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Nyanako wrote:
As I said last thread, they should give international customers cheaper premium memberships, since we're subsidizing the North Americans to watch all this great anime...

People complaining about not getting series is one thing, but claiming that they "subsidize" North American viewers is so off base is actually makes me mad.


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Yay! I've seen them both and I'm a fan of both!!!
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Kimi ni Todoke!!! I am freaking out right now! Thanks so much CR! Yeah I'll check out Toradora as well
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Not that I really expected otherwise, but if all of the titles you're announcing are US/Canada only anyway, couldn't you say so in the first place. .3.
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im definetly going to buy toradora on dvd its the best anime ever because its voice acted by rie kugumiya the best tsundere actor or should i say queen of all tsundere girl's!! top 4 shakugan no shana hayate the combat butler zero no tsukaima and toradora +bonus for hidan no aria and astrotte toy or dragon crisis
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I've seen Toradora, and while I liked it, its not the type of anime I want to rewatch.

I want to try out the Kimi one though, 'cause a lot of people have talked about it.
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You guys really need to work harder on getting lisences for outside of the US..
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Posted 10/19/12

TheAncientOne wrote:


Nyanako wrote:
As I said last thread, they should give international customers cheaper premium memberships, since we're subsidizing the North Americans to watch all this great anime...

People complaining about not getting series is one thing, but claiming that they "subsidize" North American viewers is so off base is actually makes me mad.




Well, we pay the same amount each month as you but we get less content. Still makes you mad?
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I really hate NISA for ruining the news for me. I really fking hate you NISA. I hate you. Now, it's the right time to spend more money and buy the parallel-import Kimi No Todoke, Toradora, WORKING'!! S1 and Arakawa Under the Bridge. Thanks to the licencing, I have to spend more money than everybody else.

/end rant

I am currently pissed off at this news because I can't watch it myself for a much cheaper value. Srsly, my collection of anime can go as high as $1000 because stuff here is expensive. ;/

/end one other rant
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lym81 wrote: Can you not get anything for Europe? I'm seriously considering not subscribing anymore if you can't get any titles for us.

See below, but quick answer is ... for catalog titles like these, no.

Its hard to get simulcast titles for Europe outside of the UK, Netherlands and Nordic countries. Lots of licensors organize their rights in Europe by language area, which makes getting rights harder. There are dedicated streaming companies in the UK, which can grab UK rights, and in France, which can grab French rights. Sometimes home video distributors get rights ~ that's why Gintama is blocked in Spain. Animax Europe anime rights get in the way. The subscriber numbers are lower, which make for a lower Minimum Guarantee.

Because of that, I've long argued that for people who only get one or two series they want to watch, Crunchyroll ought to have a "Select" service where someone pays one month's subscription for three month's access, and picks two series they want to premium access to for that season.


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keikawa wrote: Like this entire week's announcement titles, this will only be available for US and Canadian audiences only.
Holy shit,Brazil never broadcast these biggest animes -.-

These "catalog" titles are almost entirely series licensed by North American DVD/BD distributors. They only have the North American rights in the first place, so Crunchyroll can only get the North American rights from them.

Sometimes the Japanese licensor will license out "English Language Country" rights (US, Canada, UK, Ireland, Austalia, New Zealand, South Africa) ... but then the North American licensors try to sublicense to a Australia/NZ and a UK distributor.

North American distributors never pick up South American rights, so they'll never have Brazilian rights available for Crunchyroll.

The only time Crunchyroll has been able to get broader rights was when they licensed a sequel series and picked up the first one as a catalog title. Two times, Crunchyroll seems to have been able to get the extra rights bundled as part of the simulcast deal.


Caneno wrote: Question: Hulu has the rights for all most all your new shows and old ones, and now your getting shows that been on there for along time now, same with shows from Netflix.

(1) Don't confuse simulcasts and catalog titles. Simulcasts are a mix of direct licenses from Japan and sublicenses from companies who have got the licenses from Japan. The licenses this week (except the butt biting one) are all catalog titles, so while they are "new to Crunchyroll", they are series that were originally broadcast in previous seasons.

(2) Don't confuse what shows up in Hulu and shows that "Hulu had licensed". Anime on Hulu are licensed by the company who has that channel ~ Funimation streams a lot of anime as a Hulu partner, NIS streams some anime as a Hulu partner, The Anime Network streams some anime as a Hulu partner.


what is your connection? are you all using the same license broker or what?

So the connection is most likely a company has the license to stream, is using their streaming rights to stream on Hulu, and Crunchyroll has talked to that company and convinced them to stream the series on Crunchyroll as well.


also do you not have a lot of European people on this website also? that our investing the same amount to see that they still cant watch a lot of your shows, would think you could get less anime for the few and good amount for the masses.

There are two problems. (1) The European rights holders might not be interested in doing a deal with Crunchyroll, and (2) even if they are, they might not be willing to sublicense at a rate that Crunchyroll can afford and (3) each contract has to cover its contracting costs ~ to both sides ~ out of the revenue associated with the contract. So double contracting doubles the contracting costs. Triple contracting triples the contracting costs. The extra revenues from Europe will certainly not cover their own contract costs for a catalog title.

The broader rights that Crunchyroll picks up are all on a single contract, so the European members or South American members or Australasian members do not have to cover additional contracting costs. That allows smaller markets to get access to streaming rights that they could never afford to get if they tried to go it alone.


Or brake this website up, make this N C S America and Canada, and then have Crunchyroll.uk for European people and then the money they invest would be for Licenses for shows for them, for they can get more anime they want.

Except they would not get more, they would get much less, because then the European members have to cover the cost of the second site, and so the minimum guarantee that could be offered for European rights would drop. Smaller MG, fewer licensors will accept it.
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TheAncientOne wrote:


Nyanako wrote:
As I said last thread, they should give international customers cheaper premium memberships, since we're subsidizing the North Americans to watch all this great anime...

People complaining about not getting series is one thing, but claiming that they "subsidize" North American viewers is so off base is actually makes me mad.




You're quite right, CR should be paying whichever company a set figure per X views, so if 1,000 people watch a show then CR would pay $1 or something to the company involved, as the show isn't available outside the US then CR won't be paying them $1 for us non-Americans who are not watching it. CR though should be paying the company this stuff called money to get the rights to the show, it's more than likely it's a bit more expensive to get the rights for outside the US so that's just a bonus.

However, we pay exactly the same amount as you do but are able to watch considerably less anime which naturally should equate to more money for CR to invest in new shows. We pay more, get less so you can pay the same and get more, so you're also quite incorrect (unless of course all the money that CR makes from regions they don't release into gets stuck into a pot to get anime for our regions....... - if that isn't the case then yes, we're subsidizing you).
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TheAncientOne wrote: People complaining about not getting series is one thing, but claiming that they "subsidize" North American viewers is so off base is actually makes me mad.

But its an understandable confusion, so there's no point getting mad.


Lexxuk wrote: You're quite right, CR should be paying whichever company a set figure per X views, so if 1,000 people watch a show then CR would pay $1 or something to the company involved, as the show isn't available outside the US then CR won't be paying them $1 for us non-Americans who are not watching it. ...

You are forgetting some things, though:

First, royalties are not the only cost. There is the licensee's contracting cost, subtitling cost, and mastering cost, all of which are "overhead" type costs.

Second, the Minimum Guarantee has to be enough to cover the contracting cost of the licensor, and the cost to the licensor of providing Crunchyroll with the materials.

So this season, UK members are getting about 20 simulcasts. The contract costs, subtitling costs and mastering costs of 20 simulcast streaming anime is much higher than the subscription revenue from UK members. So the only way that UK members are getting that many titles is because the larger US market is covering most or all of the overhead costs.

Plus, since the UK rights are on the same contract as the US rights, and Crunchyroll only has to get one set of materials to stream to both the US and the UK, the extra MG offered to allow UK members to see it doesn't t have to cover the material and contracting cost to the licensor ... its extra net revenue to the original licensor, so even though the revenues from the UK are smaller, they are enough extra money to persuade the original licensor to include the UK in almost all direct licenses.

Now, for sublicenses, just like catalog titles, Crunchyroll has to depend on the main licensee getting right outside of North America, or else Crunchyroll can't sublicense them. So the UK is cut out of more of those, since not every original licensee picks up the UK rights.
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You're quite right, CR should be paying whichever company a set figure per X views, so if 1,000 people watch a show then CR would pay $1 or something to the company involved, as the show isn't available outside the US then CR won't be paying them $1 for us non-Americans who are not watching it. CR though should be paying the company this stuff called money to get the rights to the show, it's more than likely it's a bit more expensive to get the rights for outside the US so that's just a bonus.

However, we pay exactly the same amount as you do but are able to watch considerably less anime which naturally should equate to more money for CR to invest in new shows. We pay more, get less so you can pay the same and get more, so you're also quite incorrect (unless of course all the money that CR makes from regions they don't release into gets stuck into a pot to get anime for our regions....... - if that isn't the case then yes, we're subsidizing you).

Do you seriously believe that the only costs associated with acquiring a title are a set fee per view?

Do you think negotiating the contract is free? Do you think subtitling costs are free? Do you think infrastructure costs such as having a content delivery network in your country or region are free?

The simple fact is that the U.S. and Canada, which are almost always licensed as block, have a very large population. Meanwhile, the companies that license anime tend to like to carve Europe up into small regions or even individual countries. Except for the UK, English also isn't the dominant language, so the potential audience in those countries or regions is reduced even more.

If you really think that the costs are the same and therefore you should be getting the same number of titles per dollar, then point me to another company operating in your country that successfully streams anime Crunchyroll, and tell me what they charge per title. (If they are free but have ads, then CR costs the same, as they have free viewing with ads of course). Meanwhile, I can point you to at least 3 other companies in the United States that stream anime (not including Hulu), and the two that have a premium service that charges within a few cents to about $1 per month of what CR does, and none of them do so outside the United States and Canada.
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Well I own the Nisa box set for torandora but gald folks will get to see a great show!
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Only complaint: Toradora is only featured in 480p or SD. I was hoping for 720p, personally. It's a minor quibble that I'll surely get over because it shows pettiness on my part.
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