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I muslim too i wear headscarf , sometimes I feel sad because of the stereotypes that we hear everywhere :/ , but since I don't judge anybody and I believe that everyone has his own beliefs , I don't care anymore and I don't let those stereotypes effect me anymore , but i would like if people stop judging us
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Morokkojindesu wrote:

I muslim too i wear headscarf , sometimes I feel sad because of the stereotypes that we hear everywhere :/ , but since I don't judge anybody and I believe that everyone has his own beliefs , I don't care anymore and I don't let those stereotypes effect me anymore , but i would like if people stop judging us :)


Hey,

Hope this doesn't come across as rude but why do you wear the Hijab? I was told by a Muslim friend women wear the Hijab so that men don't see them in a sexual way. But the head scarf just accentuates the eyes and many Muslim women have incredibly beautiful eyes. Seems to defeat the purpose...
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You maybe right , Why wear Hijab ?
The answer to the question is very simple – Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so.

“O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed…” (Qur’an 33:59)

Other secondary reasons include the requirement for modesty in both men and women. Both will then be evaluated for intelligence and skills instead of looks and sexuality. An Iranian school girl is quoted as saying, “We want to stop men from treating us like sex objects, as they have always done. We want them to ignore our appearance and to be attentive to our personalities and mind. We want them to take us seriously and treat us as equals and not just chase us around for our bodies and physical looks.”

A Muslim woman who covers her head is making a statement about her identity. Anyone who sees her will know that she is a Muslim and has a good moral character. Many Muslim women who cover are filled with dignity and self esteem; they are pleased to be identified as a Muslim woman. As a chaste, modest, pure woman, she does not want her sexuality to enter into interactions with men in the smallest degree. A woman who covers herself is concealing her sexuality but allowing her femininity to be brought out.
and I think that having beautiful eyes and be seen in sexual way are not the same thing , but sometimes some women hide their eyes too ,

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Posted 4/12/13 , edited 4/12/13

Morokkojindesu wrote:

I muslim too i wear headscarf , sometimes I feel sad because of the stereotypes that we hear everywhere :/ , but since I don't judge anybody and I believe that everyone has his own beliefs , I don't care anymore and I don't let those stereotypes effect me anymore , but i would like if people stop judging us :)


You like that then you have to get the millions of Muslims who demand someone to be killed for voicing a opinion that they don't like to relize that having opinions do not deserve them of death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVYDnjJ24C0

that's a lot of people not to make a dent in how we see you.
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Morokkojindesu wrote:

You maybe right , Why wear Hijab ?
The answer to the question is very simple – Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so.

“O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed…” (Qur’an 33:59)

Other secondary reasons include the requirement for modesty in both men and women. Both will then be evaluated for intelligence and skills instead of looks and sexuality. An Iranian school girl is quoted as saying, “We want to stop men from treating us like sex objects, as they have always done. We want them to ignore our appearance and to be attentive to our personalities and mind. We want them to take us seriously and treat us as equals and not just chase us around for our bodies and physical looks.”

A Muslim woman who covers her head is making a statement about her identity. Anyone who sees her will know that she is a Muslim and has a good moral character. Many Muslim women who cover are filled with dignity and self esteem; they are pleased to be identified as a Muslim woman. As a chaste, modest, pure woman, she does not want her sexuality to enter into interactions with men in the smallest degree. A woman who covers herself is concealing her sexuality but allowing her femininity to be brought out.
and I think that having beautiful eyes and be seen in sexual way are not the same thing , but sometimes some women hide their eyes too ,



Thank you for your response!

These are very well reasoned points. Would it be wrong then to assume many women wear the Hijab in the same manner as Christians of faith wear a cross; so that they might be identified as a member of their faith?

Modesty is a common virtue valued by many faiths and while I am not a person of any particular religious faith, I find myself humbled every time I learn something new that fundamentally changes a preconceived notion. I like to think Science and mathematics keeps me modest if not humbled.

Are men required to wear or do anything as a requirement of modesty? If so, what? if not, why?

I agree and empathize profoundly with a woman's wish to be treated with dignity, respect and equality. We still have issues with these very principles here in the states but I like to think we have made significant improvements. As a Muslim what is your view of women of Western Christian culture? While you have stated many women wear the Hijab so that men treat them seriously and as equals I often hear, read and see news that is contrary to those very ideals; as well as laws in Islamic countries that seem to me to rid women of rights. Is this as common as it seems?
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@Darkphoenix3450 :
No I don't like and Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]
And Also killing people is not a solution so Im not okay with that Allah says :[ That if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or to spread corruption in the land – it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind ]
so , if some people want to change something or express an opinion they can do it by a conversation based on evidences and not by forcing people to accept their opinions ,
And honestly I think that tose kind of people who give a negative stereotypes about Islam , Islam is a very good religion but unfortunately some people don't understand it very well and dn'tt apply it as it should be .

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Islam requires covering the private parts for both men and women; women must cover all body exept the face and hands, and Men the part between the navel and the knee. As required in the dress not described, nor heal what is beneath not be exciting or remarkable .
and I don't know about the other arabic countries , but the situation here in morocco is kind of nice , and women have their right and they are treated very well .
about my view before, I thought all women whether European or American, are racist and they have no principles and they are obsessed about sex and alcohol , but after talking to many people from spain france canada , I changed my mind and I knew that I was wrong and this antother stereotypes about U.S. and EUROPE . racist people are everywhere but it doesn't mean that good people don't exist !
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Posted 4/13/13

Morokkojindesu wrote:

@spacebat :
Islam requires covering the private parts for both men and women; women must cover all body exept the face and hands, and Men the part between the navel and the knee. As required in the dress not described, nor heal what is beneath not be exciting or remarkable .
and I don't know about the other arabic countries , but the situation here in morocco is kind of nice , and women have their right and they are treated very well .
about my view before, I thought all women whether European or American, are racist and they have no principles and they are obsessed about sex and alcohol , but after talking to many people from spain france canada , I changed my mind and I knew that I was wrong and this antother stereotypes about U.S. and EUROPE . racist people are everywhere but it doesn't mean that good people don't exist !


Ya, we have the same problems as the rest of the world. Still racism, We have an entire political party that uses racism as its platform. They aren't doing so well...

You aren't completely wrong in your assumption that we are obsessed with sex, but many of us see sex as a completely natural thing and nothing to be ashamed of. Some women and men use their sexuality to get what they want, while this isn't praised its not punished either.

I often have trouble seeing eye to eye with many people of faith as I don't see my sexuality as something I should be ashamed of and while I may find a woman sexually attractive I am perfectly capable of subduing those urges and recognizing her as another intelligent person. My personal view on people of faith is that if their faith betters them as a human-being and urges them to treat others with respect and kindness, this is a good thing.

I like to think there are more good rational people in the world than racists and bad people. Racists and bad people simply have louder voices, it's easy for the moderates and rational individuals to be drowned out by them.

Who is the girl standing next to you and why isn't she wearing a Hijab?


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I think I understand your opinion , even if being ashamed of sex is a complicated subject , it's due to our culture and religion and principles , and many stuffs
about my photo that is not a girl , that is japanese guy , Fire bass the bassist of Loverin tamburin ,:)
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Islam a religion that is related to Judaism and Christianity because they believe in the same god, through Abraham. The difference between the groups is how to worship god, how god is represented and who or how the story is told. A lot of conflict is created because of these differences either between these related religions or interactions with other differing religions.

Islam is a religion that views god as an all powerful and incomparable being. That Muhammad's revelations are the true words(The Koran) of god but the prophet shouldn't be raised to a level of deity. That he was only an instrument of god and that all should "submit" to the greatness of god(Allah). That the 'right' way to live is to live ones life how Muhammad lived his life or spoke about, which is conveyed in the Hadith.

After stating all that, I think Muslims have an issue in their religion/culture of accepting differences of other people and ideas.
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After stating all that, I think Muslims have an issue in their religion/culture of accepting differences of other people and ideas.


"After stating all that, I think Religion(s) has an issue of accepting differences of other people and ideas."

Fixed that for you.
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Kelliher89 wrote:


After stating all that, I think Muslims have an issue in their religion/culture of accepting differences of other people and ideas.


"After stating all that, I think Religion(s) has an issue of accepting differences of other people and ideas."

Fixed that for you.


Hahaha so true!! Everyone is told that their religion alone is the right one.
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Morokkojindesu wrote:

You maybe right , Why wear Hijab ?
The answer to the question is very simple – Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so.

“O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed…” (Qur’an 33:59)

Other secondary reasons include the requirement for modesty in both men and women. Both will then be evaluated for intelligence and skills instead of looks and sexuality. An Iranian school girl is quoted as saying, “We want to stop men from treating us like sex objects, as they have always done. We want them to ignore our appearance and to be attentive to our personalities and mind. We want them to take us seriously and treat us as equals and not just chase us around for our bodies and physical looks.”

A Muslim woman who covers her head is making a statement about her identity. Anyone who sees her will know that she is a Muslim and has a good moral character. Many Muslim women who cover are filled with dignity and self esteem; they are pleased to be identified as a Muslim woman. As a chaste, modest, pure woman, she does not want her sexuality to enter into interactions with men in the smallest degree. A woman who covers herself is concealing her sexuality but allowing her femininity to be brought out.
and I think that having beautiful eyes and be seen in sexual way are not the same thing , but sometimes some women hide their eyes too ,



Thank you for your response!

These are very well reasoned points. Would it be wrong then to assume many women wear the Hijab in the same manner as Christians of faith wear a cross; so that they might be identified as a member of their faith?

Modesty is a common virtue valued by many faiths and while I am not a person of any particular religious faith, I find myself humbled every time I learn something new that fundamentally changes a preconceived notion. I like to think Science and mathematics keeps me modest if not humbled.

Are men required to wear or do anything as a requirement of modesty? If so, what? if not, why?

I agree and empathize profoundly with a woman's wish to be treated with dignity, respect and equality. We still have issues with these very principles here in the states but I like to think we have made significant improvements. As a Muslim what is your view of women of Western Christian culture? While you have stated many women wear the Hijab so that men treat them seriously and as equals I often hear, read and see news that is contrary to those very ideals; as well as laws in Islamic countries that seem to me to rid women of rights. Is this as common as it seems?


In Islam all orders are supposed to be reasonable.
There is a story behind how that line for women to cover up even got revealed to the Prophet. Women back in the days of the prophet did not cover up at all. They were pretty open. One of the close friends of the prophet did not like this so much, as it seemed like sometimes the women were a bit too revealing, but he never really bought it up with the prohpet. However one day he goes with the prophet to eat lunch at the prophet's place along with the prophet's wife Aisha. (It was a culture for everyone to eat from one plate---the plate was sort of big but yeah) Anyways while they were eating Aisha's hand brushed against the close friend's hand and then he bought it up with the prohpet.

Im sorry I don't remember the story exactly plus I'm too tired to look up the real story word for word now, but the friend mentioned to the prophet something along the lines of how he wished girls could be a little bit more modest.

Soon later that line was revealed to the prophet, and upon hearing it the women of arabia went and started covering themselves.



Anywas interesting fact, in the bible it says for women to cover their heads in an act of modesty, no one does it tho. Also its stated as Allah made the women body beautfill and attractive.

But yes, here is my story. I was born into Islam, grew up with it---it was sort of forced on me at first, I didn;t know why I did it so I didn't appreciate it. All I knew was that I had to do it because my parents told me so. But then when I grew up, then I found out the reasons and was pretty surprised.....it made sense.

As for Hijab, I've got a pretty sad story about it. I've taken it off because I've been covering since I was 13. The moment I take it off all I get is cat calls, guys just eyeing me up left and right its so...I don't know how to explain it, I feel more secure in my burqua.
Also last year I was looking for a job over 2 months. I get called for an interview almost immediately ( The love my attitude I guess) But when they see me wearing Hijab they start avoiding me, trying to end the interview in under 5 minutes. And the worst part? THEY THEMSELVES ARE MUSLIMS.

So guess what I did? I had enough, took my scarf off, got accepted into a place in under a minute. It was too funny.

But yeah, I like my hijab, but when I want to have fun, I take it off.....I'm not the most exemplary muslim and I'm sort of in a confliction with my beliefs, I have no idea what to do, Because I love hijab, but then I love fashion----like somedays you feel like looking like some runway model.

I think its a girl thing :O

And yes men have a guideline of what they're supposed to cover too!!!!
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In Islam all orders are supposed to be reasonable.
There is a story behind how that line for women to cover up even got revealed to the Prophet. Women back in the days of the prophet did not cover up at all. They were pretty open. One of the close friends of the prophet did not like this so much, as it seemed like sometimes the women were a bit too revealing, but he never really bought it up with the prohpet. However one day he goes with the prophet to eat lunch at the prophet's place along with the prophet's wife Aisha. (It was a culture for everyone to eat from one plate---the plate was sort of big but yeah) Anyways while they were eating Aisha's hand brushed against the close friend's hand and then he bought it up with the prohpet.

Im sorry I don't remember the story exactly plus I'm too tired to look up the real story word for word now, but the friend mentioned to the prophet something along the lines of how he wished girls could be a little bit more modest.

Soon later that line was revealed to the prophet, and upon hearing it the women of arabia went and started covering themselves.



Anywas interesting fact, in the bible it says for women to cover their heads in an act of modesty, no one does it tho. Also its stated as Allah made the women body beautfill and attractive.

But yes, here is my story. I was born into Islam, grew up with it---it was sort of forced on me at first, I didn;t know why I did it so I didn't appreciate it. All I knew was that I had to do it because my parents told me so. But then when I grew up, then I found out the reasons and was pretty surprised.....it made sense.

As for Hijab, I've got a pretty sad story about it. I've taken it off because I've been covering since I was 13. The moment I take it off all I get is cat calls, guys just eyeing me up left and right its so...I don't know how to explain it, I feel more secure in my burqua.
Also last year I was looking for a job over 2 months. I get called for an interview almost immediately ( The love my attitude I guess) But when they see me wearing Hijab they start avoiding me, trying to end the interview in under 5 minutes. And the worst part? THEY THEMSELVES ARE MUSLIMS.

So guess what I did? I had enough, took my scarf off, got accepted into a place in under a minute. It was too funny.

But yeah, I like my hijab, but when I want to have fun, I take it off.....I'm not the most exemplary muslim and I'm sort of in a confliction with my beliefs, I have no idea what to do, Because I love hijab, but then I love fashion----like somedays you feel like looking like some runway model.

I think its a girl thing :O

And yes men have a guideline of what they're supposed to cover too!!!!


I was unaware of that story . Never really read the Koran(Qur’ān) as I've been told the Koran (Qur’ān) should only be read in its native langauge and I don't speak or read any archaic form of Arabic and have no desire to learn. So, I ask questions and try not to make too many assumptions as assumptions aren't terribly scientific.

Would you consider yourself a Muslim of convenience? I don't mean that as an insult as I often call myself a Christian of convenience meaning at family get-together's I respect tradition and go to church but it has little involvement in my every day life.

You mentioned men having guidelines of what they are supposed to cover. I have to admit the first thing that comes to mind is Mitt Romney and his magic underwear. :P
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I just don't get why they are so hardcore and strict about it. I have this Muslim friend and she is like terrified of her parents. Probably about to get married with some dude she neva met in her life, but that's ok cuz supposedly its the best for her .. says her parents of course.

Muslims are Ninja's. ha
I hate the fact that the dudes think their most important and treats the females like shit.
At the same time seems like the girls are ok with it cuz a man is always right .. yea? o;
pfft nigga plz.


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I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Sure, there are the radicals, but every religion, and basically every anything, has those.
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