First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  Next  Last
Heaven is real
2187 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
25 / Behind you
Offline
Posted 10/9/12
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/heaven-real-says-neurosurgeon-claims-visited-afterlife-213527063.html

"According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent."

Read the article, post your opinions.
29101 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23
Offline
Posted 10/9/12

netdisorder wrote:


Effy- wrote:

My friend was in acoma. He underwent a very vivid dream as well. He only told me about it once because even after he woke up, he would see things that aren't there.

So to me this article just means he was having a vivid dream.


How would he have a vivid dream if his Neocortex wasn't functioning? To best known science, it was impossible for him to have dreams in the state he was in.


We still know very little about the human brain...
14154 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
19 / M / New Jersey
Offline
Posted 10/9/12
Speculation.
Heaven can't be proven.
2159 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
26 / M / USA
Offline
Posted 10/10/12
The answer is DMT (Dimethyltryptamine)

NOT heaven.
ItsMev 
31889 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / M / Melbourne, Australia
Offline
Posted 10/10/12 , edited 10/10/12
Nope. Dream on jesus humpers.
Posted 10/10/12 , edited 10/10/12

netdisorder wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/heaven-real-says-neurosurgeon-claims-visited-afterlife-213527063.html

"According to current medical understanding of the brain and mind, there is absolutely no way that I could have experienced even a dim and limited consciousness during my time in the coma, much less the hyper-vivid and completely coherent odyssey I underwent."

Read the article, post your opinions.


That's kind of leap is'nt it? Our understanding of the brain is pretty limited, even more so when it comes to phenomena like dreaming. Truth is we don't know to what extent the neocortex is even involved in dreaming and other subconscious activity. From what we do know about the brain, it appears to be fairly adaptable, and there are a fair number of documented cased of the brain adapting to changes such as trauma (Neuroplasticity) like a stroke etc by essential moving the impaired portions function else where. One George M. Stratton found that when he wore glasses that inverted everything he saw, that within a few days his brain had correct for it and the image appeared right side up again despite the glasses. I think their is probably some middle ground that explains his experience far short of declaring the afterlife a reality, but the man can believe what ever he pleases.

edit: fixed several typos.
Banned
34175 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
18 / M / Stoke, England
Offline
Posted 10/10/12
Although I'd like this to be true, everyone is right when they say we don't know everything about the brain. Maybe if he woke up with a halo on his head and a lovely fluffy pair of wings, it'd be a bit more plausible. Lol.

On a side note, I do actually believe in both the afterlife and reincarnation.
23294 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / F / NY
Offline
Posted 10/10/12 , edited 10/10/12

phogan wrote:
That's kind of leap is it?


That is most certainly a leap...no doubt about it. You don't conclude that "heaven" exists simply due to people recollecting experience during a coma. For all we know, besides it just being due to certain chemicals or activity in the brain during the coma--the person may not have actually had those experiences. Life is ephemeral, you honestly can never really know if what you remember happened 5 seconds ago really happened, you can only be sure about what is happening now, and even then, there is a processing delay, so you can't really be sure. Thus, I'm saying that those experiences could've been "implanted memories" of a sort induced by the coma.

Then you could go further; even if there is no natural explanation and it is clearly a supernatural phenomenon, you cannot simply conclude that "heaven" exists. Making the conjecture that heaven exists given this person's recollection, even if it was supernatural is not justifiable. For example, I could say I hold a belief that the reason we experience only our own lives and not those of other people is due to some sort of essence, or "soul" (I am not speaking about the typical Christian or otherwise religious definition) we have not yet discovered which dictates that we experience consciousness as a certain person in a certain body. I could say that this essence, which is the basis of our consciousness lives on somehow when we experience any sort of brain death and furthermore has some method of storing memories on its own and experiencing various sensations without a human brain as a substrate, although it does get recycled in the universe when a point in time is reached where there is no chance of said person being revived. Thus, the person can give recollections of experiences while he or she was brain dead, but no heaven exists in this model.
40434 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
53 / M / Portland, Oregon
Offline
Posted 10/10/12
MY son was in a coma for 3 months. Durring that time he suffered a major stroke. The entire neurological staff concluded if he ever woke up he would be blind and paralysed from the neck down. He did wake up, was not blind or paralysed. He is still recovering 10 years later. Doctors told me there was no way to tell if he was dreaming or could hear us talking to him while comatose. He remembers nothing but he was given drugs to help him forget. I saw him go from only being able to move his finger , when he first awok, to doing steep 5 hour mountain hikes and playing basketball. His walking and speech are not perfect but I have watched his brain steadily recover.
My conclusion is our knowledge of the brain is very limited, any good doctor would tell you the same. To make any religious conclusion based on our knowledge reveals more about our own preconceptions and bias then any objective truth.
37499 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
19 / M / Somewhere i Belong
Offline
Posted 10/10/12
you will see the heaven after the Armageddon.
51280 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
31 / F / U
Offline
Posted 10/10/12

DangerousYams wrote:

Real or not, I'm probably not getting in so... cool for coma guy recovering.


Take out the "probably" and I couldn't have said it better myself.
16360 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
102 / M / The academy
Offline
Posted 10/10/12
Yea I don't beilve I have my own thought of we are just a bunch of specialized organ systems that have been improve throughout millions of years and all we are is a collection of memories to base our personality off of but that's my thought and even I say that within my belief there is room for a soul to be input into that theory but I like mine because it means that after death you can't smile down on earth and see how it's going so get your fill of it now
30561 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
Offline
Posted 10/10/12

tedn wrote:

My conclusion is our knowledge of the brain is very limited, any good doctor would tell you the same. To make any religious conclusion based on our knowledge reveals more about our own preconceptions and bias then any objective truth.


I agree. Still he is allowed to believe whatever he wants. If he found some value in his experience and seeks to be a better person because of it, that can only be a good thing.
20566 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
21 / M / California
Offline
Posted 10/10/12
I believe in heaven, but for others you won't know for sure till your time comes.
21875 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
41 / M / Texas
Offline
Posted 10/10/12
a wise man once said

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

21364 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
18 / M / Florida, US
Offline
Posted 10/10/12
Religion is just stupid.
ispy12 
33579 cr points
Send Message: Send PM GB Post
23 / Canada
Offline
Posted 10/10/12 , edited 10/10/12
believe everything a man sees while in coma
Posted 10/10/12
Aliens have visited us, and the lunar landing was a set-up. My family have already bought land in heaven about 5 generations ago when the Catholic church approached them in exchanged for all their fortune.
First  Prev  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  Next  Last
You must be logged in to post.