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Post Reply New Catalog Titles: Toradora and Kimi ni Todoke
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Posted 10/22/12

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keikawa wrote: Like this entire week's announcement titles, this will only be available for US and Canadian audiences only.
Holy shit,Brazil never broadcast these biggest animes -.-

These "catalog" titles are almost entirely series licensed by North American DVD/BD distributors. They only have the North American rights in the first place, so Crunchyroll can only get the North American rights from them.

Sometimes the Japanese licensor will license out "English Language Country" rights (US, Canada, UK, Ireland, Austalia, New Zealand, South Africa) ... but then the North American licensors try to sublicense to a Australia/NZ and a UK distributor.

North American distributors never pick up South American rights, so they'll never have Brazilian rights available for Crunchyroll.

The only time Crunchyroll has been able to get broader rights was when they licensed a sequel series and picked up the first one as a catalog title. Two times, Crunchyroll seems to have been able to get the extra rights bundled as part of the simulcast deal.
But Kimi No Todoke and Toradora anime versions don't have any rights in Brazil,Brazil's anime market worsing and worsing on a each day -.-



Now that he said it, the same happens in the rest of Latin America. Beyond the limitation of availability on Crunchyroll, the anime's market excluding Crunchyroll is even worst. So, is exists any chance for Crunchyroll to acquire catalog titles for our region someday? Can anybody explain me this, please?
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Posted 10/22/12 , edited 10/22/12

akai_ryu wrote:


Yagami-chin wrote:


agila61 wrote:

Yagami-chin wrote:

keikawa wrote: Like this entire week's announcement titles, this will only be available for US and Canadian audiences only.
Holy shit,Brazil never broadcast these biggest animes -.-

These "catalog" titles are almost entirely series licensed by North American DVD/BD distributors. They only have the North American rights in the first place, so Crunchyroll can only get the North American rights from them.

Sometimes the Japanese licensor will license out "English Language Country" rights (US, Canada, UK, Ireland, Austalia, New Zealand, South Africa) ... but then the North American licensors try to sublicense to a Australia/NZ and a UK distributor.

North American distributors never pick up South American rights, so they'll never have Brazilian rights available for Crunchyroll.

The only time Crunchyroll has been able to get broader rights was when they licensed a sequel series and picked up the first one as a catalog title. Two times, Crunchyroll seems to have been able to get the extra rights bundled as part of the simulcast deal.
But Kimi No Todoke and Toradora anime versions don't have any rights in Brazil,Brazil's anime market worsing and worsing on a each day -.-



Now that he said it, the same happens in the rest of Latin America. Beyond the limitation of availability on Crunchyroll, the anime's market excluding Crunchyroll is even worst. So, is exists any chance for Crunchyroll to acquire catalog titles for our region someday? Can anybody explain me this, please?
In these next coming days the PT-BR version of CR's site is released,I'm so hope for it's starts a CR's catalog only for Brazil e.e

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Posted 10/22/12 , edited 10/22/12

mendo_shutaro wrote: Toradora was made in HD, and aired in HD in Japan. Anime hasn't been made in SD for many, many years now.

As the BD market has more important than DVD in the past two years, much more is being mastered at 720p, 810p and 900p, with arts assets at resolutions of from 540p up through to the mastering resolution ...
... but as recently as three years ago, large number of series were mastered at 540p (960x540) because of the relatively simple upscale it offered to 1440x1080 anamorphic for HD broadcast. (150% horizontal upscale, 200% vertical upscale).

For a 2008 vintage show, it would be unlikely to be mastered at 640x480 SD screen ratio, but being mastered somewhere in the "sub-HD" 540p to "first tier HD" 720p range would not be at all unusual.


Yagami-chin wrote: But Kimi No Todoke and Toradora anime versions don't have any rights in Brazil,Brazil's anime market worsing and worsing on a each day -.-

Yes, but they were licensed in US/Canada, which is the people that Crunchyroll got these rights from. These North American distributor only have US and Canada rights available, they cannot give Latin American rights.

If the original Japanese company has the Latin American rights, and NIS America has the US/Canada rights, then it takes two different contracts to get the different countries for the same series. And that contract cost is the hard thing to cover without more Latin American subscribers.


akai_ryu wrote: Now that he said it, the same happens in the rest of Latin America. Beyond the limitation of availability on Crunchyroll, the anime's market excluding Crunchyroll is even worst. So, is exists any chance for Crunchyroll to acquire catalog titles for our region someday? Can anybody explain me this, please?

There are three ways.

(1) A package deal with the original rights holder. If Crunchryoll can find a set of titles still held by a single Japanese licensor that (A) Crunchyroll already has the series for somewhere else, so there is no extra video encoding costs, just the Spanish subtitling, and (B) the Latin American rights are not yet picked up, and the package is big enough, spreading the contract costs across enough different series might make it work.

(2) A shared rights deal with some other streaming site to get broad global rights for a package of titles, where Crunchyroll and the other site share the costs of paying the Japanese rights owner enough to cover their contract costs. The most realistic partner at this time is Viki.

(3) The subscribers in Latin America grow to a large enough total number to be able to start covering the costs of a second contract.

I'd think of (1) and (2) as patches to ease the problem ... the long term solution is (3).
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agila61 wrote:

Yagami-chin wrote: But Kimi No Todoke and Toradora anime versions don't have any rights in Brazil,Brazil's anime market worsing and worsing on a each day -.-

Yes, but they were licensed in US/Canada, which is the people that Crunchyroll got these rights from. These North American distributor only have US and Canada rights available, they cannot give Latin American rights.

If the original Japanese company has the Latin American rights, and NIS America has the US/Canada rights, then it takes two different contracts to get the different countries for the same series. And that contract cost is the hard thing to cover without more Latin American subscribers.
Souka but the PT-BR version of CR's site was released few hours ago,now I'll pray for better changes on rights e.e
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I agree I live in the Netherlands and we pay the same amount of money as the US and Canadian but i think we don't even have the 1-3 of the anime they have. we should ask CR to reduce the amount of the price what we should pay because we have less anime! or some of you is drama ~_~
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Posted 10/23/12 , edited 10/23/12

Yagami-chin wrote: Souka but the PT-BR version of CR's site was released few hours ago,now I'll pray for better changes on rights e.e

If it gets more members from Brazil and Portugal, then it actually will help lead to better changes on rights.


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I agree I live in the Netherlands and we pay the same amount of money as the US and Canadian but i think we don't even have the 1-3 of the anime they have. we should ask CR to reduce the amount of the price what we should pay because we have less anime! or some of you is drama ~_~

Contract negotiation costs are a big part of Crunchyroll's total costs for a series, and the contracting costs are spread across all the subscriptions in the countries that get the rights. So spending extra time to get the Netherlands or the Nordic countries or Latin America added to a contract costs more, per series, per member from those country, than just getting North American rights cost, per series, per North American member.

Its the digital equivalent of shipping costs, but it goes according to the number of members in each contract area, rather than going according to distance.

Also, you're "one third" figure isn't exactly right. The "same price, fewer anime" complaint is about simulcasts, not about catalog titles, so the "one thirds" is just untrue. The Netherlands has a majority of the simulcasts that Crunchyroll is doing: 14 out of 24 is three fifths, not one third.

Why is the "same price, fewer anime" only really about simulcasts? As far as catalog titles, everyone who is watching mostly for catalog titles is free to tailor their subscription cost, by only subscribing one month every year, or half year, or three months. People are free to subscribe only to anime and not to drama, so it doesn't apply to "North America gets all the dramas, why do I have to pay for dramas".

So the "same price, fewer series" is only really about simulcasts.



For people in areas that really do have one third the number of simulcasts or less, which is Western, Central, Eastern and Southern Europe, Africa outside of South Africa, the Middle East and Asia, I think that Crunchyroll ought to offer a "Sampler" subscription. The sampler subscription would allow you to watch the first two episodes of any series that goes to your region, ad-free and HD if available, and then you could pick three months worth of episodes from any two series. It would be a three month subscription that costs the same as a one month anime subscription.

That would boost the subscription views in the underserved areas, and increase the revenues from those areas, making it easier to get more series that serve those areas.
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...only six episodes?...
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Posted 10/23/12

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...only six episodes?...

What are you talking about? I just checked Toradora and Kimi ni Todoke both have more than six episodes up already.

Broken Blade "only" has six episodes, but its an OVA, and the episodes are 55min long, so its more content than the usual one series anime with 12 to 13 episodes.
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agila61 wrote:


KingGreggules wrote:

...only six episodes?...

What are you talking about? I just checked Toradora and Kimi ni Todoke both have more than six episodes up already.

Broken Blade "only" has six episodes, but its an OVA, and the episodes are 55min long, so its more content than the usual one series anime with 12 to 13 episodes.


The poster meant "only six" for free members. I don't see the problem with that. Crunchyroll(and likely NIS America too) would benefit from more subscribers, and this may provide more incentive for some to subscribe to Crunchyroll. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but NIS America would get better royalties from subscriber views than ad-supported views. So obviously if the poster wants to see more than the first six, then I would recommend that he/she subscribe to Crunchyroll.
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I like your opinion and facts
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pistolsaf wrote: The poster meant "only six" for free members.

Aha, they meant to ask, "only six episodes for free members?"

If royalties are a share of gross revenues, then yes, royalties on subscriber views would be worth much more than royalties on advertiser supported views. Streaming ads generate substantially less than a penny per ad-view.

North American members may not be aware of it, but in many parts of the world, its common for a couple of series each season to be only available to subscribers. That's because streaming ad rates are even lower in some other parts of the world, and there is a more limited number of advertisers. Ixion Saga DT is the example this season, with free streaming to US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK&Eire, the Nordic Countries, the Netherlands and South Africa, but available to subscribers worldwide outside of Japan.
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Blead40 wrote:

I agree I live in the Netherlands and we pay the same amount of money as the US and Canadian but i think we don't even have the 1-3 of the anime they have. we should ask CR to reduce the amount of the price what we should pay because we have less anime! or some of you is drama ~_~


There's something wrong when we get fewer shows than them but pay the same amount, i agree. If it was a discounted price, fine, but as long as this stands i wont be a premium subscriber.

Netflix just came to Denmark, with roughly the same amount of content and even some exclusives that America doesn't get! Making the "rights issue!" excuse doesn't hold up in this day and age.
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like your comment!!! but we also don't have Netflix it isn't available in the Netherlands >-<
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Netflix just came to Denmark, with roughly the same amount of content and even some exclusives that America doesn't get! Making the "rights issue!" excuse doesn't hold up in this day and age.

I note you didn't mention that the price there is 79 kr, which is currently US$11.79 (compared to $7.99 in the United States).

Some people may differ with your assessment of "roughly the same amount of content":
https://plus.google.com/106909838320943141098/posts/PbzmYpY27jg

I haven't found any numbers on how many titles Netflix has there, but this AP story from April reports 60,000 for the service here in the United States.

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