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Is it ok to watch an Anime that's not available to watch legally?
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Posted 10/3/12 , edited 10/7/12
By this I mean that Crunchyroll can't obtain every anime as well as funimation for the season, so therefore some titles are left out and so I turn to fansubbers cus that's the only way to watch it. However I am all for it if the anime does get released on DVD and Blu-ray or if at some point it ends up on Crunchyroll eventually like with Ano Hana.
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Posted 10/3/12 , edited 10/3/12
If your question is about whether or not its ethical to watch, that's completely up to you to decide.
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Posted 10/3/12
Yeah i think the same way. I'l try my hardest to find a legal way to watch a show but when its not possible i end up having to fansub it. Then when/if the show gets put on crunchy or gets picked up by a UK dist i'l go out and buy it. its hard though as the UK anime ind is pretty shit. I dont think fansubbing is that bad though. If it weren't for them i would've never have heard of half the titles i've watched thus far. It gives exposure to a product oustside of japan(all be it the wrong way)and if it were'nt for that exposure i would have never of bought any of the related merch.

I know this is probably the wrong way to go about it, but when you've got companies that dont want to release titles oversea until they've exhausted their local territory and impatient fans what can you do. Anyway that just what i think about it. Im sure someone here will be along shortly to correct me haha
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Posted 10/3/12
If you want to watch an anime that is 20 years old and you can't find it on dvd, can't find it on any legal stream site.
Just watch it illegally, geez.
It's not your fault that they stopped producing dvds for it.
The Wise Wizard
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Posted 10/3/12
I'm not going to leap to condemn anyone for pirating an anime when their only legal recourse is to wait until the discs ship in Japan, and then pay to import those.

OTOH, I have little tolerance for people that have a reasonable legal means of obtaining a show, but start throwing out the excuses to watch a fansub.

When I stopped watching fansubs back in July 2010, I didn't rule out watching them entirely, and eventually settled on allowing myself to watch them if the series went unlicensed in the United States for 5 years. While I have yet to actually exercise that option (more than enough legal anime to keep me occupied), it is nice to have a defined self-policy.

I think the key is that if you watch a fansub, and the material later becomes legally available, define a policy for yourself on what you are going to do. If it is a stream, will you watch it again? If it is on disc, will you buy it or at least rent it?
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I'm a follower of the logic, "If I can't get it legally, then I'll get it how I can." I don't really have any problems with fansubs as a practice, due to the fact that it allows viewing things that other wise couldn't be viewed at all. Hell, the show doesn't even have to be unlicensed to count. If I could find Digimon Adventure on DVD or on a stream, I would pay for it, but it's impossible as far as I've found, so fansubs do the trick. (Yes, I know I can find dubs on the internet, but those aren't streams, just uploads of tv rips so they are in the same boat as fansubs.)

All and all, if it can't be found, then fansubs are fine. If you can find it, and do like it, support the show in some way. Buy the DVDs or watch it streaming. At the very least, buy some official merchandise.
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Posted 10/3/12 , edited 10/3/12
i have trouble on this subject to, i try, as much as possibly to allow myself to only watch legal sources.. HOWEVER there have been a few occasions, when ether i cant find a series, i dont have the money for it ,or this really annoys me, no matter where i look, Netflix, crunchy rolls, or even the series distributes own streaming section their website i just cannot find it( ,living in Canada has disadvantages, the size of the Anime section on Netflix Canada is horrendously LAUGHABLE, and we don't get access to a lot of streaming services like Hulu without cheating and manipulating our IP' addresses), so sometimes if i REALLY want to watch portions of a series which i simply cannot get access too, i will but Crunchy rolls is still my primary source for my Anime. so i don't thinks it s a horribly thing to do, AS LONG as its done in moderation, not all the time.
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23 / M / Ribeirão Preto/BR
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Posted 10/3/12
if i don´t have a legal way to watch a anime , can a watch via fansub , because a lot of animes here aren´t available in south america
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Posted 10/3/12
Really? seriously really...

I'd like to make a claim before I type something...

The thread is a question pertaining to the morals and ethics of a person who is questioning the core of what is moral and ethical.

Typing "ethics" is the bases for this thread, really mod really??

Should I have typed " ethics [please write a longer comment] " ??????????????

/end

What people think is right or wrong is very subjective, what you think is right or what I think is right is based on different things.
I'd turn to relative scale if you're comparing what is right or what isn't. Needless to say it isn't ok to watch the anime why? Well laws/consequences prevent us from doing something that a majority or something written on a piece of paper said is wrong.
In which we have adapted to think that if we do something wrong something will happen to us.

I personally have a low ethical view on watching anime that isn't legally obtained, why? well it is really hard to give a damn when
there are plenty of other things to give a damn about. This simply isn't that high on my ethical views/standpoint. I do however
have a high ethical view on supporting anime/manga in other ways is beneficial.

Profits must be made, it just doesn't have to come from one source.

hey mod delete this post....... if you consider this spam, though I think it'll get edited.

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Posted 10/3/12
most people do not like illegal stuff but they do it when they are poor (like poor that they cannot afford or that they are poor in terms of not having access to the enjoyment others are getting) so ye fansubs is a solution for poor people
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Posted 10/3/12 , edited 10/3/12
I have enough money to pay for my own anime, but I watch mostly subs because it seems only CR gets a few series here and there that are available for me. Furthermore, old animes are almost impossible to get legally too.

I have no other choice - therefore, fansubs.
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Posted 10/3/12 , edited 10/4/12
Doesn't faze me at all. I watch fansubs, everyone has. Most of the time the series that I want to watch can't be attained legally. The only problem with fansubs is that sometimes the quality or the actual subs suck but it does not happen most of the time. I am a student, sometimes..*cough* most of the time *cough*..I have no money to buy the anime or pay for a membership. That is just where I am in my life and it is the same thing happening with other people too.

Long story short, We like anime. If we can't find it legally..well hell...do something crazy LOL
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Posted 10/3/12
The whole "I can't afford that" spin doesn't really work well.

I watch it because it's there.
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Posted 10/3/12

pakola wrote:

I watch fansubs, everyone does.

I'm guessing you missed my message where I stated I quit watching fansubs in July 2010 (Note your message says "does", not "has").

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Posted 10/3/12

TheAncientOne wrote:

I'm not going to leap to condemn anyone for pirating an anime when their only legal recourse is to wait until the discs ship in Japan, and then pay to import those.

OTOH, I have little tolerance for people that have a reasonable legal means of obtaining a show, but start throwing out the excuses to watch a fansub.

When I stopped watching fansubs back in July 2010, I didn't rule out watching them entirely, and eventually settled on allowing myself to watch them if the series went unlicensed in the United States for 5 years. While I have yet to actually exercise that option (more than enough legal anime to keep me occupied), it is nice to have a defined self-policy.

I think the key is that if you watch a fansub, and the material later becomes legally available, define a policy for yourself on what you are going to do. If it is a stream, will you watch it again? If it is on disc, will you buy it or at least rent it?


I follow a similar policy regarding yet ot be licensed anime series. But I find getting a subscription a bit cheaper than buying a complete boxset for a specific series. So far I have a Funimation Elite Subscriptions and CR Premium Membership, I might in the future get an Anime Network Subscription but for now CR and Funimation are enough at this time.

I usually give the unlicense series some time(about a month) to before I resort to fansub, even then if I'm already watching over 20 series a week I might wait longer. There are a few series that later find available on iTunes which I ten to get, depending on the quality of the english dub. One series in particular, B Gata H Kei, was a series that first watched with fansubs, then later watched on funimation/hulu, sometime after that I found the series on iTunes, I managed to get/buy a couple of episodes there.

So is it okay to watch anime that are not available to watch legally? I would say no but with some support either monetary or simply just re-watching it legally when available then I would say it isn't a problem.
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Posted 10/4/12 , edited 10/4/12
CR doesn't have everything I want to watch.
FUNI blocks their youtube vids in my country, so they probably block their vids on the site for me too.
So F the licensers for being retarded and blocking animes in some countries. It's NOT weird that people choose to go the illegal way when licensers do that!
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