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Heaven is real
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Ok, just to be clear: I do not have a expressed religion, nor do I care to even have one.

Now, back to the posting. A heaven is a place filled with good and kindness, along with the people living inside the place. But, this exact word can be translated into a 'Haven' with the words still meaning the same thing. But, in real life, earth to be precise. Humans are having a battle between ''logical' and ''primal' nature, you can see this by checking the news. But, this is confirmed by tons of reports, experiences, and even scientific research. After a person passes away, the body will then release a transparent, phasing astral projection of the person. The person will then be drawn to 'feelings' and 'lights' while in this form. The person will be able to drawn electricity into their astral form, allowing them to be more physical in nature. This can be also translated into 'electricity is my fuel source' But, either or: Since these bodies exist, then they must have a location for different 'groups' and such. Whether you like it or not, everyone likes to be in a group and 'feel protected' or 'protect other people' it is very common in conscious life forms. So, I cannot say 'heaven' exists. But, common logic can confirm the area of a 'haven' for these bodies. Like we have are 'countries' and 'laws', they might have 'locations' and extc. So, yeah....this was my two cents here.
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The problem I have with the answer Dr. Alexander has come up with is the baggage that it comes with. One in particular is that such an answer is supposed to be completely satisfying.

If it were true than why stop there. Shouldn't we then ask "How?" and "Why?" Imagine that geneticists just learned that most our DNA doesn't code proteins. After revealing their discovery to the world, someone asks them "How?" or "Why?" they simply respond by saying "Because god made it so. And he did so because he loves us so much." And then procede to prosthelytize.

Sound preposterous doesn't it?

As far as I can tell the answers that we've found through genuine curiosity and willingness to learn are anything but satisfying. They are profound, humbling and difficult. Forcing to us to accept how weak and ignorant we really are and showing us how far we can and should go if only we are willing to ask the big questions and accept the profound, humbling and difficult answers.



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phogan wrote:
That's kind of leap is it?


That is most certainly a leap...no doubt about it. You don't conclude that "heaven" exists simply due to people recollecting experience during a coma. For all we know, besides it just being due to certain chemicals or activity in the brain during the coma--the person may not have actually had those experiences. Life is ephemeral, you honestly can never really know if what you remember happened 5 seconds ago really happened, you can only be sure about what is happening now, and even then, there is a processing delay, so you can't really be sure. Thus, I'm saying that those experiences could've been "implanted memories" of a sort induced by the coma.

Then you could go further; even if there is no natural explanation and it is clearly a supernatural phenomenon, you cannot simply conclude that "heaven" exists. Making the conjecture that heaven exists given this person's recollection, even if it was supernatural is not justifiable. For example, I could say I hold a belief that the reason we experience only our own lives and not those of other people is due to some sort of essence, or "soul" (I am not speaking about the typical Christian or otherwise religious definition) we have not yet discovered which dictates that we experience consciousness as a certain person in a certain body. I could say that this essence, which is the basis of our consciousness lives on somehow when we experience any sort of brain death and furthermore has some method of storing memories on its own and experiencing various sensations without a human brain as a substrate, although it does get recycled in the universe when a point in time is reached where there is no chance of said person being revived. Thus, the person can give recollections of experiences while he or she was brain dead, but no heaven exists in this model.


Wow, that's a pretty good hypothesis. However I wouldn't assert that such phenomenon is supernatural. My reason would be that I don't really know what "supernatural" really is. Even if I did know, there is no concrete way to establish that a certain phenomenon is supernatural since we can only empirically study natural phenomenon.
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1mirg wrote:

A heaven is a place filled with good and kindness


I would rather not spend enternity with a bunch of hippies but since I dont believe in god anyway it shouldnt matter.

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Even as a Christian I can say this is definitely stretch, but that's also because I'm a scientist. This looks more like sensationalist reporting, or pseudo-science that creationists and the like try to put forth all the time. There are too many unknowns in cases like these to say heaven exists from a scientific standpoint.
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This is from Yahoo? hahaha....
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shadorai wrote:


gaara579 wrote:

More religous nuts. great........


just what i was thinking.

but anyway, heaven isn't real, get over it.

why would "god" have a heaven for just dead people when he could make the world a heaven for living people too?
if he's as damn powerful as people say he is, even putting aside that he doesn't exist.



Cute. I usually don't jump into things like this at all but . . . I feel the need to say a little something just once. Heaven as people may think doesn't necessarily exist for "dead people." Those whom have walked the path of god's teaching and strived to be holy have a place there. It does not matter if the person is dead or alive before the time to be taken there has come. So. If anyone has actually paid attention to the bible then we only know that whoever has been mentioned to be is already there waiting. I expect someone to shoot this down as there seem to be way more atheists around many places that I hang out , but that is fine. One of my best friends was atheist. I didn't mind that at all because we had a really strong bond since 2nd grade and anyone's belief is their own in my eyes. He passed away a few years ago in an accident along with a well known christian friend during a trip and I have a lot to thank him for.

I think its possible for someone to have a spiritual vision at any time if they were meant to. Personally myself and most of my relatives have dealt with things like supernatural activity and visions of things to come since before I was born. The house i'm living in now was haunted when we first moved in. A lot of people believe in things like ghost activity and curses but they don't believe that there is a god or heaven exists- its rather strange but then again , to be expected. God does NOT force his teachings on anyone , but his word is written for those who will to follow him. Everyone is given a choice to believe in and follow him or not. That is why people who are nonbelievers exist with those who do. We are free to live and think the way we want. Only radical christians would try to force things on others and that is not how things should be done. But anyways whether that man did or didn't have a spiritual experience , only he and god himself knows for sure. That really can't be left for other people to decide.

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ispy12 wrote:


shadorai wrote:


gaara579 wrote:

More religous nuts. great........


just what i was thinking.

but anyway, heaven isn't real, get over it.

why would "god" have a heaven for just dead people when he could make the world a heaven for living people too?
if he's as damn powerful as people say he is, even putting aside that he doesn't exist.


you're going in hell son! loljk

To answer your question "why would "god" have a heaven for just dead people when he could make the world a heaven for living people too?" I'd say because God doesn't think logically or with any intelligence, he created light on the first day and the source of light on the 4th day...does that make any more sense?


btw I don't believe in God or any gods.


well i don't know what we're talking about, because god doesn't exist anyway.
Posted 10/12/12

shadorai wrote:


gaara579 wrote:

More religous nuts. great........


just what i was thinking.

but anyway, heaven isn't real, get over it.

why would "god" have a heaven for just dead people when he could make the world a heaven for living people too?
if he's as damn powerful as people say he is, even putting aside that he doesn't exist.


Oh god thanks fianlly someone agrees!
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The existence of Heaven, much like the existence of God cant be proved or disproved, they are both based on faith. The only way of conclusively prove them one way or another would be to permanently die, however, since you will be dead, you will seize to exist in a manner that will allow you to communicate with the living and share your findings. Therefore, trying to prove to others regardless of where you stand on the matter is rather pointless.
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quikbeam wrote:

The existence of Heaven, much like the existence of God cant be proved or disproved, they are both based on faith. The only way of conclusively prove them one way or another would be to permanently die, however, since you will be dead, you will seize to exist in a manner that will allow you to communicate with the living and share your findings. Therefore, trying to prove to others regardless of where you stand on the matter is rather pointless.


An interesting and respectable post. To die and not be able to speak what you know- dying just for the sole purpose of finding out the truth is beyond wasteful. But the more I think about it , perhaps we're not meant to find out. Mysteries are for a reason.
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How do we know he wasn't BSing....and just using that story to promote something...

I will find out when I die.

and with that...I forgot to add; the cake, it's a lie!
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KuroiPhantasm wrote:

An interesting and respectable post. To die and not be able to speak what you know- dying just for the sole purpose of finding out the truth is beyond wasteful. But the more I think about it , perhaps we're not meant to find out. Mysteries are for a reason.


Im not saying you should die for the sole purpose of finding the truth, you should live and enjoy life until the day you die.
What i am saying is the only way to conclusively find the truth about whether there is a Heaven or not is to die. So really trying to prove the subject one way or another will be completely fruitless.
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quikbeam wrote:

Im not saying you should die for the sole purpose of finding the truth, you should live and enjoy life until the day you die.
What i am saying is the only way to conclusively find the truth about whether there is a Heaven or not is to die. So really trying to prove the subject one way or another will be completely fruitless.


Ohhh. I got it , thanks quik. =3
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believe in a half-dead semi-conscious man. seems to me that the thread starter has really limited intelligence. why is a nut starting religious nonsense on this website anyways?
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My cousin also has a mild case of mental retardation! He also believes in heaven
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