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The series is good period.Its scary to think they would use that to screen out potential unstable people. But that poor girl who got kidnapped almost got killed because she broke down.The gun should have known that but that is a flaw of the system


I was actually annoyed at that point.. ruined the serious tone of the show for me when it's heavily implied that Sibyl's such a wishy washy system and it has been adapted by a whole City.. I sure hope the whole country hasn't.

I'll still watch ofc.. hopefully the show has good justification (conspiracy, etc.) for using such a system.

Half of me feels like forgiving the show though.. it's still anime.. and even multi million movies have plot holes xD

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FLjerry2011 wrote:

The series is good period.Its scary to think they would use that to screen out potential unstable people. But that poor girl who got kidnapped almost got killed because she broke down.The gun should have known that but that is a flaw of the system


I was actually annoyed at that point.. ruined the serious tone of the show for me when it's heavily implied that Sibyl's such a wishy washy system and it has been adapted by a whole City.. I sure hope the whole country hasn't.

I'll still watch ofc.. hopefully the show has good justification (conspiracy, etc.) for using such a system.

Half of me feels like forgiving the show though.. it's still anime.. and even multi million movies have plot holes xD



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I am also forgiving the show for now, hoping they will start to question the system as a theme.
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Posted 10/28/12
Good action, but pretty simplistic mystery in this ep.

There are plot holes to everything, but I don't think the ones in this show are that awful. I expect the entire countryside is pretty well connected, but even if it were not, there are ways around that, as shown in this ep.

I was a little put off that they used "anechoic" incorrectly. The building is really a Faraday Cage, not an anechoic chamber. I'd also have to disagree with Ginoza: only a fool believe that they only need to learn from history.

Akane's smirk at the factory chief was awesome. :)

Kougami is up to something, but we knew that from the start.
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Good action, but pretty simplistic mystery in this ep.

There are plot holes to everything, but I don't think the ones in this show are that awful. I expect the entire countryside is pretty well connected, but even if it were not, there are ways around that, as shown in this ep.

I was a little put off that they used "anechoic" incorrectly. The building is really a Faraday Cage, not an anechoic chamber. I'd also have to disagree with Ginoza: only a fool believe that they only need to learn from history.

Akane's smirk at the factory chief was awesome. :)

Kougami is up to something, but we knew that from the start.


That one was simple. I hope it doesn't turn into a simple detective show but there are 22 episodes so there is room for development of a main arc I hope.

The plot holes aren't too bad but still better without them and without tech mistakes. Do some research people!
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I just watched Episode 3 and I will say it was good.Not only does this anime remind me of Bladerunner but also the Dirty Harry movies.

The OPs and Eds were cool. And EP 3 finally got down to it.Those guns can destroy any threat bio or machine.
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Just finished the first 3 episodes..... so sick. I haven't seen a good anime come out since Fairy Tail. This is sick so far I really like it. Kogo is a beast.
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In the last episode


I am also forgiving the show for now, hoping they will start to question the system as a theme.


That doesn't seem to be public knowledge. Our main character is clearly girl genius know it all and she seemed surprised by that tidbit.

the other consideration is would that even occur to people. Look at this world they live in; Virtual environments, holo-clothing, your diet carefully controlled and regulated and a computer that decides what you are going to do for a living. For most people they are plugged in for everything they do.

The idea of stepping outside the box probably doesn't even enter into most people's mind.

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Posted 10/29/12 , edited 10/29/12

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hpulley wrote:



In the last episode


I am also forgiving the show for now, hoping they will start to question the system as a theme.


That doesn't seem to be public knowledge. Our main character is clearly girl genius know it all and she seemed surprised by that tidbit.

the other consideration is would that even occur to people. Look at this world they live in; Virtual environments, holo-clothing, your diet carefully controlled and regulated and a computer that decides what you are going to do for a living. For most people they are plugged in for everything they do.

The idea of stepping outside the box probably doesn't even enter into most people's mind.



The bigger problem for me is that they imply that a government funded or run facility or any facility for that matter could be built without access to Sybil. The government would make a law requiring Sybil access everywhere and blocking or jamming it would be a major crime. Jamming your Pyscho Pass would let any Dominator kill you on the spot as it would assume you were a criminal. Think of the NSA today that demands back door access to everything. I can't imagine a dystopian big brother future world where a company could choose to turn that off. Why not let individuals opt out too?

Unfortunately all of this was needed for episode three to work. Episode three out of twenty two... Great setting, cool characters, great gun, all it needs is less contrived plot devices to be a great show IMO.
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The bigger problem for me is that they imply that a government funded or run facility or any facility for that matter could be built without access to Sybil. The government would make a law requiring Sybil access everywhere and blocking or jamming it would be a major crime. Jamming your Pyscho Pass would let any Dominator kill you on the spot as it would assume you were a criminal. Think of the NSA today that demands back door access to everything. I can't imagine a dystopian big brother future world where a company could choose to turn that off. Why not let individuals opt out too?

Unfortunately all of this was needed for episode three to work. Episode three out of twenty two... Great setting, cool characters, great gun, all it needs is less contrived plot devices to be a great show IMO.


I have to disagree. The Ministry of Economics(?) is in charge of the facility. It was explained that the different ministries have their own fiefdoms and are not allowed to intrude upon one another. If the MoE decided it was cheaper and more cost effective to lock out Sybil so that they could produce whatever they wanted without worrying about the workers, then they could do that. And they did. That's why the Public Safety division was being forced to rule that it was an accident. Only because Akane couldn't accept that did we uncover the truth.

So, long story short, ministries in the government can subvert Sybil. The question is how much and how often. I don't find that contrived at all.
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hpulley wrote:

The bigger problem for me is that they imply that a government funded or run facility or any facility for that matter could be built without access to Sybil. The government would make a law requiring Sybil access everywhere and blocking or jamming it would be a major crime. Jamming your Pyscho Pass would let any Dominator kill you on the spot as it would assume you were a criminal. Think of the NSA today that demands back door access to everything. I can't imagine a dystopian big brother future world where a company could choose to turn that off. Why not let individuals opt out too?

Unfortunately all of this was needed for episode three to work. Episode three out of twenty two... Great setting, cool characters, great gun, all it needs is less contrived plot devices to be a great show IMO.


I have to disagree. The Ministry of Economics(?) is in charge of the facility. It was explained that the different ministries have their own fiefdoms and are not allowed to intrude upon one another. If the MoE decided it was cheaper and more cost effective to lock out Sybil so that they could produce whatever they wanted without worrying about the workers, then they could do that. And they did. That's why the Public Safety division was being forced to rule that it was an accident. Only because Akane couldn't accept that did we uncover the truth.

So, long story short, ministries in the government can subvert Sybil. The question is how much and how often. I don't find that contrived at all.


I will have to watch it a third time to listen carefully to that part again. Economics over ruling security would be a change. Security usually rules all other departments in dystopian SF settings.
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hpulley wrote:


deadpanditto wrote:


hpulley wrote:

The bigger problem for me is that they imply that a government funded or run facility or any facility for that matter could be built without access to Sybil. The government would make a law requiring Sybil access everywhere and blocking or jamming it would be a major crime. Jamming your Pyscho Pass would let any Dominator kill you on the spot as it would assume you were a criminal. Think of the NSA today that demands back door access to everything. I can't imagine a dystopian big brother future world where a company could choose to turn that off. Why not let individuals opt out too?

Unfortunately all of this was needed for episode three to work. Episode three out of twenty two... Great setting, cool characters, great gun, all it needs is less contrived plot devices to be a great show IMO.


I have to disagree. The Ministry of Economics(?) is in charge of the facility. It was explained that the different ministries have their own fiefdoms and are not allowed to intrude upon one another. If the MoE decided it was cheaper and more cost effective to lock out Sybil so that they could produce whatever they wanted without worrying about the workers, then they could do that. And they did. That's why the Public Safety division was being forced to rule that it was an accident. Only because Akane couldn't accept that did we uncover the truth.

So, long story short, ministries in the government can subvert Sybil. The question is how much and how often. I don't find that contrived at all.


I will have to watch it a third time to listen carefully to that part again. Economics over ruling security would be a change. Security usually rules all other departments in dystopian SF settings.

Not in a Phillip K. Dick story! Economics overruling security is practically the theme of some of his work. Not that this is "Dick", but it is very "Dicki-sh". (OK, sue me, I had to get that pun in...) It is even more true for William Gibson! In his stories, the world is pretty much controlled by economic interests.

The key part is that they have to isolate the drones from tampering. That is a security issue. These drones, once unleashed on society, have to be trusted to be safe and not hijacked by someone to do harm.

The whole frat-boy/hazing atmosphere of the plant was creepy as hell, but mostly because of how close to reality it is in terms of human behavior. (Lord of the Flies is how old of a story?) The concept of having these workers totally isolated from society in order to prevent tampering with the drones is troublesome, though. If they explained it away by saying that they screen for people who are Luddites by nature or something, that might make sense. I guess the Sybil system does tell everyone what job they are suited for, so the story does cover that implicitly... Hmmmm... Not bad on that point I guess.

I agree that it would be best if the show doesn't turn into a "psychopath of the week" thing, but I don't think that will be a major issue,



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I am also forgiving the show for now, hoping they will start to question the system as a theme.




So far, this is one of my top shows of the season! I am a huge Phillip K. Dick fan, and also really like William Gibson, one of the other major influences. (Did you guys catch the name on the disc that the guy used to program the drones to kill?) And Akane is a great character! I hope it keeps up the intensity and doesn't fall short of the awesomeness it seems to promise!
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So far, this is one of my top shows of the season! I am a huge Phillip K. Dick fan, and also really like William Gibson, one of the other major influences. (Did you guys catch the name on the disc that the guy used to program the drones to kill?) And Akane is a great character! I hope it keeps up the intensity and doesn't fall short of the awesomeness it seems to promise!


Thought I had read enough Dick but apparently not. Thanks for the lesson.
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the artwork are really good. and i enjoy the serie
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Zensunni wrote:

So far, this is one of my top shows of the season! I am a huge Phillip K. Dick fan, and also really like William Gibson, one of the other major influences. (Did you guys catch the name on the disc that the guy used to program the drones to kill?) And Akane is a great character! I hope it keeps up the intensity and doesn't fall short of the awesomeness it seems to promise!


Me too! I haven't read as many of PKD's stories as I'd like, but I'm slowly catching up. :)

For non PKD fans: "The Minority Report" was written by PKD. He also wrote a short story called "The Eye of The Sibyl".
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hpulley wrote:

Thought I had read enough Dick but apparently not. Thanks for the lesson.


While you are right that much of Dick's work prominently featured the "Security State", many of them also featured an economic interest that was either in league with, or at odds with, that system. For instance, in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (the source story for "Blade Runner"), it is the greed of the corporations that are driving the colonization movement that is really driving things. Sure, the safety measures to prevent Androids from getting out of control are the issue that brings forth the strong themes of individuality and "what does it mean to be a person?", but it is the economic situation and monopoly control of the giant corporation that feeds the conflict.

In Minority Report, there is just as much intrusion into private lives by a corporate culture gone haywire as there is by a government trying to prevent crime before it happens. The intrusive, personalized advertisements that make use of retinal scanners are just as much a theme as the state overstepping its bounds to prevent murder. (I haven't read the short story, but in the movie at least, a member of the government is investigating the pre-crime unit that precipitates the events of the film.)

Total Recall and Paycheck both deal with corporate entities as much as with governmental ones...

The Japanese part of The Man in the High Castle is pretty much a corporate state, while the German side is a security state. It is another great story that I probably need to re-read to even begin to start understanding it!

A Scanner Darkly is probably the strongest one (and most recent read) that influenced my comments, as that world has very little governmental control. In that, the cops are basically fighting a losing battle against street drugs that have the backing of huge amounts of money that profit at both ends of the equation. (The real story, though, is the twisted mental torture that the lead character goes through. It is really an excellent story. The movie did a pretty good job with it, in my opinion.)

However, it is the Gibson influences that are the really strong corporations out-of-control source, really. Gibson's corporations are almost as out of control as Neil Stephenson's! (Not quite...)

Of course, it might be my personal predilection to notice cases of corporations out of control at work as well...
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