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The Future of Anime Dubs
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Posted 10/22/12

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@iashakezula: AoA's probably the only candidate to revive Ocean. If Texas acting is non-union (it costs less) then why don't companies let them do western cartoons.


Aniplex of America is more likely to use Bang Zoom for their dubs since both are located in California. As far as the Western cartoons, it's likely that their production companies are not in Texas and thereby don't use that local talent pool. The reason why some western cartoons use Ocean is possibly because Vancouver is close to Seattle and closer to Portland than Los Angeles. Again, location, location, location.

And it's not insignificant that there is some overlap between anime company dubs and video game dubs. Bang Zoom does a lot of video game dubs and the places where the video game industry is concentrated in America is Texas and California.

And I also keep sensing a subtle dislike for Texas in how you characterize the state of anime dubs.
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Domayv wrote:

@iashakezula: AoA's probably the only candidate to revive Ocean. If Texas acting is non-union (it costs less) then why don't companies let them do western cartoons.


Aniplex of America is more likely to use Bang Zoom for their dubs since both are located in California. As far as the Western cartoons, it's likely that their production companies are not in Texas and thereby don't use that local talent pool. The reason why some western cartoons use Ocean is possibly because Vancouver is close to Seattle and closer to Portland than Los Angeles. Again, location, location, location.

And it's not insignificant that there is some overlap between anime company dubs and video game dubs. Bang Zoom does a lot of video game dubs and the places where the video game industry is concentrated in America is Texas and California.

And I also keep sensing a subtle dislike for Texas in how you characterize the state of anime dubs.


Come one Bandai, Viz, and Geneon (all of which are located in California) outsourced to Ocean, so it could happen with Aniplex of America. For the games, Texas acting is limited to companies based there (except id since they outsource to California). Well, the reasons for the dislike are because since Bandai (the last major client of Bang Zoom and Ocean) closed down, dubs are going to be homogenized (which is NOT a good thing at all) and Funi dumped the original cast of shana and fücked it up. The only way they could redeem themselves is if the start a kickstarter project to raise about $590,000 to get back the original cast (a union dub costs at the maximum $10,000 (24 + 24 + 4 + a movie (about 4 episodes long) = 56 (560,000) and combine it with manufacturing, it will increase by another $10,000 more or less).
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Posted 10/22/12 , edited 10/22/12

Domayv wrote:


pistolsaf wrote:


Domayv wrote:

@iashakezula: AoA's probably the only candidate to revive Ocean. If Texas acting is non-union (it costs less) then why don't companies let them do western cartoons.


Aniplex of America is more likely to use Bang Zoom for their dubs since both are located in California. As far as the Western cartoons, it's likely that their production companies are not in Texas and thereby don't use that local talent pool. The reason why some western cartoons use Ocean is possibly because Vancouver is close to Seattle and closer to Portland than Los Angeles. Again, location, location, location.

And it's not insignificant that there is some overlap between anime company dubs and video game dubs. Bang Zoom does a lot of video game dubs and the places where the video game industry is concentrated in America is Texas and California.

And I also keep sensing a subtle dislike for Texas in how you characterize the state of anime dubs.


Come one Bandai, Viz, and Geneon (all of which are located in California) outsourced to Ocean, so it could happen with Aniplex of America. For the games, Texas acting is limited to companies based there (except id since they outsource to California). Well, the reasons for the dislike are because since Bandai (the last major client of Bang Zoom and Ocean) closed down, dubs are going to be homogenized (which is NOT a good thing at all) and Funi dumped the original cast of shana and fücked it up. The only way they could redeem themselves is if the start a kickstarter project to raise about $590,000 to get back the original cast (a union dub costs at the maximum $10,000 (24 + 24 + 4 + a movie (about 4 episodes long) = 56 (560,000) and combine it with manufacturing, it will increase by another $10,000 more or less).


Just throwing this out there but why the fixation on Funimation replacing most (if not all) of the original cast of Shana of the Burning Eyes? Maybe they couldn't get all the original Geneon dub cast together for seasons 2 & 3.
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@Shrapnel893: They replaced the whole cast. That's what, and they fücked it up. Not to mention, on the videos and blog, many people said that the new cast was inferior compared to S1.
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Posted 10/22/12 , edited 10/22/12

Domayv wrote:

@Shrapnel893: They replaced the whole cast. That's what, and they fücked it up. Not to mention, on the videos and blog, many people said that the new cast was inferior compared to S1.


No, I know that, it's just why fixate on that as part of the discussion is all. At least that's what I'm getting out of all this. Do you think the new dub cast is inferior to the Geneon dub yourself or are you just basing all of this off of others' opinionated comments? I guess specifically, how did they 'fuck it up' and to what extent? Now personally, I can get used to the new cast just fine but if it can be helped I like when they try and get the old cast back though it doesn't always work out. I'm guessing that's the case here after all it has been around four years since the first season got dubbed.
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@Shrapnel893: They replaced the whole cast. That's what, and they fücked it up. Not to mention, on the videos and blog, many people said that the new cast was inferior compared to S1.


I believe TheAncientOne already outlined that Funimation was looking at dubbing 24 episodes of Shana II, The Shana movie, the OVAs and possibly the 24 episodes of Shana III. That would have been a very large committment and it would have cost significantly more for Funimation to have Ocean dub it again. Also scheduling the VAs would have to happen too, and Funimation wanted to release Shana II as soon as they could after the Geneon Universal merger left things in limbo for essentially two years.

I bought the re-release of the first season of Shana, and so I've heard the Ocean dub(I refuse to use Funi's streaming service so I will have to wait until December to hear the Shana II dub). The Ocean dub was good but not spectacular. Also hearing Yuuji say "sorry" with a faint Canadian accent was a little off-putting. Tabitha was pretty decent as Shana but let's face it, she's no Rie Kugumiya. I really liked the Ocean's VA for Alastor and I am not sure if Funi will measure up to that. Overall, the choices that Funi made seem decent. I would have to see the dub for Shana II(or the dub of the movie) to really say if Ocean or Funi was better.

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Posted 10/22/12 , edited 10/22/12

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Domayv wrote:

@Shrapnel893: They replaced the whole cast. That's what, and they fücked it up. Not to mention, on the videos and blog, many people said that the new cast was inferior compared to S1.


No, I know that, it's just why fixate on that as part of the discussion is all. At least that's what I'm getting out of all this. Do you think the new dub cast is inferior to the Geneon dub yourself or are you just basing all of this off of others' opinionated comments? I guess specifically, how did they 'fuck it up' and to what extent? Now personally, I can get used to the new cast just fine but if it can be helped I like when they try and get the old cast back though it doesn't always work out. I'm guessing that's the case here after all it has been around four years since the first season got dubbed.


What am I? Jumping the shark? Anyways, I've seen clips of the new cast, and Yuji sounds like as if he's older than what he should be, and Alastor sounds higher-pitched than what he should be. I can also easily point out how flawed Khamsin would sound like in the new cast. First of all, he was voiced by a female in S1 and now a male (Todd Hakberkorn). Yes he voices male characters voiced by females in the Japanese track but he's no Johnny Yong Bosch doing a Renton from Eureka 7. It woud've made more sense if Brina Palencia did him (since she's good with bishie boys).


I believe TheAncientOne already outlined that Funimation was looking at dubbing 24 episodes of Shana II, The Shana movie, the OVAs and possibly the 24 episodes of Shana III. That would have been a very large committment and it would have cost significantly more for Funimation to have Ocean dub it again. Also scheduling the VAs would have to happen too, and Funimation wanted to release Shana II as soon as they could after the Geneon Universal merger left things in limbo for essentially two years.


If it wasn't for the delay, the outsourcing would be more possible.
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I'll be honest 70% is probably pretty close to on the money. The great dubs I can think of are Baccano, Trigun, Blue Submarine, Ouran Host Club, and Black Lagoon. Those are the ones off the top of my head but most of the others if not downright terrible, are nearly intolerable when compared with the source material.

Oh but I suppose High School of the Dead had a good dub if only because of the absurdity of the series to begin with.
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I've never really felt like dubs was the way to go, it changes the atmosphere of the anime too much for me, so in a way im kinda happy if it dies ^^

Dont get me wrong, its not because i want it to die, i just simply think most of the time its really not that great, and more often then not it ruins the anime :/ I know for a fact that there are indeed great dubs, but im not willing to take that chance with every show just to switch back to subbed but thats just my opinion.

But the thing is, i'd defo prefer dubbed over subbed anytime, if i knew it was good all the time, but as you've said they've outsourced too much and for me that ruined to much for me to even consider it, although im glad someone is actually caring enough for it as you are OP :D

So props to you and i hope you can at some point bring some justice to the dubs ! ^^
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I hate dubbing. I only watch in the original language with subtitles.
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Give the people an option between the 2, thats all. You can HATE dubs, but thats you, don't watch it, simple as that. Give the people who like dubs the option to watch it dubbed. There is no reason to bash or insult the dub voices or the people who prefer it, thats there own preference nothing wrong with that.
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Posted 1/24/13 , edited 1/24/13

Hpollan89 wrote:

I'll be honest 70% is probably pretty close to on the money. The great dubs I can think of are Baccano, Trigun, Blue Submarine, Ouran Host Club, and Black Lagoon. Those are the ones off the top of my head but most of the others if not downright terrible, are nearly intolerable when compared with the source material.

Oh but I suppose High School of the Dead had a good dub if only because of the absurdity of the series to begin with.


You forgot Cowboy Bebop. Also, for its time Neon Genesis Evangelion had a great dub as well. Lots of dubs aren't terrible (most are at the very least decent) now-a-days, not to say there aren't ones that are of course.



xCleverlyx wrote:

Give the people an option between the 2, thats all. You can HATE dubs, but thats you, don't watch it, simple as that. Give the people who like dubs the option to watch it dubbed. There is no reason to bash or insult the dub voices or the people who prefer it, thats there own preference nothing wrong with that.


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Posted 1/25/13 , edited 1/25/13
Only good dub I've ever seen is Hellsing. I'd actually go as far to say that the dub was far superior to the sub.

9.9 times out of 10, however, Dub is just plain awful.

People seem to really like Spice and Wolf's dub, but meh, wasn't for me.
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Not much of a dub person.
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I for one am balanced. There's anime I love both sub and dub like Haruhi Suzumiya, where both voicers are perfect for their characters and then there's anime where the japanese is terrible like OURAN, I'm grateful I watched dub, otherwise I'd given up on it long ago.
I also don't deny there's anime where the dub is terrible. DBZ the 1st time is proof of that. Ocean/blue water had the best cell ever but they replaced so many of the regular characters voices.

If they cut back on companies dubbing, it could result in several voice actors working together when normally they wouldn't. It could make dubs far more popular and more accurate to the subs/original content.
I know these days dubs are more along the lines of movies rather than lots of anime shows. I also know that some anime will never be dubbed, cos the creators and companies just find that the sub is perfect as it is. In some cases a dub probably wouldn't suit it, yet I enjoy dubs and subs of the same anime, cos it's interesting seeing them the way they intended and what we expect via english.
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