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The Future of Anime Dubs
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Posted 1/28/13

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I personally hope they never get rid of dub, because in the last 5 years if not 7-9, dubs have stepped up drastically in my view. I don't pretend that there's really bad choices in dubbing but the voicing has improved drastically. You just have to look at Crispin Freeman, Michael Sinterniklass & Stephanine Shen.
All three tend to stick to similar characters, yet they have done villains instead of heroes and portrayed various types of characters. Proving they go all out for portraying the characters they act out via words.


Ah, those guys... Yes, I think when I got back into anime about 5-7 years ago was also when dubs started to improve and they started popping up regularly. Amusingly I recall Crispin Freeman stating that he's enjoyed anime since he was a kid and ultimately got into dubbing when a friend suggested it, more specifically because he'd have an opportunity to provide people with a decent grade of voice acting which he knew had been lacking in the dubbing industry at the time.

Frankly I don't really see dubs dying anytime soon; and yes while the likes of ADV fragmented, Bandai stopped dubbing and Geneon over extended without realising the way the 'most' people would see their dubs. They all suffered and all caved because of their inability to recognise that anime while technically kept afloat by DVD sales, is popularized by online streaming whether legally or not. Of those that remain Funimation started to take it in the right direction when they put a lot of their dubs and subs up on YouTube. Sadly they also took a step back when they jumped on the Hulu train which I can't use. What the dubbing industry needs now essentially is essentially what subs have here on Crunchyroll.

Sadly however, so long as region restrictions exist forcing people to pay for multiple sites, they'll be more likely to subscribe to the one that gives them most of what they want and watch what they can't there illegally elsewhere. It's sad because most of this shit is caused by laws that only really work with physical goods, not digital ones which anime effectively is. If the dubbing companies that remain provide more region-free legal streaming services, the industry will bounce back very quickly. If they don't, dubbing will very slowly deteriorate into a very niche market with fewer and fewer releases.
Posted 1/28/13 , edited 1/28/13
Complete shit except for Cowboy Bebop's dub. There is no need to pay actors who only half ass their work for cartoons they likely think are from China durr hurr.
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It's sad to see dubbing slowing dying off (especially after watching so many series subbed,i must admit i missed hearing and understanding dialogue in my own language.)

While some would argue dubbing and anime have had a rough relation ship, and while this was very true for most of the 90's (minus a few standout's), let's not let that time overshadow all the great dub's that came out during and past the last decade.

such as Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Fullmetal Alchemist (Brotherhood included),Code Geass,Death Note,Black Lagoon, Gurren Lagann, Angel Beats, Azumanga Daioh, Baccano!, Kanon,Clannad, Haruhi Suzumiya, Full Metal Panic, as well as Fumoffu and Second Raid, Haibane Renmei, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Mushi Shi, Kino's Journey, Samurai Champloo,Ouran High School Host Club just to name a few.

But if dubbing is to be no more, then i suppose that's alright, i'll definitely still watch anime, but watching a series in my own language, being able to identify,understand and take in every breath of an acting performance is definitely a luxury i will miss dearly.
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Posted 1/28/13

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It's sad to see dubbing slowing dying off (especially after watching so many series subbed,i must admit i missed hearing and understanding dialogue in my own language.)

While some would argue dubbing and anime have had a rough relation ship, and while this was very true for most of the 90's (minus a few standout's), let's not let that time overshadow all the great dub's that came out during and past the last decade.

such as Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Fullmetal Alchemist (Brotherhood included),Code Geass,Death Note,Black Lagoon, Gurren Lagann, Angel Beats, Azumanga Daioh, Baccano!, Kanon,Clannad, Haruhi Suzumiya, Full Metal Panic, as well as Fumoffu and Second Raid, Haibane Renmei, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Mushi Shi, Kino's Journey, Samurai Champloo,Ouran High School Host Club just to name a few.

But if dubbing is to be no more, then i suppose that's alright, i'll definitely still watch anime, but watching a series in my own language, being able to identify,understand and take in every breath of an acting performance is definitely a luxury i will miss dearly.


I'd add Chobits to that lineup... Also Hellsing.
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Angrybuffalo wrote:

It's sad to see dubbing slowing dying off (especially after watching so many series subbed,i must admit i missed hearing and understanding dialogue in my own language.)

While some would argue dubbing and anime have had a rough relation ship, and while this was very true for most of the 90's (minus a few standout's), let's not let that time overshadow all the great dub's that came out during and past the last decade.

such as Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Fullmetal Alchemist (Brotherhood included),Code Geass,Death Note,Black Lagoon, Gurren Lagann, Angel Beats, Azumanga Daioh, Baccano!, Kanon,Clannad, Haruhi Suzumiya, Full Metal Panic, as well as Fumoffu and Second Raid, Haibane Renmei, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Mushi Shi, Kino's Journey, Samurai Champloo,Ouran High School Host Club just to name a few.

But if dubbing is to be no more, then i suppose that's alright, i'll definitely still watch anime, but watching a series in my own language, being able to identify,understand and take in every breath of an acting performance is definitely a luxury i will miss dearly.


I'd add Chobits to that lineup... Also Hellsing.


As well as Texhnolyze, Moribito Guardian of the Spirit, Gunslinger Girl, Gantz, Shigurui: Death Frenzy, and the Rebuild films.
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TheObserverRequiem020 wrote:


Angrybuffalo wrote:

It's sad to see dubbing slowing dying off (especially after watching so many series subbed,i must admit i missed hearing and understanding dialogue in my own language.)

While some would argue dubbing and anime have had a rough relation ship, and while this was very true for most of the 90's (minus a few standout's), let's not let that time overshadow all the great dub's that came out during and past the last decade.

such as Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Fullmetal Alchemist (Brotherhood included),Code Geass,Death Note,Black Lagoon, Gurren Lagann, Angel Beats, Azumanga Daioh, Baccano!, Kanon,Clannad, Haruhi Suzumiya, Full Metal Panic, as well as Fumoffu and Second Raid, Haibane Renmei, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Mushi Shi, Kino's Journey, Samurai Champloo,Ouran High School Host Club just to name a few.

But if dubbing is to be no more, then i suppose that's alright, i'll definitely still watch anime, but watching a series in my own language, being able to identify,understand and take in every breath of an acting performance is definitely a luxury i will miss dearly.


I'd add Chobits to that lineup... Also Hellsing.


As well as Texhnolyze, Moribito Guardian of the Spirit, Gunslinger Girl, Gantz, Shigurui: Death Frenzy, and the Rebuild films.


Lulz.... Coming to that annoying point where unless you're a pretentious weeaboo who doesn't know the first thing about voice acting... Dubs, really, aren't all that bad. Although they certainly used to be, and some still are.
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Bang Zoom's Adventures in Voice Acting is something to look out for, it's not expensive and it has some valuable insight into dubbing.


TheObserverRequiem020 wrote:

Lulz.... Coming to that annoying point where unless you're a pretentious weeaboo who doesn't know the first thing about voice acting... Dubs, really, aren't all that bad. Although they certainly used to be, and some still are.


Also for their time, some dubs were actually pretty great compared to others. An overall poor example of dubbing would be the original Birdy the Mighty OVAs and a good example would be Neon Genesis Evangelion. I think everyone should make a list on the reasons why they like/dislike dubs and see if they are actual reasons.
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Shrapnel893 wrote:

Bang Zoom's Adventures in Voice Acting is something to look out for, it's not expensive and it has some valuable insight into dubbing.


TheObserverRequiem020 wrote:

Lulz.... Coming to that annoying point where unless you're a pretentious weeaboo who doesn't know the first thing about voice acting... Dubs, really, aren't all that bad. Although they certainly used to be, and some still are.


Also for their time, some dubs were actually pretty great compared to others. An overall poor example of dubbing would be the original Birdy the Mighty OVAs and a good example would be Neon Genesis Evangelion. I think everyone should make a list on the reasons why they like/dislike dubs and see if they are actual reasons.


True again, hell I'll just go with this... When a western based anime distributor anticipates good sales, they will pay for a good dub and sometimes it'll pay off. An example of it working well would be FMA, an example of it failing very unfortunately would be Baccano.

When it comes to people's reasons for the hate, it's almost exclusively subjective. I'm going to illicit hate from plenty of people now by saying the following: Greg Ayres is a good voice actor. Hate me for that, please. But seriously, he actually is and I openly admit his voice is terribly unattractive. I used to hate him for it, but when you pay attention to the actual acting part, the delivery of lines dramatic pauses and etc, he's really quite good, just has an awful voice.

A lot of it has always been 'It doesn't sound right for *insert character name here*.' That however is usually because people who get way into anime notice that dubs only go so far, and would rather familiarize themselves with one version of a series than two, and of course the sub will be ahead of the dub, so they watch the sub. After a while, the sub and the Japanese voices become expected and gain emotional investment by the viewer, so hearing the same character voiced by an entirely different person is a very jarring experience for some people and then starts the hate.

Well that's my take on it anyway, I even stayed clear of the subbed market for years because I found the obnoxious sub fanatics to be a very off-putting community.
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TheObserverRequiem020 wrote:

True again, hell I'll just go with this... When a western based anime distributor anticipates good sales, they will pay for a good dub and sometimes it'll pay off. An example of it working well would be FMA, an example of it failing very unfortunately would be Baccano.

When it comes to people's reasons for the hate, it's almost exclusively subjective. I'm going to illicit hate from plenty of people now by saying the following: Greg Ayres is a good voice actor. Hate me for that, please. But seriously, he actually is and I openly admit his voice is terribly unattractive. I used to hate him for it, but when you pay attention to the actual acting part, the delivery of lines dramatic pauses and etc, he's really quite good, just has an awful voice.

A lot of it has always been 'It doesn't sound right for *insert character name here*.' That however is usually because people who get way into anime notice that dubs only go so far, and would rather familiarize themselves with one version of a series than two, and of course the sub will be ahead of the dub, so they watch the sub. After a while, the sub and the Japanese voices become expected and gain emotional investment by the viewer, so hearing the same character voiced by an entirely different person is a very jarring experience for some people and then starts the hate.

Well that's my take on it anyway, I even stayed clear of the subbed market for years because I found the obnoxious sub fanatics to be a very off-putting community.


That's a reasonable take on things, I agree. Yes, the reasons for the hate are subjective sadly.

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They won't be dying off anytime soon. Besides Naruto, Bleach viz has Nura, Tiger and Bunny, Lagrange, Inuyasha, Zetman, Accel World, K all coming down the pipeline for future releases. Funimation is still putting out stuff, and Sentai dubs when they can.

While there are less available outlets for dubs nowadays which is why Neon Alley was started I don't think they will ever really end.It's really bad in places like New York though now that 4kids is gone. I think they're most recent work was the Berserk dub.
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When it comes to people's reasons for the hate, it's almost exclusively subjective. I'm going to illicit hate from plenty of people now by saying the following: Greg Ayres is a good voice actor. Hate me for that, please. But seriously, he actually is and I openly admit his voice is terribly unattractive. I used to hate him for it, but when you pay attention to the actual acting part, the delivery of lines dramatic pauses and etc, he's really quite good, just has an awful voice.


I believe the problem with Greg Ayres has nothing to do with his acting skills, he is extremely talented. The problem is he's so frequently miscasted. I haven't seen him playing a role fitting his range in a while now. He's also overused, like many dub actors, to the point where his rather special voice has just gotten tiresome to listen to.


Well that's my take on it anyway, I even stayed clear of the subbed market for years because I found the obnoxious sub fanatics to be a very off-putting community.


I don't think "dub haters" even realize how destructive their hatred can be. I wouldn't even touch subbed anime for the longest time, and most people I know are pretty uninterested in it as well. The way many "dub haters" get on dub watchers case is pretty horrible, and pushes people even farther from the anime community than it should.

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Thing is, if the R1 anime industry suddenly went 100% sub-only, it would wither and die within just a couple years. They need gateway shows that can get on TV and become popular on Netflix to attract new sets of eyeballs onto their shows, and those typically work best dubbed.
Posted 1/29/13
Even if the market for dubs is dying off, I think that there will be a market for it. Albeit that it will probably the same cast again and again, I don't think that will be offed entirely.
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I believe the problem with Greg Ayres has nothing to do with his acting skills, he is extremely talented. The problem is he's so frequently miscasted. I haven't seen him playing a role fitting his range in a while now. He's also overused, like many dub actors, to the point where his rather special voice has just gotten tiresome to listen to.

I don't think "dub haters" even realize how destructive their hatred can be. I wouldn't even touch subbed anime for the longest time, and most people I know are pretty uninterested in it as well. The way many "dub haters" get on dub watchers case is pretty horrible, and pushes people even farther from the anime community than it should.



I would say that you are right on both levels, with Greg Ayres as much as I like the person and actor now. He really is miscast a lot, the last time I thought he was cast well was Sora No Otoshimono, where weirdly I felt the dub superior to the sub almost entirely. Yet as you say miscasting is becoming increasingly common, one of the reasons this is the case now is because of fan appeal, availability and reliability; especially in the case of Funimation.

In the case of Dub haters, the problem is that their perspective is like that of a petty fan boy in YouTube comments. They in their heart of hearts believe that they are doing the right thing by decrying dubs, or they're just being mentally defficient hipster plebs. In any case, they don't understand how the industry actually works.
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