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What do you think about cannabis?
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Posted 10/5/12

Effy- wrote:

I still say, California.


I have to agree with you, there. Though I do not partake of any drug beyond an occasional medication...
That is where people go to obtain this particular substance legally in the United States.
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cruentus wrote:


Thank you. I do my best to exude a viewpoint of acceptance yet rational doubt for almost any given subject.

I would say so...impairment of any action, (including that of walking or running), can also have dangerous effects also.
Alcohol is certainly a problem, but I don't think it's just that society has conditioned drinkers...it's that it's everywhere.
People have the choice how much they want to drink. But, because alcohol is so available and peer pressure edges
people to "share a beer" or "buy a drink" for others, more often than not, this leads to excess...which makes sense.
It all leads to the single conclusion that surrounds all social activities, really. "Because it's fun to do with others."

Now then, given that social situations also have the tendency to get quite rambunctious,
alcohol being involved makes it worse.People who are all drinking aren't as adept to keep
an eye on those who have been drinking more/generally excess occurs.Those who are drunk,
being completely unaware of their activities, may choose incorrectly and operate a vehicle whilst
those who are to be supervising them are left completely unawares of this individual's condition
because they simply walked out. Unbeknownst to them, their friend is now behind the wheel of a vehicle
in a precarious state and are now endangering themselves/others.

I would venture to guess that accounts for about half of the cases, the others are from solitary drinking,
which is the most dangerous.Conceding your point to you that you made earlier, I do believe that you sought
to rescind your remark regarding driving, slightly. I believe that would be an advantageous thing to do, considering
both impairments carry risks from motor vehicle operation.


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I dont know where I would be without cannabis. I was involved in a fatal accient where my close friend died and I was dead for 2 minutes, that accident caused me to have a permanent back fracture among having multiple pins put in me to fix broken bones. The fracture alone is very painful, on top of now developing arthritis and having every place where I have pins hurt when it is cold out. I was perscribed medical cannabis when I was 15 to replace pain medicines and muscle relaxants. I was strongly against it until my doctor said it wouldnt make me feel sick or like a zombie and that I would be able to compete in sports again. Now I'm more energetic and outgoing personality wise, and I'm number 1 in state for high jump and 1600m run. It truly has changed my life for the better.
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bebophitchhiker wrote:

@mangosky
Sadly, that's the reality of politics. Which ever way the political winds are blowing, politicians bend over backwards to pander to those who will be electing them. Just look at the political climate here in the U.S. in this election year. ALWAYS brings out the worst in people.


that is so true. i never liked the politics either. most of the weed smokers like me wants marijuana to be legalised but stupid people in politics won't. here, laws ALWAYS change.
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I don't know how I feel about it. I have close family members who use it, but I never would nor would I like my wife to. None of the people I know who use it use any other drugs. Alcohol and smoking are both terrible for you and cause a lot of trouble too, though, so I don't really think it's worse. I especially hate smoking.
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it has been proven that its not linked to lung cancer, it doesnt kill your brain cells, and its not the plant its self that lowers testosterone and sperm count its mostly the seeds and maybe the stem. The only real negative to herbs is when you smoke it there is a possibility of bronchitis (but any gas, smoke can cause this so eating so thats not really a problem) and The possibility of brining on a mental illness if there is a history of it in your family.. Other wise you have been brain washed by D.A.R.E and the reefer madness propaganda. And the studies that people usually refer to were botched experiments where they suffocated monkeys with smoke.

oh yea its BLEAZY TIME
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Bullshit. Weed is not a gateway drug. Most people start out with alcohol and tobacco before moving to harder stuff. Weed? Only a minority of potheads move to hard drugs.
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if you wanna smoke it, go for. doesnt effect me what so ever. just dont blow it in my face
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It offers ZERO benefit and several risks, most especially REDUCED ABILITY TO REASON. We should not ever advocate its use and do everything within our power to limit its availability.

The only way to change my mind is convincing me it serves some purpose like, cure cancer or something and because you cannot offer any reason to use it then any arguing given is invalid.
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^A lot of things reduce our ability to reason. We are emotionally-driven, not logic driven. Logic is for computers, we are human. Our bodies produce hormones that reduce our ability to stay completely rational in certain situations. Our moods dictate what we are more or less likely to do. Our sex drive and our instinct to remain nourished by food, for instance, may reduce our ability to be rational. As long as the effect isn't extremely pronounced and permanent, there is reason to demonize a drug as harmless as weed. Remember, chronic abuse of ANYTHING is bad for you. Tylenol could kill you. You could also get extreme and say 100% of people who drink water will die.

Wanting to ban weed because of its potential danger is not a good enough reason. Everything is dangerous if people fail to be responsible for what they do. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Weed DOES have benefits. Just because something can be abused and/or used recreationally doesn't mean it's automatically bad. If weed is so bad, you should be lobbying for a ban on alcohol and tobacco because they happen to be worse.


The_Libertarian_Otaku wrote:

Bullshit. Weed is not a gateway drug. Most people start out with alcohol and tobacco before moving to harder stuff. Weed? Only a minority of potheads move to hard drugs.


I actually don't even think there are such things as gateway drugs. I think people who use drugs may be more likely to use other drugs not because the drug they currently use makes them tempted to do more, but because after using that drug they have learned that drugs aren't all as bad as they are cracked up to be (no pun intended). That's exactly what happened with me.

I believe it is similar to doing certain types of behaviors. Let's say the country you are in prohibits you from driving over the speed limit and emphasizes the dangers of going over the speed limit very much. One day, you go over the speed limit and discover that you can get to your destination faster. After that, you don't stop as long for stop signs (or stop at all in some areas) because you are never caught and the police never punish you and no accidents happen to you (police and accidents in this case = immediate health consequences of the drugs). You progress from going over the speed limit to not stopping as long for stop signs not because surpassing the speed limit makes you want to stop for shorter lengths of time, but because you discovered that the consequences are exaggerated, it may be impractical, and the law has no teeth.
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The only benefits to marijuana are such as the fellow up there who's got pins in his back and is given it under extreme medical supervision and sorry NO, purposely putting a controlled substance into your body is NOT the same as falling in love or desiring food etc and I agree with you 100% that Alcohol and Tobacco ought to be banned as well. Didn't see that coming did you? Now your argument is further worthless.

Stop trying to justify something that's bad for you with no benefits and start realizing you're acting foolishly by advocating it.

Case in point. Let's say you use marijuana and a car has a traffic accident in front of you, can you properly do your duty as a citizen of this world to save the lives of those involved while under the influence of marijuana? No? THEN DON'T USE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. EVER! We are not islands unto ourselves. All of our actions have consequences. Even sitting alone in your basement using marijuana affects others and has the potential to lead to disaster.

Next you'll argue that under the same circumstances other substances ought to be banned like prescription medication blah blah blah. Those have PROVEN benefits that help the person under their influence such as curing diseases or allowing them to otherwise function. Let me reiterate for you MARIJUANA DOES NOTHING. Stop using it.
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Unless you have absolute proof for all the absolutes you are stating, I strongly advise keeping an open mind about things. I still don't understand why it seems to be more important to ban things with harmful potential than it is to teach people to be more responsible. The key lies in moderation. Marijuana is a natural painkiller with few long-term side effects when used in moderation. Moderation. Banning anything simply because it 'can be dangerous' is silly. You have to take into consideration its availability, potential for abuse, proven consequences, and application into account. Marijuana is not physically addictive, nor is its use alone very dangerous. Driving while sleep-deprived has an equally (if not more) dangerous effect on your ability to drive. You CAN operate machinery on marijuana, and it is a stress reliever (a lot of people also become much more focused with a little THC in their system and it actually improves their reflexes). It merely depends on how much you use and how your body reacts to it. People usually do things to harm themselves, things rarely just pop out and wallop people.

How do you know something is good until you know what is bad. Likewise, how can you discern what is good or bad unless you've known both to at least a limited extent? Have you tried marijuana? Can you prove that a single person in recorded history has ever died from marijuana use alone? It sounds like you're just following the blown-out-of-proportion things that school drug education programs teach you.

About 3 or 4 years ago, I was straightedge to the extreme. I believed everything that my parents and school programs and everything else told me. My experiences in college indicate otherwise. Drugs are not evil, it is only the people who don't think before they use them irresponsibly that are the cause for grief. Red wine in moderation is beneficial to your health and can help you unwind after a long day. Tobacco (in its purest form as a minimally-processed plant) unburned does not contain all the tar and additives people commonly associate with it.....granted, nicotine is not a good substance but it, too, can be a stress-reliever. Hallucinogenic mushrooms and peyote were often used by different tribal shamans for religious ceremonies upon which their respective people clung for hope. MDMA, when used in measured doses, promotes bonding and can be used to help distressed couples in therapy. It is also used by some Zen monks to allow for more effective meditation. A few hundred years ago, tea containing opioids were had as a daily afternoon tea due to its relaxing properties. Senseless regulation is not only ineffective (there will always be people who will find ways to obtain the substance and sell it at high prices) but, well, stupid. I'm not promoting wanton, carefree drug use, just awareness. EVERYTHING you take into your body affects your body chemistry, even water. At what extent do you draw the line?
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oh yeah give those crackheads marijuana and say "be responsible now" lol give me a fucking break
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^They would still have been irresponsible before they obtained the marijuana, when the goal is to accurately inform people about the perils and benefits of drug use BEFORE they begin. And they will still be paying for it. A lot of people will benefit from the increased income for the government. And jail cells will be used for people who actually need to be put in there.

You could have a society completely free of drugs and there will still be those few crazies who want to watch the world burn and waste their lives away by gambling or something. You're looking at a very, very small percentage of people.
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yeah if im a drug addict I could care less about the perils haha and I think you mean prison not jail
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