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insomniac013 wrote: There's something wrong when we get fewer shows than them but pay the same amount, i agree. If it was a discounted price, fine, but as long as this stands i wont be a premium subscriber.

The "something wrong" is that a smaller number of people don't cover a fixed cost like contract costs as easily as a larger number of people.

In other words, blame arithmetic.

Of course, that is for simulcasts, and this Site News is about catalog titles. If you are coming to Crunchyroll for catalog titles, and the numbers are limited, you can just pay for a month once a year, or twice a year, or once a Japanese broadcast season, and you can take your price for premium access to the catalog titles down to $28 per year, or $14 per year, or $7 per year.


Netflix just came to Denmark, with roughly the same amount of content and even some exclusives that America doesn't get! Making the "rights issue!" excuse doesn't hold up in this day and age.

I looked at that article that TAO linked to. No Firefly? No Serenity? Ouch!


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agila61 wrote:
The "something wrong" is that a smaller number of people don't cover a fixed cost like contract costs as easily as a larger number of people.

In other words, blame arithmetic.

Of course, that is for simulcasts, and this Site News is about catalog titles. If you are coming to Crunchyroll for catalog titles, and the numbers are limited, you can just pay for a month once a year, or twice a year, or once a Japanese broadcast season, and you can take your price for premium access to the catalog titles down to $28 per year, or $14 per year, or $7 per year.



The arithmetics tell me that without the smaller number of people who pay their membership to CR and aren't from the USA or Canada, the price of tthe licenses would be the same, the price of the website servers would be the same but the cost of the membership for these two countries would increase.
I pay the same amount as any Anime premium member, and I get about 120 Series (from whom 10% are simulcasts, that makes more or less 12) and that's what I'm not happy about. Last week they anounced five new series, neither of them could be watched in Europe. I can't watch Sword Art Online, Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun or Btooom! and I supose there are more (wich are simulcasts)
Of course they have to care more about their main income of business but that doesn't mean that they have to neglect the lesser parts. Or am I wrong?

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zeeman_es wrote: The arithmetics tell me that without the smaller number of people who pay their membership to CR and aren't from the USA or Canada, the price of tthe licenses would be the same, the price of the website servers would be the same but the cost of the membership for these two countries would increase.

Except if Crunchyroll was US/Canada only, the price of the licenses would be lower, since the contracting costs would be lower, and contracting costs are one of the biggest fixed costs that Crunchyroll pays.

If Crunchyroll abandoned its "under half" regions and only went for the Americas, UK/Eire, Australia/NZ, the Nordic Countries and South Africa, the price of the licenses would be lower, since the contracting costs would be lower.

Crunchyroll is making the bet that over the long run, the extra revenue from pursuing the broadest possible rights will more than cover the extra costs from pursuing the broadest possible rights, but any long term bet like that is an experiment when you try it.


I pay the same amount as any Anime premium member, and I get about 120 Series (from whom 10% are simulcasts, that makes more or less 12)

And if you are talking about series, you cannot lump catalog titles and simulcast titles together.

They don't cost the same to Crunchyroll. The catalog titles are a lot cheaper, because the home video distributors are using them to try to sell some more DVDs, and because the subtitling has already been done, and because the materials are handed over in one set, instead of a week at a time. When they are done as a package deal, that cuts down on the contracting costs.

And there is no "need to pay the same" for catalog titles ~ anyone is free to sign up a month at a time to watch catalog titles, so if you are interested mostly in catalog titles, and there are only so many to watch, you could sign up for a month out of every three and pay $28 a year. Or a month out of every four and pay $21.

You can't do that with simulcasts and get the simulcast experience, so the "pay the same" question is about simuclasts, the licenses which cost Crunchyroll the most to obtain on a per series basis.


and that's what I'm not happy about. Last week they anounced five new series, neither of them could be watched in Europe.

And nor were any of them new series. They were all catalog titles. We might like license terms set up differently in, say, 2008 ... but without a time machine, there is nothing Crunchyroll can possibly do to go back and get licenses terms set up differently in 2008. Its completely unrealistic to expect Crunchryroll to be able to get announce a single catalog title or a small package of catalog titles in Europe, based on when those titles were originally licenses overseas, and how many members there are in any one of the many different distinct license regions in Europe to support a second, third, fourth, fifth, or sixth contract.


I can't watch Sword Art Online, Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun or Btooom! and I supose there are more (wich are simulcasts)
Of course they have to care more about their main income of business but that doesn't mean that they have to neglect the lesser parts. Or am I wrong?

You are wrong about the neglecting of parts of the world that do not get the larger number of simulcasts.

We know that they do not "neglect" any part of the world because of the weird combinations of regions they get for different series. The Americas and Europe except the French and Spanish speaking media markets. Free to North America, the Nordic Countries, the Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand, paid worldwide outside of Japan. The Americas, Europe and the Mideast. The Americas, Australia/NZ, UK/Eire, Nordic/Netherlands, Brazil/Portugal ...

... all those weird combinations of countries prove that they are trying as hard as they can to get every country that they can talk their negotiating partner into, in each of their contracting talks. They can't be "neglecting" anybody in Europe, Africa, or the Middle East, if people from those regions are getting some special contracting terms aimed to getting them access to more anime.

The part of the world that have the strongest claim to be "neglected" is Asia. The only series they get are the ones that are "worldwide outside of Japan". But even there, it would be easier to go for rights that were "worldwide outside of Asia".
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zeeman_es wrote:
The arithmetics tell me that without the smaller number of people who pay their membership to CR and aren't from the USA or Canada, the price of tthe licenses would be the same, the price of the website servers would be the same but the cost of the membership for these two countries would increase.

Like most legitimate companies that stream video, Crunchyroll contracts with a third part company (currently Akamai) to provide the content delivery network (servers) one actually streams video from. With no streaming outside the US and Canada, CR would have no need to pay for availability on CDN servers in other countries.

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KIMI NI TODOKE?!?!?! Wow, nice one CR!! Awesome!
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