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Post Reply Your opinions on Islam and Muslims in General?
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I'm a atheist and I think religion needs to stay in people's private lives where it belongs. As long it is out of politics and you don't shove it down people's throats(UK Muslims trying to enforce shariah law, husbands forcing their wives to wear the burka) I could care less if you're muslim.

As a athiest I think you all know what my worldview is on religion in general is.I find it irrational.But I do believe in freedom for religion and think the burka ban in France for example is wrong.
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Examples [of teachings of violence]? The historical context of these verses endorse offensive violence against the 'non-believers' until they acknowledge religion is for Allah, that being said...

"And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter... and fight them until fitnah is no more, and religion is for Allah" (Qu'ran, 2:191-193).

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not" (Qu'ran, 2:216).

'Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have." (Sahih al-Bukhari, 1:8:387, see also Sahih al-Bukhari, 1:2:25)

What laws and what beliefs? Where? The actions and words of Muhammad, sanctioned by Allah, are held to be immutable, and his teachings to be inviolable. That being said... check out Sharia Law, adopted and implemented by many Islamic nations- I'm sure those are the laws he was speaking of. Continued below...

What outdated beliefs? Religious censorship and theocracy (The Satanic Verses, Sharia Law), polygamy (Bukhari, 5:268), antisemitism (Bukhari, 4:52:177), entrenches inequality (Bukhari, 1:6:301)... to name a few.

Where [does it condone sex with children]? To name a few instances, the consummation of Aisha, 9 year-old girl, and Muhammad- Bukhari (58:234), Muhammad bathing with and fondling his child wife, Aisha- Bukhari (6:298), etc. Evidently, Muhammad, the perfect man, actions and words sanctioned by Allah, the one true god... molested and had sex with a 9-year-old child. Muslim (8:3460)- [Muhammad] asks, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?". Needless to say, Muhammad, the perfect man, condoned sex with children.
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What are your impressions on Muslims?
Did those impressions come through media or actual research?
What do you know about Islam?
What do you know about the connection of Islam with Christianity and Judaism?


I have no impressions of islam or muslims one way or the other. just like every other religion it has it's extreamists who use it as an excuse for their own personal ideas, and those who don't.

actual research, the media tends to be bias towards the political goals of whoever is in charge at the time.

more than most people I know (including a few muslims) I guess you could call me a schollar of faith. I've studied religions from all around the world abrahamic beliefs, celtic, native american, shino-japanese, aboriginal and more.

short answer islam evolved from christianity in the same way christianity evolved from judaism which evolved from cannaite religions.

personally there are many things I don't agree with in islam which many of it's detractors use as excuses to bash it, but those detractors also fail to realise those same things appear in the christian bible and the jewish torah, the reason that we don't hear about them in those religions is because just like many modern muslims they are moving beyond that. people complain that islam opresses women, that it condones rape and murder.... so does the bible, but what people fail to realise is that modern muslims are pushing past that with many muslim countries giving equal rights to women. yet you'd never hear these same detractors speaking out against mormons despite the fact that it wasn't that long ago that a mormon commune was found to be treating it's women as little more than slaves, where young girls were forced to marry men 3-4 times their age and the mormon texts state that women should only make dinner and pop out babies and have no education and anyone who doesn't have pure white skin is sinful yet you'll rarely hear anyone making a noise about them simply because they're a christian orginisation.

**for the reccord I have nothing against the vast majority of mormons just the small number who use their belief as an excuse for such behaviour**

to quote farscape "religions are grand lofty ideals, religious people however....."

I have nothing against any religion what I do have a problem with however is people who use their beliefs as an excuse to stoke their own ego or to deny others their fundemental rights.
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Found this in Quran 2:62 Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

I cannot judge a person based on skin pigmentation , religion, region, sexual orientation , or gender. IMO generalizations are dangerous.
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Nice one mate it says some 90% similar in the quran or did u find the verse?
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I cannot judge a person based on skin pigmentation , religion, region, sexual orientation , or gender. IMO generalizations are dangerous.


You can't judge individuals based on their religion.
But you CAN judge the religion itself.






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with many muslim countries giving equal rights to women.

yet you'd never hear these same detractors speaking out against mormons.


What "many muslim countries" are those?

And yes, you won't hear those same detractors speaking out against mormonism.
You WILL however hear detractors from mormonism speak out against mormonism.

And it's not like you never hear criticism against christianity. Criticism against christianity is everywhere.
It's just that it doesn't become as big of a deal because everyone knows christianity causes a lot of crap, and it's not a sensitive subject because everyone agrees with it.

What IS a sensitive subject is criticism against Islam, which many people see as "islamophobia". As if merely criticising a religion makes one a phobic. By that religion, there would be lots of "christiophobics" in the world as well.
Political correctness is bullcrap.
And is exactly why islam NEEDS to be criticised even more. To break down that wall and to make it okay to criticise it.
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What are your impressions on Muslims?
I feel that Muslims (or any faith that's based on Islamic principles) are no different than any other organised religion. It's one of the most practised religions in the world; which should just go to show that it's not exactly an (quote/unquote) "evil" religion (as most that flip out over it would try to say otherwise). There are practitioners of the Islamic faith all over the world; not just in the Middle East. It's simply a stereotype that people feel they should believe: that all Muslims/Islamic people are Arabs. This is completely untrue.

Did those impressions come through media or actual research?
Coincidentally, I've had a relationship with a woman from Saudi Arabia who practised and followed the Islamic belief. Due to me being on the search for some sort of spiritual resonance with something, I decided to study and involve myself with the religion myself. Eventually, I came to realise that it wasn't the religion (rather, no religion to date) that best suited me overall. So I would have to say that the majority of my knowledge of the Islamic/Muslim belief comes from personal research, experience, and understanding.

What do you know about Islam?
I'll just retort to stating the basics, to make this easier. The Qur'an is the holy scripture that practitioners follow, similar to the Catholics/Christian "Holy Bible". There are other scriptures to take in consideration as well. You have Abraham's Scrolls (The Scrolls of Abraham), Book of Yahya/Kitab, and Moses' Scrolls (Scrolls of Moses). More importantly than any of the aforementioned, the Sunnah, which is the book that expresses the "belief system" of the religion. The Sunnah basically illustrates what the "Holy Prophet Muhammad" believed and condoned throughout his travels as a prophet. Islam states that there is an "end of days" (judgement day) according to the Qur'an. There's a fair amount more about Islam to cover; yet, this is more of a basis of "do you understand, or are you simply misguided in what this religion is about?" question.

What do you know about the connection of Islam with Christianity and Judaism?
All three of these religions believe in the same, unified "God". Christianity believes that Jesus was/is the "Son of God". Judaism and Islam do not believe this to be the case. Each religion has many of the same people mentioned throughout their holy scriptures (Jesus, David, Adam, Moses, Abraham, so on and so on). Also, the core values remain the same throughout all three religions (stance on majority of topics are identical).
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Personally, as an Atheist myself, I feel that people are entitled to believe what they want to believe. Science isn't far off from being its own form of religion; it doesn't explain everything, it merely speculates on a lot of topics (see: quantum mechanics). Most religions have had a "dark past" in some fashion or another. The Catholic church took its toll on humanity throughout the Middle Ages, exploiting people for their lack of education on reading or otherwise. Nitpicking at specific versus of scripture is only asking for trouble. People, as usual, love to interpret statements made hundreds and hundreds of years ago. Since the beginning of religion, a lot of negative things have happened in the name of "God" - yet, it's still an essential part of people's lives. That's a fact that nobody can ever really deny.

As for Atheism, it's become more of a "fad" now to classify oneself as an Atheist. It's more so apathy, than an admittance of lack of belief in some type of a deity. If anything, it's much like how Wicca/Paganism was during the 90's - the "in thing" of that time. My mother raised me in a Wiccan household; yet, she started following that belief long before I was born. Apathy is something most of us have a problem with. The entire "Oh well, I don't care. It doesn't bother me, so who cares?" mentality is a third of the problem with what's wrong with the world we live in currently. Sadly, it's only growing as time progresses.

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I'd rather not pick sides, its more of a specific person than an entire religon, everyone has there own views on life.
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My opinion is that Islam is a religion.
...Like all other Religion out there, it is based on unfounded claims about the world.

The sooner we get rid of it the better it would be for mankind. Same applies to all other Religion.
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I think muslims are admirably loyal to their religion which turns to a dangerously threatening obsessiom.
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al-noral wrote:

I think muslims are admirably loyal to their religion which turns to a dangerously threatening obsessiom.


It's so interesting that you bring that up! Muslims are so devoted to their beliefs and teachings, it's remarkable! But I also feel like the entire Muslim population has been given a negative image because of what small groups of people have done! I mean, a large portion of "Christians" in America are also very bad people and do very evil things, we just overlook the fact that they're Christian :b Considering people that live within the Arab Spring are all predominantly Muslim, all of the "bad" people that do evil things are also Muslim.

Muslims are misunderstood and brought down by the people that do evil things in the "name of Allah" in order to make it seem "acceptable" when it may just be a cover to begin with.

Anyway, I've been a Christ follower for about two and a half years and often I've wondered if we all serve the same God (waaaat). One fact that really got me interested in is that the angel that came down from heaven to tell Mary she was pregnant was named "Gabriel" according to scripture. In that light, the angel that came down to speak to Muhammad was ALSO NAMED "GABRIEL"

Makes you think, doesn't it?
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It's so interesting that you bring that up! Muslims are so devoted to their beliefs and teachings, it's remarkable! But I also feel like the entire Muslim population has been given a negative image because of what small groups of people have done!


In the eyes of the people who only know what they've seen from the news, yes. But once you dig into it, you'll find that the religion itself is pretty despicable in its entirety.




amlegrice
I mean, a large portion of "Christians" in America are also very bad people and do very evil things, we just overlook the fact that they're Christian :b Considering people that live within the Arab Spring are all predominantly Muslim, all of the "bad" people that do evil things are also Muslim.


No. We mustn't ignore it. Because it's the religion that causes many of the christians to be bad people.
And it's the same thing with many muslims.
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRaLcbxpIsw

Now let me ask you something... Do you think this is not the result of religion?
This scenario is quite common in muslim countries. And if you look at it, and many other examples, you'll see that it isn't just a couple people doing this. It's a mass of people. The entire village practicly coming together to do it.
Do you really believe that this is just a result of these people being genuinely evil? That so many people living in these areas are just naturally evil? I don't.

It's like with the nazis during the second world war. Do you think they were all genuinely evil psychopaths? Of course they weren't.
They had their families. They had their friends. They had their people and their pets that they cared about. They had feelings.


And yet, many of them either did, or contributed to horrible things. Inhuman things. To the point that it has in popular culture been deemed okay to murder them. "Nazis? Oh they were all subhuman scum. Kill them all!" (which in actuality is quite horrible when you think about it).
And why? Not because they were inhuman monsters to begin with, but because they were brainwashed by a dangerous ideology.
And it's the same with religion. Islam in particular.




amlegrice
Muslims are misunderstood and brought down by the people that do evil things in the "name of Allah" in order to make it seem "acceptable" when it may just be a cover to begin with.



If you've spoken to muslims (which I have, quite a few in fact), you'll eventually find that though many of the give off the fascade that they are freedom-loving people, they are actually islamists deep down who seek to make the entire world islamic, and to empose theocracy and sharia law upon everyone else. It may take a little digging, but most of them show their true colours fairly quickly.
Not all of them, but most of them.
You can even see this on the reaction that many muslims have when someone illustrates a picture of muhammed. Even when it's a non-muslim that does it, they still go berserk from it, even though it's only muslims that aren't supposed to illustrate him.

Which is not surprising seeing as how they believe in a religion that demands total, utter, blind devotion and obedience, without room for questioning.
Which is also a reason why it's such an effective tool for brainwashing as well.




amlegrice
Anyway, I've been a Christ follower for about two and a half years and often I've wondered if we all serve the same God (waaaat). One fact that really got me interested in is that the angel that came down from heaven to tell Mary she was pregnant was named "Gabriel" according to scripture. In that light, the angel that came down to speak to Muhammad was ALSO NAMED "GABRIEL"

Makes you think, doesn't it?


Islam is an offshoot of Christianity. Just like how Christianity is an offshoot (or continuation) of Judiasm.
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I only have one answer for all those questions and it is:

There are radical believers and there are non-radical believers.

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I think to judge a religion by any one adherant would be sheer foolishness. There is no way to deliniate your feelings for over a billion people and in the end this is a disgustingly reductive question.
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Gyava wrote:

I only have one answer for all those questions and it is:

There are radical believers and there are non-radical believers.



But all of them are non-radical beliefs...
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