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Maybe, maybe not. We'll have to see for ourselves when we die.

Too bad most religions say that it's too late by then, and that 99% of us are going to some sort of hell/underworld where we will be punished eternally.
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not really religious and couldnt care either way, but just becuz one guy said that it is real, people just believe him? if i just went through some kind of medical breakdown and overcame a life or death situation, i could say i saw Heaven and hav the masses flocking towards me. i wouldnt trust the word of one guy and go crazy really.
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Zatheko wrote:

I believe in heaven, but for others you won't know for sure till your time comes.


I think the real issue with this thread is not whether or not heaven is real or not, but whether we should believe that this guy actually saw heaven or thought he saw heaven. Since his experience is purely subjective, there is no way to prove he really experienced heaven, and the burden of proof lies with the person who is claiming fact. Therefore, this man did not experience heaven until he, or anyone, provides proof. You can however choose to believe on faith, that is believing in something without any evidence, facts, or proofs of any kind.
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cruentus wrote:


Zatheko wrote:

I believe in heaven, but for others you won't know for sure till your time comes.


I think the real issue with this thread is not whether or not heaven is real or not, but whether we should believe that this guy actually saw heaven or thought he saw heaven. Since his experience is purely subjective, there is no way to prove he really experienced heaven, and the burden of proof lies with the person who is claiming fact. Therefore, this man did not experience heaven until he, or anyone, provides proof. You can however choose to believe on faith, that is believing in something without any evidence, facts, or proofs of any kind.


Oh I know don't get me wrong im not saying what he said is true im just saying that I can believe BECAUSE i believe but I know there is no proof and I know that its impossible to get proof other then seeing with your own eyes. But yeah it all depends on beliefs and everyone believes there own things and its only human.
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Sure, great for his evolution as a better person, which is the most important. But what about logic and discrimination?
Having an informed, balanced perspective, especially on such an important topic, is also personal growth.
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I believe he could have seen it since I believe there is a heaven. I'm always open to other explanations also, but people cannot explain whether an individual dreams or not or view certain things when in a coma.
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I'm skeptical about the existence of heaven.

But even if it was a real place, there'd be no place for me.
Posted 10/10/12 , edited 10/10/12
Personally, I do believe in Heaven, and I do believe in God..But I will not force my personal beliefs on anyone, and nor will I ridicule anyone else's that oppose my own.

People need to believe in what they choose, and respect the different beliefs of others.
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The Cambridge Declaration of Consciousness seems to say otherwise:
http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf

Apparently, cortical activity is not required for consciousness. According to the declaration, studies were performed in which animals such as all mammals, birds and even octopus are able to experience consciousness exactly like humans, even with the absence of the neocortex.

Another interesting article I found:
http://www.willamette.edu/~levenick/cs448/Merker.pdf

Here's a small excerpt of the article:


The Penfield and Jasper proposal emerged from extensive experience derived from an innovation in neurosurgical practice: they routinely removed sizeable sectors of cortex in conscious patients for the control of intractable epilepsy (Penfield & Jasper 1954). By performing the surgery under local anesthesia only, the authors ensured that their patients remained conscious, cooperative, and capable of self-report throughout the operation. This allowed the neurosurgeons to electrically stimulate the exposed cortex while communicating with the patient, in order to locate functionally critical areas to be spared when removing epileptogenic tissue. They then proceeded to remove cortical tissue while continuing to communicate with the patient. They were impressed by the fact that the removal of sizeable sectors of cortex such as those diagrammed in the composite of Fig. 2 never interrupted the patient’s continuity of consciousness even while the tissue was being surgically removed.


All and all, the study concluded that even with the removal of rather sizable sectors of the cortex, it never interrupted the patient's continual of consciousness. It is a pretty interesting read, though very long.

At the moment, there are a lot of questions that science is not able to answer. Yet I believe just because it can't be answered now, doesn't mean it never will. Studies like these mean we're making progress.

I'm not going to argue that what Mr. Alexander experienced was false, but it doesn't make me any more likely to visit a church on Sunday either. I've always been skeptical of personal testimonies.
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heaven for the weather, hell for the company
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gaara579 wrote:

More religous nuts. great........


just what i was thinking.

but anyway, heaven isn't real, get over it.

why would "god" have a heaven for just dead people when he could make the world a heaven for living people too?
if he's as damn powerful as people say he is, even putting aside that he doesn't exist.
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shadorai wrote:


gaara579 wrote:

More religous nuts. great........


just what i was thinking.

but anyway, heaven isn't real, get over it.

why would "god" have a heaven for just dead people when he could make the world a heaven for living people too?
if he's as damn powerful as people say he is, even putting aside that he doesn't exist.


you're going in hell son! loljk

To answer your question "why would "god" have a heaven for just dead people when he could make the world a heaven for living people too?" I'd say because God doesn't think logically or with any intelligence, he created light on the first day and the source of light on the 4th day...does that make any more sense?


btw I don't believe in God or any gods.
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of course, i am living in heaven right now.
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