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Post Reply Your opinions on Islam and Muslims in General?
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Islam a religion that is related to Judaism and Christianity because they believe in the same god, through Abraham. The difference between the groups is how to worship god, how god is represented and who or how the story is told. A lot of conflict is created because of these differences either between these related religions or interactions with other differing religions.

Islam is a religion that views god as an all powerful and incomparable being. That Muhammad's revelations are the true words(The Koran) of god but the prophet shouldn't be raised to a level of deity. That he was only an instrument of god and that all should "submit" to the greatness of god(Allah). That the 'right' way to live is to live ones life how Muhammad lived his life or spoke about, which is conveyed in the Hadith.

After stating all that, I think Muslims have an issue in their religion/culture of accepting differences of other people and ideas.
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Posted 4/16/13 , edited 4/16/13

Kelliher89 wrote:


After stating all that, I think Muslims have an issue in their religion/culture of accepting differences of other people and ideas.


"After stating all that, I think Religion(s) has an issue of accepting differences of other people and ideas."

Fixed that for you.
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spacebat wrote:


Kelliher89 wrote:


After stating all that, I think Muslims have an issue in their religion/culture of accepting differences of other people and ideas.


"After stating all that, I think Religion(s) has an issue of accepting differences of other people and ideas."

Fixed that for you.


Hahaha so true!! Everyone is told that their religion alone is the right one.
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Morokkojindesu wrote:

You maybe right , Why wear Hijab ?
The answer to the question is very simple – Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so.

“O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed…” (Qur’an 33:59)

Other secondary reasons include the requirement for modesty in both men and women. Both will then be evaluated for intelligence and skills instead of looks and sexuality. An Iranian school girl is quoted as saying, “We want to stop men from treating us like sex objects, as they have always done. We want them to ignore our appearance and to be attentive to our personalities and mind. We want them to take us seriously and treat us as equals and not just chase us around for our bodies and physical looks.”

A Muslim woman who covers her head is making a statement about her identity. Anyone who sees her will know that she is a Muslim and has a good moral character. Many Muslim women who cover are filled with dignity and self esteem; they are pleased to be identified as a Muslim woman. As a chaste, modest, pure woman, she does not want her sexuality to enter into interactions with men in the smallest degree. A woman who covers herself is concealing her sexuality but allowing her femininity to be brought out.
and I think that having beautiful eyes and be seen in sexual way are not the same thing , but sometimes some women hide their eyes too ,



Thank you for your response!

These are very well reasoned points. Would it be wrong then to assume many women wear the Hijab in the same manner as Christians of faith wear a cross; so that they might be identified as a member of their faith?

Modesty is a common virtue valued by many faiths and while I am not a person of any particular religious faith, I find myself humbled every time I learn something new that fundamentally changes a preconceived notion. I like to think Science and mathematics keeps me modest if not humbled.

Are men required to wear or do anything as a requirement of modesty? If so, what? if not, why?

I agree and empathize profoundly with a woman's wish to be treated with dignity, respect and equality. We still have issues with these very principles here in the states but I like to think we have made significant improvements. As a Muslim what is your view of women of Western Christian culture? While you have stated many women wear the Hijab so that men treat them seriously and as equals I often hear, read and see news that is contrary to those very ideals; as well as laws in Islamic countries that seem to me to rid women of rights. Is this as common as it seems?


In Islam all orders are supposed to be reasonable.
There is a story behind how that line for women to cover up even got revealed to the Prophet. Women back in the days of the prophet did not cover up at all. They were pretty open. One of the close friends of the prophet did not like this so much, as it seemed like sometimes the women were a bit too revealing, but he never really bought it up with the prohpet. However one day he goes with the prophet to eat lunch at the prophet's place along with the prophet's wife Aisha. (It was a culture for everyone to eat from one plate---the plate was sort of big but yeah) Anyways while they were eating Aisha's hand brushed against the close friend's hand and then he bought it up with the prohpet.

Im sorry I don't remember the story exactly plus I'm too tired to look up the real story word for word now, but the friend mentioned to the prophet something along the lines of how he wished girls could be a little bit more modest.

Soon later that line was revealed to the prophet, and upon hearing it the women of arabia went and started covering themselves.



Anywas interesting fact, in the bible it says for women to cover their heads in an act of modesty, no one does it tho. Also its stated as Allah made the women body beautfill and attractive.

But yes, here is my story. I was born into Islam, grew up with it---it was sort of forced on me at first, I didn;t know why I did it so I didn't appreciate it. All I knew was that I had to do it because my parents told me so. But then when I grew up, then I found out the reasons and was pretty surprised.....it made sense.

As for Hijab, I've got a pretty sad story about it. I've taken it off because I've been covering since I was 13. The moment I take it off all I get is cat calls, guys just eyeing me up left and right its so...I don't know how to explain it, I feel more secure in my burqua.
Also last year I was looking for a job over 2 months. I get called for an interview almost immediately ( The love my attitude I guess) But when they see me wearing Hijab they start avoiding me, trying to end the interview in under 5 minutes. And the worst part? THEY THEMSELVES ARE MUSLIMS.

So guess what I did? I had enough, took my scarf off, got accepted into a place in under a minute. It was too funny.

But yeah, I like my hijab, but when I want to have fun, I take it off.....I'm not the most exemplary muslim and I'm sort of in a confliction with my beliefs, I have no idea what to do, Because I love hijab, but then I love fashion----like somedays you feel like looking like some runway model.

I think its a girl thing :O

And yes men have a guideline of what they're supposed to cover too!!!!
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Posted 5/3/13 , edited 5/3/13

VeniVidiVici- wrote:

In Islam all orders are supposed to be reasonable.
There is a story behind how that line for women to cover up even got revealed to the Prophet. Women back in the days of the prophet did not cover up at all. They were pretty open. One of the close friends of the prophet did not like this so much, as it seemed like sometimes the women were a bit too revealing, but he never really bought it up with the prohpet. However one day he goes with the prophet to eat lunch at the prophet's place along with the prophet's wife Aisha. (It was a culture for everyone to eat from one plate---the plate was sort of big but yeah) Anyways while they were eating Aisha's hand brushed against the close friend's hand and then he bought it up with the prohpet.

Im sorry I don't remember the story exactly plus I'm too tired to look up the real story word for word now, but the friend mentioned to the prophet something along the lines of how he wished girls could be a little bit more modest.

Soon later that line was revealed to the prophet, and upon hearing it the women of arabia went and started covering themselves.



Anywas interesting fact, in the bible it says for women to cover their heads in an act of modesty, no one does it tho. Also its stated as Allah made the women body beautfill and attractive.

But yes, here is my story. I was born into Islam, grew up with it---it was sort of forced on me at first, I didn;t know why I did it so I didn't appreciate it. All I knew was that I had to do it because my parents told me so. But then when I grew up, then I found out the reasons and was pretty surprised.....it made sense.

As for Hijab, I've got a pretty sad story about it. I've taken it off because I've been covering since I was 13. The moment I take it off all I get is cat calls, guys just eyeing me up left and right its so...I don't know how to explain it, I feel more secure in my burqua.
Also last year I was looking for a job over 2 months. I get called for an interview almost immediately ( The love my attitude I guess) But when they see me wearing Hijab they start avoiding me, trying to end the interview in under 5 minutes. And the worst part? THEY THEMSELVES ARE MUSLIMS.

So guess what I did? I had enough, took my scarf off, got accepted into a place in under a minute. It was too funny.

But yeah, I like my hijab, but when I want to have fun, I take it off.....I'm not the most exemplary muslim and I'm sort of in a confliction with my beliefs, I have no idea what to do, Because I love hijab, but then I love fashion----like somedays you feel like looking like some runway model.

I think its a girl thing :O

And yes men have a guideline of what they're supposed to cover too!!!!


I was unaware of that story . Never really read the Koran(Qur’ān) as I've been told the Koran (Qur’ān) should only be read in its native langauge and I don't speak or read any archaic form of Arabic and have no desire to learn. So, I ask questions and try not to make too many assumptions as assumptions aren't terribly scientific.

Would you consider yourself a Muslim of convenience? I don't mean that as an insult as I often call myself a Christian of convenience meaning at family get-together's I respect tradition and go to church but it has little involvement in my every day life.

You mentioned men having guidelines of what they are supposed to cover. I have to admit the first thing that comes to mind is Mitt Romney and his magic underwear. :P
Posted 5/6/13
I just don't get why they are so hardcore and strict about it. I have this Muslim friend and she is like terrified of her parents. Probably about to get married with some dude she neva met in her life, but that's ok cuz supposedly its the best for her .. says her parents of course.

Muslims are Ninja's. ha
I hate the fact that the dudes think their most important and treats the females like shit.
At the same time seems like the girls are ok with it cuz a man is always right .. yea? o;
pfft nigga plz.
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Posted 5/6/13

ChiChi06 wrote:

I just don't get why they are so hardcore and strict about it. I have this Muslim friend and she is like terrified of her parents. Probably about to get married with some dude she neva met in her life, but that's ok cuz supposedly its the best for her .. says her parents of course.

Muslims are Ninja's. ha
I hate the fact that the dudes think their most important and treats the females like shit.
At the same time seems like the girls are ok with it cuz a man is always right .. yea? o;
pfft nigga plz.


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Posted 5/6/13
I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Sure, there are the radicals, but every religion, and basically every anything, has those.
Posted 5/6/13
I don't know enough to judge
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Posted 5/6/13

Marsev wrote:

I don't know enough to judge


I wish more people took this approach. The world would be a much better place.
Posted 5/6/13

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I wish more people took this approach. The world would be a much better place.


D'aww, being apathetic is the key.
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Posted 5/7/13 , edited 5/7/13
Muslim Albania was the only European country to have more Jews after then war then before. The Muslims there sheltered and protected Jews. A book by a Jewish author was written about it. http://www.voanews.com/content/muslims-save-jews-in-untold-wwll-story-111517964/132021.html


Then you have The 'Iranian Schindler' who saved Jews from the Nazis , many do not know he save much more Jews then the Schindler a movie was made about. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16190541

I think all religions have good , and bad people, and some in between.
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Posted 5/7/13

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I think all religions have good , and bad people, and some in between.


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Posted 5/12/13
Islamic fascists have leveled civilized society in their own country and wish to do it in others. They also threaten civil discourse in our own countries [1][2]. These extremist, who think their bigotry is divine, are enemies of civil society and enemies worth fighting; they commit atrocities in their own countries and threaten the security of our own.

The Hadith, an influential islamic document says, in no uncertain terms: If a person is a Muslim, and no longer wishes to be a Muslim, you must kill them. You don't think teachings like this lead, at least somewhat, to the violence in the middle east?

Also, before my words are misconstrued, I dislike other theistic religions -- each for their own reasons, and the war in Afghanistan and Iraq are both justified on the grounds that they are part of the war in religion.

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[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy
[2] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/201_(South_Park)
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They are people with different views and personalities, some very cool/weird/psychotic/emo/chill... just like every other person
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