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Post Reply Your opinions on Islam and Muslims in General?
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Posted 11/16/14
On my orders, coalition forces have begun striking selected targets of military importance to undermine Saddam Hussein’s ability to wage war. These are opening stages of what will be a broad and concerted campaign.

More than 35 countries are giving crucial support, from the use of naval and air bases, to help with intelligence and logistics, to the deployment of combat units. Every nation in this coalition has chosen to bear the duty and share the honor of serving in our common defense.

To all of the men and women of the United States armed forces now in the Middle East, the peace of a troubled world and the hopes of an oppressed people now depend on you.

That trust is well placed.

The enemies you confront will come to know your skill and bravery. The people you liberate will witness the honorable and decent spirit of the American military.

In this conflict, America faces an enemy who has no regard for conventions of war or rules of morality. Saddam Hussein has placed Iraqi troops and equipment in civilian areas, attempting to use innocent men, women and children as shields for his own military – a final atrocity against his people.

I want Americans and all the world to know that coalition forces will make every effort to spare innocent civilians from harm. A campaign on the harsh terrain of a nation as large as California could be longer and more difficult than some predict. And helping Iraqis achieve a united, stable and free country will require our sustained commitment.

We come to Iraq with respect for its citizens, for their great civilization and for the religious faiths they practice. We have no ambition in Iraq, except to remove a threat and restore control of that country to its own people.

I know that the families of our military are praying that all those who serve will return safely and soon.

Millions of Americans are praying with you for the safety of your loved ones and for the protection of the innocent.

For your sacrifice, you have the gratitude and respect of the American people and you can know that our forces will be coming home as soon as their work is done.

Our nation enters this conflict reluctantly, yet our purpose is sure. The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.

We will meet that threat now with our Army, Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard and Marines, so that we do not have to meet it later with armies of firefighters and police and doctors on the streets of our cities.

Now that conflict has come, the only way to limit its duration is to apply decisive force. And I assure you, this will not be a campaign of half measures and we will accept no outcome but victory.

My fellow citizens, the dangers to our country and the world will be overcome. We will pass through this time of peril and carry on the work of peace. We will defend our freedom. We will bring freedom to others. And we will prevail.

May God bless our country and all who defend her.





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Posted 11/16/14
my sister is muslim and so she has a lot of muslim friends too and it's no shock that they are no different. actually racists share a viewpoint with psychopathic leaders that people should be persecuted and exterminated and then defend it with ethno centric bullshit because they can't identify with a muslim or an arab.
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What I understand about Islam is that there are different ways of practicing it. Some people choose to be more liberal and others choose to be more conservative, and others choose to be more orthodox and that's all fine to me and everything. Because I heard that people of Islam in truth are supposed to be peaceful and intelligent folks.

But then there's the ones who are trying to crusade for Islam much like the Catholics did way back in the Dark Ages, by going out and killing infidels in the name of their Allah, and I know there are a lot of Muslims who strongly disagree with that lifestyle. I don't like to condemn the whole group for the actions of a few, so if I meet someone of Islam who is respectful and kind, then I wouldn't mind being friends with them.

I study Humanities in college, so I hear about the large religions and belief systems that were established throughout history, so I'm still learning about the people of Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity/Catholicism, and Islam. In my honest opinion, a person who believes in Christianity is no different from a person who believes in Islam. It matters more how they decide to go and assert their beliefs.
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Posted 11/21/14 , edited 11/21/14

bravostribe1015 wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:



As for why islam has a bad reputation -- well, that's on account of muslims themselves. It's not just about terrorists. It's also about the silence from other muslims in regards of condemning extreme actions. Like regarding the laws of certain islamic countries like Iran, Saudi-Arabia, Pakistan, etc.
Only recently with ISIS did muslims really speak out.



I don't think they need to. No one is demanding me or other Christians to publicly condemn the actions of the IRA, Lord's Resistance Army, Scott Roeder or any of the various other Christian terrorist groups around the world. I don't see any reason Muslims should be held to a different standard.

On another note, what are everyone's thoughts on the Christian-Muslim interfaith session at the DC Cathedral Friday? I find all the outrage over it completely silly.


The difference is that here in the west, christian extremists are not the majority voice. That is not the case with muslims. When it comes to islam, the actions of the extremists are by far the ones that speak the loudest. Hell, not even that of just the extremists, but also that of the average fundamentalist fuckhead that attacks and/or kill people or make other kinds of trouble just because someone's offended them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sskbRzeu6JE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_Innocence_of_Muslims

Therefore, if the muslims truly do stand against these types of people, then they have to take a stand and make that abundantly clear.
So far, they haven't.

I do not at all think that all muslims are bad people.
However, considering how hung up many muslims are on people having respect for their beliefs, you'd think that they would do everything they could in order to improve their religion's image. One of the best ways to do that would be to publicly stand up against and denounce the violent and bigoted behaviors and views from many of their fellow muslims.

With that considered, the fact that they haven't collectively taken a stance against such behavior and views does indeed trouble me. Makes me wonder just how widespread such attitudes are throughout the muslim communities...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpeIS25jhK4
And it's not helping the muslims that truly do stand against such views and behaviors.

Also, I DO in fact expect christians to speak out against and condemn the actions of the IRA, LRA, SR, WBC, etc.
I absolutely do. I have no love for christianity either, and I expect people who want to seperate themselves from the bigotry of conservative christians to make it clear that they do.
If they desire for people to have a somewhat less negative view of their beliefs and the group they belong to as a whole, that is...
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Posted 11/21/14 , edited 11/21/14
Don't see why it's any different than any other religion, I mean, have you read the book of mormon? Basically, god colored coded his people. Dark skins was award to the wicked sinners, and light skin to the righteous. How messed up is that?
Posted 11/22/14

Syndicaidramon wrote:



1. The difference is that here in the west, christian extremists are not the majority voice. That is not the case with muslims. When it comes to islam, the actions of the extremists are by far the ones that speak the loudest. Hell, not even that of just the extremists, but also that of the average fundamentalist fuckhead that attacks and/or kill people or make other kinds of trouble just because someone's offended them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sskbRzeu6JE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_Innocence_of_Muslims

Therefore, if the muslims truly do stand against these types of people, then they have to take a stand and make that abundantly clear.
So far, they haven't.


2. Also, I DO in fact expect christians to speak out against and condemn the actions of the IRA, LRA, SR, WBC, etc.
I absolutely do. I have no love for christianity either, and I expect people who want to seperate themselves from the bigotry of conservative christians to make it clear that they do.
If they desire for people to have a somewhat less negative view of their beliefs and the group they belong to as a whole, that is...


1. http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

2. Read through this and see how much of it lines up with what conservative "Christians" preach. http://www.usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catholic-social-teaching/seven-themes-of-catholic-social-teaching.cfm

I hope that helps.
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Posted 11/24/14
It's not the religion at fault, it's the people. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't know of any religion that condones the killing of non-believers.

Some of the answers on here are not surprising. If you consider all Muslims terrorists, buck up and do some research on what self proclaimed Christians (and many other religious groups) have done in the name of religion.

I don't care what religion an individual believes in or represents. Rather, I have a problem with those that use the name of religion to get away with public corruption and violence. Their belief never mattered to me.
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They're a really interesting religious group, and the culture they've created and based around it really is neat, especially during the times of strife between their culture and that of the crusades. I'd love to learn about them but sadly my curriculum doesn't cover anything about the muslim/islamic faith or culture.
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I do not like Islam. I think it is just as useless as every other religion.

People worried about life after death too much. Worry about doing the right thing, while your alive, because it is the right thing. People that are not smart enough to find the answers, or are too lazy to find and understand the works of people who have found those answers, like religion.

Believe in people. We are what is really here. If people were responsible about their lives and interactions with others then things would be better.
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