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Posted 10/29/12 , edited 10/29/12

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Thought I had read enough Dick but apparently not. Thanks for the lesson.


While you are right that much of Dick's work prominently featured the "Security State", many of them also featured an economic interest that was either in league with, or at odds with, that system. For instance, in "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" (the source story for "Blade Runner"), it is the greed of the corporations that are driving the colonization movement that is really driving things. Sure, the safety measures to prevent Androids from getting out of control are the issue that brings forth the strong themes of individuality and "what does it mean to be a person?", but it is the economic situation and monopoly control of the giant corporation that feeds the conflict.

In Minority Report, there is just as much intrusion into private lives by a corporate culture gone haywire as there is by a government trying to prevent crime before it happens. The intrusive, personalized advertisements that make use of retinal scanners are just as much a theme as the state overstepping its bounds to prevent murder. (I haven't read the short story, but in the movie at least, a member of the government is investigating the pre-crime unit that precipitates the events of the film.)

Total Recall and Paycheck both deal with corporate entities as much as with governmental ones...

The Japanese part of The Man in the High Castle is pretty much a corporate state, while the German side is a security state. It is another great story that I probably need to re-read to even begin to start understanding it!

A Scanner Darkly is probably the strongest one (and most recent read) that influenced my comments, as that world has very little governmental control. In that, the cops are basically fighting a losing battle against street drugs that have the backing of huge amounts of money that profit at both ends of the equation. (The real story, though, is the twisted mental torture that the lead character goes through. It is really an excellent story. The movie did a pretty good job with it, in my opinion.)

However, it is the Gibson influences that are the really strong corporations out-of-control source, really. Gibson's corporations are almost as out of control as Neil Stephenson's! (Not quite...)

Of course, it might be my personal predilection to notice cases of corporations out of control at work as well...


I've read and enjoyed much from all three of those authors and some contemporaries but in their worlds often companies are higher than governments, their influence and reach go beyond. Here we have branches of the same government so it feels different. And corporate security still seemed to trump all. I have so much Japanese reading to do, and I'm still slow at it so I don't have time to read much else but I must find time to reread some English SF as the well.
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Posted 10/29/12

hpulley wrote:

I've read and enjoyed much from all three of those authors and some contemporaries but in their worlds often companies are higher than governments, their influence and reach go beyond. Here we have branches of the same government so it feels different. And corporate security still seemed to trump all. I have so much Japanese reading to do, and I'm still slow at it so I don't have time to read much else but I must find time to reread some English SF as the well.


IMO, it's closer to the ministry structure and competition you see in "Ghost In The Shell". And, in this case, I'd say they are working a bit like zaibutsu, or at least the Ministry of Economics is.
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Well the latest episode was certainly weird...
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Well the latest episode was certainly weird...


And not in a good way... Hope the conclusion is better.
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Posted 11/1/12
@episode 5

what a Horror episode this week, this is clearly an episode for Halloween
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I actually liked this episode a lot. We've finally seen our main bad guy and what he's up to is very chilling. The pieces are starting to fit together in a very interesting way.
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Yes its indeed a Halloween type of episode.

and We finally see an antagonist in the same line as Dexter.

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I think we're getting a pretty clear picture of what kind of criminal thrives in the Psycho-Pass society: The Psychopath and the sociopath.

Think about it, if killing other people makes you calmer, then intent to do so would also make you calmer, and if you are totally incapable of human emotion, there isn't anything that will make your Psycho-Pass read high...
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Posted 11/3/12 , edited 11/3/12

Zensunni wrote:

I think we're getting a pretty clear picture of what kind of criminal thrives in the Psycho-Pass society: The Psychopath and the sociopath.

Think about it, if killing other people makes you calmer, then intent to do so would also make you calmer, and if you are totally incapable of human emotion, there isn't anything that will make your Psycho-Pass read high...


Flaw in the system or just unintended consequences?

I am still not feeling that I need to watch this show to the end. If I dropped it today I would be fine compared to some other fall shows where I would be dying to know what happens.

Anyone have a problem with the police not protecting Spooky Boogy after she helped to set up the Talisman? I did Not sure why I just have to pick nits with this show. I should drop it so I can stop bothering the rest of you who are obviously enjoying it more than I am. I had such high hopes for this show too...
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Anyone have a problem with the police not protecting Spooky Boogy after she helped to set up the Talisman? I did Not sure why I just have to pick nits with this show. I should drop it so I can stop bothering the rest of you who are obviously enjoying it more than I am. I had such high hopes for this show too...


Spooky Boogie never revealed herself to Akane, she only gave clues that they knew each other and where to potentially look.

Also, the show to may have started off slow, but its picking up a little steam. The next couple shows with the new antagonist should be pretty good.
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Posted 11/3/12 , edited 11/3/12

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hpulley wrote:


Anyone have a problem with the police not protecting Spooky Boogy after she helped to set up the Talisman? I did Not sure why I just have to pick nits with this show. I should drop it so I can stop bothering the rest of you who are obviously enjoying it more than I am. I had such high hopes for this show too...


Spooky Boogie never revealed herself to Akane, she only gave clues that they knew each other and where to potentially look


After replacing one online personality the thought never crossed her mind even to suggest that she be careful? Sigh...

Ok, I will stop being a downer in this thread... Over and out.
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Posted 11/4/12

hpulley wrote:


Zensunni wrote:

I think we're getting a pretty clear picture of what kind of criminal thrives in the Psycho-Pass society: The Psychopath and the sociopath.

Think about it, if killing other people makes you calmer, then intent to do so would also make you calmer, and if you are totally incapable of human emotion, there isn't anything that will make your Psycho-Pass read high...


Flaw in the system or just unintended consequences?

I am still not feeling that I need to watch this show to the end. If I dropped it today I would be fine compared to some other fall shows where I would be dying to know what happens.

Anyone have a problem with the police not protecting Spooky Boogy after she helped to set up the Talisman? I did Not sure why I just have to pick nits with this show. I should drop it so I can stop bothering the rest of you who are obviously enjoying it more than I am. I had such high hopes for this show too...

Akane never found out who she was. Sure, the cops probably could have, but probably not as quickly as the bad-guys got to her.
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Posted 11/4/12
I like the idea of the setting, it has its faults, but Akane's voice actor keeps me watching.

*enthralled*
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Posted 11/4/12 , edited 11/4/12

Zensunni wrote:

Akane never found out who she was. Sure, the cops probably could have, but probably not as quickly as the bad-guys got to her.


You don't think the offline meetup was a dangerous, bad idea? Sure, meet the killer, don't worry, we have Dominators and Enforcers so he won't get away, kill you and assume your online identity like he just did with Talisman. Oops. I know it is just supposed to be a fun show but it sounds like overconfident police work at best, sloppy to negligent and reckless at worst. She should be suspended if they find out, or charged with dereliction of duty. Will be interesting to see what happens if/when they discover her body, how she feels about letting her old acquaintance die... Might have to keep watching after all just to see how they handle it
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I think slapping her with fault would be par for the course with this society, but really I think the whole system is more to blame than her bad choices.
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