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Post Reply New Catalog Titles: Kobato and New Show Bottom Biting Bug
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Good to see Kobato being added to the catalog, I couldn't really bring myself to love the series but it was still sweet so I'll have to see if I can squeeze the time to re-watch it ^^b.
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coolworlds wrote:
Maybe they should charge subscriptions for the U.S more and other countries less by the amount they can actually watch?
although that would complicate things it would be fairer

That would only be fair if anime cost only a fixed price per subscriber, and there were no contract costs, no subtitling costs, no infrastructure costs, etc..

Unless things have changed greatly in the past couple of years, Crunchyroll has more paid subscribers in the U.S. than all other countries combined. That gives a much larger pool to cover those fixed costs per series.



Then by what your saying then it's definatley a broken system. As crunchy has been around more than long enough to have base user data for both amount / percentage of users that visit the site that are paid subscribers and the country that they are from.
You can use this to create a model for which a costing can be formed.

Also the main reason there are 'apparently' more subscribers in the U.S is because of the cost vers what you can watch / what is blocked. U.S subscribers get to watch everything so the cost is worth the money in the U.K it's about 75% of all total shows, for viewer in Brazil it probly more like 30% of all content. But regardless the fee is the same per country which is the equivilent of what the U.S subscription costs. So likewise the stats will reflect this. but this is mostly speculative as we never get to see any actual return data from crunchy as to how many people are viewing the site / where from.

Crunchy is getting pretty sneaky as well as the shows that are getting are listed in the news and RSS feed but not it the sites listing, so the site taylors what you can see by your isp. it's only after you visit through a link i.e on a news page or through the RSS that you get 'not available in your region' like a kind of 404 page.
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hmmmm kobato interest me but the other one looks weird....
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OMG A new simulcast available in Spain! Woohoo...Wait, Bottom Biting Bug is one of those two-and-a-half minute short shows, right? The fact that is included as an aftertought in a post about a catalog title makes me think CR is...ashamed about it.
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kool cant wait
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coolworlds wrote:
Crunchy is getting pretty sneaky as well as the shows that are getting are listed in the news and RSS feed but not it the sites listing, so the site taylors what you can see by your isp. it's only after you visit through a link i.e on a news page or through the RSS that you get 'not available in your region' like a kind of 404 page.

Frankly, I see this as a good thing, as it helps keep people focused on what they get is worth their monthly subscription rather than, "Hey, those people in the U.S. are getting more for the same amount". If for example, CR was able to geofilter topics in the Site News, people in other countries wouldn't be seeing topics for catalog titles that are from North American publishers.

If CR's subscription prices were based on the amount of anime you get, they would have been going up every year. Just compare the current simulcast lineup to that of spring 2009 or even spring 2010 as an example. (One should also note the spring 2009 list was also padded with what were actually library titles).

A person can only view so many hours of anime per month, so the number of titles available is less likely to change the amount CR needs to pay (or count toward a minimum guarantee) each month in aggregate for all episodes watched by a subscriber. It will, however, lead to more subscribers, which goes further toward covering those fixed or less flexible costs I mentioned in my earlier message. That means the bigger pot of money is going to get more series, which in turn feeds the machine so that it gets even more series.

If companies in Japan licensed all of Europe as one big contiguous block, covered by one contract, and one minimum guarantee, I would be surprised if it didn't have more series than the United States and Canada (which are rarely licensed separately). But that isn't how they do it. At best, they carve it out into individual regions, or worse, individual countries, making for some rather small pots of money.
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Bit of a spoiler in the kobato image don't you think?
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coolworlds wrote: It's the back catalogue side of things that really bugs me. It's great that their bringing new series to the site but because they're only bringing them through deals with partners rather than dealing with a main studio the rights are all us based only.

If the series is under license in the US they have to get it from the North American licensee. A home video distributor normally contracts for streaming, digital, home video and broadcast rights as a package: the only rights that are sometimes unbundled are Blu Ray rights (because of fears of reverse importation, with North America and Japan in the same BD region).

And its the licensed series that have subtitles already completed. Part of the reason that catalog titles make financial sense for Crunchyroll is Crunchyroll does not have to pay for the subtitling.


coolworlds wrote:
Then by what your saying then it's definatley a broken system. As crunchy has been around more than long enough to have base user data for both amount / percentage of users that visit the site that are paid subscribers and the country that they are from. You can use this to create a model for which a costing can be formed.

Except its always arbitrary how you divide up overhead costs. That's just the way the real world works. Its easy to imagine that everything is a cost per viewer, but the most important costs that Crunchyroll covers with its revenues are overhead costs.


Also the main reason there are 'apparently' more subscribers in the U.S is because of the cost vers what you can watch / what is blocked.

Its not just that. Its also that the US market for English-subtitled anime is larger than in the UK or Australia, because of population, and larger than Brazil, Germany, Italy, the Democratic Republic of Congo, because of both population and language.


U.S subscribers get to watch everything so the cost is worth the money in the U.K it's about 75% of all total shows, for viewer in Brazil it probly more like 30% of all content. But regardless the fee is the same per country ...

And fans of high school romantic comedies and series with cute girls doing cute things cutely (SWCGDCTC) get more series than SF fans, or mecha fans, or horror fans.

Indeed, a UK fan of high school romantic comedies and SWCGDCTC's is probably getting more series to watch than I am. So if the UK fan of high school romantic comedies and SWCGDCTC's is getting a discount compared to the US fans of high school romantic comedies and SWCGDCTC's, surely I should get a discount from what that hypothetical UK fan pays?

You either have buffet pricing or you have pay per view pricing. Buffet pricing gives UK viewers more series for less money than they would get from pay per view pricing. PPV pricing ... which is the "fair" pricing model, everyone pays the same for however much they watch ... would allow UK viewers to "fairly" pay a lot more than today.

The basic question is: is it more important to be totally fair, or is it more important for everyone to get a bargain?

The risk with Pay Per View ~ the "fair" pricing model ~ is the fact that it will increase the cost per episode and discourage people from exploring series they wouldn't ordinarily watch, so it will lead to fewer subscribers in both the US and the UK, which will lead to fewer series being licensed, and the UK getting a smaller percentage out of fewer series.

And most people would think paying more per show, combined with access to a smaller percentage of fewer series, would be a bad outcome. But: it would be a perfectly fair price.


Crunchy is getting pretty sneaky as well as the shows that are getting are listed in the news and RSS feed but not it the sites listing, so the site taylors what you can see by your isp. ...

"is getting"? They've done that for years. For obvious reasons: filtering the series that a person can actually view means that people can decide whether that selection is "worth it" to them, or not.

I've long said I think Crunchyroll should have a "Select" subscription, at the cost of one month's subscription, where the "Select" member gets the first episode of the season free for all series (for their region), and they can pick two series (or two seasons of one series) to get premium access to the whole season for that series.

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