Man wrote:

I've seen arguments for it going back even further, to the roots of Christianity. The argument saying that Women in general were not considered by the early church to be of value and were thought to be inherently evil. This being the reason why women were excluded from being clerics and sex was not allowed in the church hierarchy. My problem with both of those reasons isn't that I doubt that they were true at the time. It's that they don't really explain the persistence in these attitudes. There are any number of things that were taboo in the 17th century and before that are no longer issues in modern society. I've just never understood why the aversion to breasts didn't fade out with so many other biases and prejudices that have long been abandoned or even flipped (in the sense that holding those ideas are now considered taboo in themselves).
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Actually I think you can trace the roots of 'no women in the priesthood' back to the Jewish faith if not longer. But comparative religion is not my strong suit. I'm more a military historian/political science (modern - ACW and later). Taboos.mores are hard to break and I think the no breast/sex thing stems from periodic revivalism that sweeps the US in an effort to 'go back to the good ole days of morality'. In reality the US in some ways is 4 countries under one roof. You got the NE, SE, SW/Midwest/Central and West coast ways of thinking. Each one greatly affected by the types of immigrants, industry, living conditions, etc., etc. When I did my Master's thesis I noted how the NE was mass transit friendly whereas the south was car friendly. Despite the fact that in the Atlanta area the phrase 'You can't get there from here' seems to have been specifically devised. Anyways I am wandering off topic. But I think there will be a point in the US when naked breasts can be shown without the titillation factor. It will just need to be a community standard set that will gather enough support across all sections of the US society.
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