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Barefoot Gen - The aftermath of Hiroshima
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Posted 6/16/07
eh, i'll pass. i believe the bomb drops were necessary and japan was given ample warning and opportunity to surrender before anything happened. keep in mind, it took two atomic bomb drops to get japan to surrender, not one.

i'm sure the anime is done well and very touching, but i've noticed a trend attempting to demonize the bomb drops, as well as much of US-Japan side of WW2. this is creeping into american text books as well.

this really wouldn't be such a big deal to me if it weren't for japan's reluctance (and even refusal at times) to own up to war atrocities they committed during WW2. yes, the US did many innapropriate things but no modern effort is being made to conceal them.

i certainly think the necessity of dropping the bombs should be up for debate and study, as well as understanding the full human toll of the actions. but given japan's record of WW2 history innaccuracy and misinformation, i'd prefer not to endorse it in any way.

while even though this anime is probably quite factual, it still plays into japan victimizing itself during it's involvement during WW2. the clip showed cute children, family and animals being vaporized while the harsh looking american's dropped the bomb.
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Posted 6/16/07
I actually was just looking for a torrent for this a few days ago. On another site there was a thread about sad movies/movies that made you cry and this was mentioned. Unfortunately, the torrent was dead, so I still haven't seen it. I'd really like to, though; people have said it's really good.
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Posted 6/16/07

lokita wrote:

I actually was just looking for a torrent for this a few days ago. On another site there was a thread about sad movies/movies that made you cry and this was mentioned. Unfortunately, the torrent was dead, so I still haven't seen it. I'd really like to, though; people have said it's really good.


this one seems alive, though it's in .mkv format
http://isohunt.com/download/10509795/barefoot+gen
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Posted 6/16/07
Geneon put out this movie and its sequel in one pack last year in a sub-only format. Don't know if it's still readily available though.
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Posted 6/16/07
HOLY SHIT IN HELL F**K

^those weren't my words. they were a youtubers words.

Posted 6/16/07
Azrael910: I haven't seen the anime but I do own the comic. It's one of my favorites. Also, it really deals only superficially w/ the Americans. The story is more centered around Gen and his family and the abuses of the Japanese military.

I have to REALLY disagree w/ you about the necessity of the atom bomb however. I don't think the atom bomb was necessary. NOTHING necessitates that kind of destruction. You also have to realize that the desires of the people and the government are not always aligned. It's never justifiable to punish the innocent or powerless for things they can't control or change.
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Posted 6/16/07

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Azrael910: I haven't seen the anime but I do own the comic. It's one of my favorites. Also, it really deals only superficially w/ the Americans. The story is more centered around Gen and his family and the abuses of the Japanese military.

I have to REALLY disagree w/ you about the necessity of the atom bomb however. I don't think the atom bomb was necessary. NOTHING necessitates that kind of destruction. You also have to realize that the desires of the people and the government are not always aligned. It's never justifiable to punish the innocent or powerless for things they can't control or change.


I'm just judging the anime by the 5 minute clip Jay linked.

What you need to realize is that japanese society had been effectively militarized during WW2. It would have been a long hard campaign across the entirety of japan with far more casualties (civilian and otherwise). There were japanese soldiers who came out of hiding in the jungles decades after WW2 ended. Imagine that kind of resilience across all of Japan. A society that had been so thoroughly militarized, the lines between civilian and soldier blur (much like in the middle east now).

First, japan was warned they faced prompt and utter destruction if they declined to surrender. After the first bomb, they still didn't surrender. It wasn't until after the second one that they did. That's how determined they were.

End the war with 2 bomb drops or drag it out over the next several years with an untold cost on both nations?

I stayed on the island of Okinawa for a while a few years ago. The island was pretty much leveled during WW2. Very little remains there from before the war. The island was pretty much built back up from ground zero. Imagine that kind of destruction across all of Japan. Instead of two cities, an entire nation destroyed.
Posted 6/16/07
you can't win me over w/ any arguments, even if they make sense, especially as i am buddhist and i am really really anti-violence (of any kind). i can accept and or deal w/ violence in movies and animes, just not in real life.
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Posted 6/16/07

xidiya wrote:

you can't win me over w/ any arguments, even if they make sense...


religion in a nutshell right there
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Posted 6/16/07
^ lol

"the nuclear bombs power level is OVER 9000!" Said Vageta.
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Posted 6/16/07
I've only heard of this movie vaguely. Is it similar to Grave of the Fireflies?

I does sound really good though, putting facts aside as to the justification of dropping bombs, the aftermath of that situation sounds like the ingrediants to an excellent drama.
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Posted 6/16/07
Oh yeah I read that a while ago my teacher let me borrow his manga!! it was really sad
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azrael would u say its necessary to drop 1-2 atom bombs in the middle east right now? war in middle east is gonna last way longer than ww2 and the people's hatred towards US is just gonna keep building up, tens of thousands civilians dying without doing anything shouldnt be called a necessity, today 1-2 americans die in middle east and its like OMFG TRAGEDY

i dont think its japans way to demonize ww2 or hating against US, some jp/asian/german dude could say same thing against US with its hundreds of war movies

and im not trying to defend japan or some bs, i know japan did terrible shit in the phillippines (im filipino) i just think all the war people back then/now are idiots
Posted 6/17/07
I agree w/ mrtictac. Nothing justifies violence. Also, the atom bomb has a lot of very serious and very dangerous after effects. You're not only killing innocent people, you're killing the earth. We humans murder the earth enough as it is, we don't need to exacerbate the problem. Also, I don't believe in sacrificing life as a means to an end. This is the wrong way to go about bringing peace of any kind. Violence does not beget anything but violence.

Anyways, Barefoot Gen highlights the dangers of this kind of thinking itself-- an ideology where violence, death, and murder have become acceptable sacrifices. It's definitely something to watch/see/read.

Also, this isn't about religion. It's about being human, having compassion, and placing value on life. There can be no argument that can convince me that these things are not to be cherished. Even if I were not buddhist, I'd still believe in these things.
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Posted 6/18/07
I dunno I saw the history chanels docu on the event, and to be fair they were warned, but he wasnt listening and the bombs got dropped, complaining about it now won't change what happened, better them then us *shrug*, the whole thing could have been avoided (harbor and big bro lil bro)

a lot of ppl learned from that, most of the ppl from that time are dead or dying any ways

I think BFG impacted me b/c that was the first time I had seen Japans side of the chaos
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