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Post Reply Your opinions on Islam and Muslims in General?
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Posted 5/6/13

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I don't know enough to judge


I wish more people took this approach. The world would be a much better place.
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Muslim Albania was the only European country to have more Jews after then war then before. The Muslims there sheltered and protected Jews. A book by a Jewish author was written about it. http://www.voanews.com/content/muslims-save-jews-in-untold-wwll-story-111517964/132021.html


Then you have The 'Iranian Schindler' who saved Jews from the Nazis , many do not know he save much more Jews then the Schindler a movie was made about. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16190541

I think all religions have good , and bad people, and some in between.
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Posted 5/7/13

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I think all religions have good , and bad people, and some in between.


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Posted 5/13/13
They are people with different views and personalities, some very cool/weird/psychotic/emo/chill... just like every other person
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Personally I have no issues with liberal Muslims who are against the crimes that extreme Muslims are committing. Though that doesn't mean I agree with the Islamic preaching as I find (most religion) are sexist and outdated. Not to mention the paedophilia that happens in the Quran - Mohammed who was at least 40 years old when he married his third bride, a 6 years old girl, and had sex with her when she was 9. Also it is stated in the Quran that a Muslim woman is only worth half of a Muslim man, and a non-Muslim woman such as myself only worth 1/4 of a Muslim man.
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Posted 5/16/13

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Personally I have no issues with liberal Muslims who are against the crimes that extreme Muslims are committing. Though that doesn't mean I agree with the Islamic preaching as I find (most religion) are sexist and outdated. Not to mention the paedophilia that happens in the Quran - Mohammed who was at least 40 years old when he married his third bride, a 6 years old girl, and had sex with her when she was 9. Also it is stated in the Quran that a Muslim woman is only worth half of a Muslim man, and a non-Muslim woman such as myself only worth 1/4 of a Muslim man.


Aren't you technically 1/4 a man already,vertically speaking? :-P
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Aren't you technically 1/4 a man already,vertically speaking? :-P




yes. . . .
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I see Muslims the same way I see everyone in the world.
As human beings...
I never met any muslims, but the american media tries to provoke that people should be afraid or see them as a threat...

Sometimes you must learn not to judge a book by its cover.
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Islam in of itself is not evil.

However, like Christianity underwent ages back, it is struggling in finding its identity. Compared to most religions out there, Islam is relatively young. It has not had the centuries previous religions have had to try and sort out some things within itself.

As a result, a minority is being very vocal and seems to carry a lot of the focus for mainstream media when it comes to Islam. I just hope the more pragmatic minds of the faith are able to secure a greater voice in the coming years ahead and lead the extremists out of the limelight. From where I am standing, it still does not look good yet. Hopefully that will change.
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Posted 5/21/13

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Islam in of itself is not evil.

However, like Christianity underwent ages back, it is struggling in finding its identity. Compared to most religions out there, Islam is relatively young. It has not had the centuries previous religions have had to try and sort out some things within itself.

As a result, a minority is being very vocal and seems to carry a lot of the focus for mainstream media when it comes to Islam. I just hope the more pragmatic minds of the faith are able to secure a greater voice in the coming years ahead and lead the extremists out of the limelight. From where I am standing, it still does not look good yet. Hopefully that will change.


Christianity is STILL struggling to find it's identity. There are still innumerable branches of it, and even within the branches themselves, (like, say, catholicism) there is big dispute about how one should behave towards various subjects.
Not to mention that Islam isn't THAT young. It came to be about 600 AD, which means it has had 1400 years to sort its crap out.

The problem is that islam is a religion with a lot of messed up teachings. Teachings that bleed over and corrupt its followers. Even the ones that aren't vocal extremists. There is more to this than what one see the extremists do.
True, there are pragmatic minds of the faith, and they should be respected, as all people should. However, the pragmatic minds will not be able to do anything in the grand scheme of things.
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botogamer wrote:

Islam in of itself is not evil.

However, like Christianity underwent ages back, it is struggling in finding its identity. Compared to most religions out there, Islam is relatively young. It has not had the centuries previous religions have had to try and sort out some things within itself.

As a result, a minority is being very vocal and seems to carry a lot of the focus for mainstream media when it comes to Islam. I just hope the more pragmatic minds of the faith are able to secure a greater voice in the coming years ahead and lead the extremists out of the limelight. From where I am standing, it still does not look good yet. Hopefully that will change.


Christianity is STILL struggling to find it's identity. There are still innumerable branches of it, and even within the branches themselves, (like, say, catholicism) there is big dispute about how one should behave towards various subjects.
Not to mention that Islam isn't THAT young. It came to be about 600 AD, which means it has had 1400 years to sort its crap out.

The problem is that islam is a religion with a lot of messed up teachings. Teachings that bleed over and corrupt its followers. Even the ones that aren't vocal extremists. There is more to this than what one see the extremists do.
True, there are pragmatic minds of the faith, and they should be respected, as all people should. However, the pragmatic minds will not be able to do anything in the grand scheme of things.


I don't know about that. I mean I see where you are coming from. Going back to Christianity, yes its split up into multiple factions but in terms of the wide discrepancies in patterns and behavior it is much more muted compared to centuries past. But I digress. With regards to Islam, I think the pragmatists can work something out. It is the same with Christianity. Sure people may spout radical things here and there but all it really is fluff. There are no real significant portions being suicide bombers or executing of gays in the streets. Those days are past. The same can be said for Islam someday. I know it came about in 600 AD, but that is 600 years that Christianity had to work things out and 1000s years difference for other religions. That is why I said relatively. In terms of religion in general, they tend to grow very slowly compared to other historical institutions. When looking at historical patterns and in comparison with other faiths, this point is very crucial. Anyways thats my two cents worth, hope it offers some food for thought... or not haha
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My own personal feelings about Religion and religious places is that Religion like marriage and family is an Institution devised by man to regulate the society and its behavior.In the olden days ,while people were coming out of a barbaric existence and moving towards civilization, they needed some kind of a guidance which was provided by the leaders and more powerful men within their community. Man began by worshiping nature since nature was all powerful against the fury of which he had no power.But as things stand today, Religion has become all powerful with its leaders trying to gain importance and power by instigating their followers to hate and divide people. In my opinion Religion has outgrown its uses and is slowly on its way to becoming a menace to the society...
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Posted 5/22/13

botogamer wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:


botogamer wrote:

Islam in of itself is not evil.

However, like Christianity underwent ages back, it is struggling in finding its identity. Compared to most religions out there, Islam is relatively young. It has not had the centuries previous religions have had to try and sort out some things within itself.

As a result, a minority is being very vocal and seems to carry a lot of the focus for mainstream media when it comes to Islam. I just hope the more pragmatic minds of the faith are able to secure a greater voice in the coming years ahead and lead the extremists out of the limelight. From where I am standing, it still does not look good yet. Hopefully that will change.


Christianity is STILL struggling to find it's identity. There are still innumerable branches of it, and even within the branches themselves, (like, say, catholicism) there is big dispute about how one should behave towards various subjects.
Not to mention that Islam isn't THAT young. It came to be about 600 AD, which means it has had 1400 years to sort its crap out.

The problem is that islam is a religion with a lot of messed up teachings. Teachings that bleed over and corrupt its followers. Even the ones that aren't vocal extremists. There is more to this than what one see the extremists do.
True, there are pragmatic minds of the faith, and they should be respected, as all people should. However, the pragmatic minds will not be able to do anything in the grand scheme of things.


I don't know about that. I mean I see where you are coming from. Going back to Christianity, yes its split up into multiple factions but in terms of the wide discrepancies in patterns and behavior it is much more muted compared to centuries past. But I digress. With regards to Islam, I think the pragmatists can work something out. It is the same with Christianity. Sure people may spout radical things here and there but all it really is fluff. There are no real significant portions being suicide bombers or executing of gays in the streets. Those days are past. The same can be said for Islam someday. I know it came about in 600 AD, but that is 600 years that Christianity had to work things out and 1000s years difference for other religions. That is why I said relatively. In terms of religion in general, they tend to grow very slowly compared to other historical institutions. When looking at historical patterns and in comparison with other faiths, this point is very crucial. Anyways thats my two cents worth, hope it offers some food for thought... or not haha


Alright, let's assume then that Islam would need as much time as christianity did to sort itself out. That would mean we'd have to deal with their crap for another 600+ years. That's over half of an entire millennia. And why +? Well because christianity is STILL not good.
Sure, they may not have as many terrorists, but there are more bad aspects to a religion than its terrorists.

Look at the United States for instance. A country that is relatively well developed in most aspects. And yet, gay people are still not allowed to marry in many of the states. They are still being persecuted by the overwhelming amount of christian people, often to the point of suicide. And kids are being disowned by their parents on the same ground.
Many states are close to theocracy, with young earth creationism being taught as if it was science.

And look over at countries like Russia, where the church supports the corrupted government, leading to of course, homosexuality being illegal, but also to a simple Punk band being imprisoned for daring to speak against it.
And what about the catholic church? Arguably one of the most corrupted and hypocritical organizations in the world, controlling a massive flock of mindless followers to do their bidding. And of course, the condom issue. Which does incredible damage where many could've been saved. Only because of some stupid religious idea.

And it's not like christianity is technicly against the death penalty either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill

I totally get your point, but there's simply too much wrong, even with christianity today. And to have patience for islam to do reach the same level, which still wouldn't be good enough, is... Well, I guess there's not really much one can do about it. But in my opinion, it'd be better if Islam was just wiped off the earth entirely.
Then again, that goes for pretty much every religion. But islam in particular.
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You type a lot you know that? Hahaha

Alright I guess I'll just go in order. Uhhhhh I guess for the 600 thing, its not necessarily that this will last 600 years. Christianity was not always undergoing a period of war and persecution. It was episodic in nature more or less. Plus there are other historical factors that must be considered. Technically speaking for a region (the Middle East) with not real background in democratic habits, a lot historians would have said to you that it would take substantial time for it adopt that institution, especially after failing to do so after the 3rd Democratic Wave. Still the Arab Spring occurred, and while no nation yet can really be called a liberal institution, historically speaking, they have made tremendous progress, despite the setbacks. Other things for consideration may be stuff like the world is moving steadily on the path of ending "extreme" poverty and may have the means of addressing it within 30 years or even less possibly. There is many factors occurring and so far these people have been behaving very unpredictably. So it is hard to say what direction these people will go and if it will take them 600 years to do so.
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Ok I'm ready. So anyways. Moving onto Christianity. And for that matter religions in general, I humbly suggest that it may be too narrow to look at religion in this light. Yes homosexuality is frowned upon in areas of the US such as the south and parts of the midwest especially. However these kinds of persecutions have been taking place long before Christianity came around, granted some cultures accepted gays like the greeks. Actually I do give props to some of the early Christians in the day as they helped offer asylum to homosexuals and welcoming them into the fold. In terms of the trends of the United States, it is very much so moving towards the direction of same sex marriage. It is getting closer to the historic threshold of states passing same sex marriage to move the Congress to act on it as well. Developed nations all move at some pace one way or another. A few european nations (some of whom passed gay marriage) have approached their immigration problems in a rather inhumane manner in comparison to US policy, or some nations like switzerland are still dealing with a good degree of racism in retrospect to the US. Or even take the UK where it was only until about a year or two ago did they finally make it so that a person was free to insult a public official. By the way, yes I agree the Catholic church is corrupt but you may be exaggerating with the whole blind followers doing their bidding. They have much less control than you think. Most Catholics disagree with all the teachings with the hierarchical church. Its funny because the Catholic church was frustrated with all the Catholic hospitals in Arizona and pulled their funding because they would not follow their teachings. The hospitals are still run by Catholics and are doing just fun.
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Alright back to my original point, I believe it is too narrow to see religion this way. Sure you could get rid of religion, and I guarantee you, the world will still be the same. What the evil people in the world do with religion, they will simply find something else. The Soviets did with communism, Kim Jong Un did it with his own self-praisal, The United States moved its people to invade a country for the sake of "freedom." It was democracy that go Mussolini in power and it was democracy that encouraged and enforced slavery in the United States and England. We see non-profit charity groups who take their donations and only use 5% of their earnings on actually helping the needy, kind of like the humane society does to a degree. My basic point is that people can turn good things into ugly things and that people will find ways to get the masses to follow them, be it religion or not. Religion has done its share of things, from being one of the movers of democratic ideals such as equality with writings of the gospel and philosophers such Augustine and Aquinas, to offering charity work, to challenging governments like Oscar Romero in El Salvador, The Soviet Union with Pope John Paul II, or the emerging protestants who challenged the inequality and corrupt governments in the 16th and 17th century. There is both good and evil in the world my friend. We just need to be vigilant and lift the good in the world lest evil arises.

Oh god I've been typing for so long I've forgotten most of what I said haha. Ok new plan my friend. Since I don't want to type this much again. Let us only talk about the stuff we disagree with. I agree with you, there is a lot of messed up stuff in religion. Quite a few Muslims are being crazy right now. Yes some Christians are strongly against gays in the United States (and other countries). And yes the church in Russia can go %^&% itself haha. Did I miss anything? I hope not. Anyways I appreciate the discussion. But damn it if you make me type this much again I'll kill you haha.

Jk, seriously thanks for the talk. It has been really enriching so far, I mean that. It is for the sake of a better world that we should strive to engage in these dialogues. Anyways sorry for making you read so much, I don't even want to read what I typed haha. For doing that though, you sir are awesome!
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Well.. With what happened several hours ago, I guess we're going to have to brace for another argument here again.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/05/22/man-killed-in-reported-machete-attack-in-london/
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