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Post Reply Your opinions on Islam and Muslims in General?
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our religion is shinto, so it is not compared to christianity, judaism, islam and muslims. what we read and heard is only a small percentage of religious ppl are "true" in their religious beliefs. everyone else is corrupted in their power and greed and use some type of religion as their escape-goat. almost all religion is about peace to one self and earth and to others. (committing suicide in honor of one's GOD is no for of religion. it is a form of corruption that is manipulation of an evil cause. (we do not know what our great grand-uncle believe, when they throw away their lives in sake of a man who told their ppl he was a God.) which also means equality to every one and every thing on earth. it is to bring peace or reform. many ppl take this reform and simulation tooooooooooooo far. but what is there to be done? (read some history in religion) for many of us, we can not do anything. but, throwing away your life in the name of a person who you may "believe" was a descendant or prophet of God, is not the solution.

what we now so far is what we read on the internet and heard on special channel on religion. soooooooo. judaism is a very very very very old religion. their God created everything (the universe, the stars, the planets, ppl, animals, sky, land, and so on). muslim was created, because judaism was sooooooooo corrupted. christianity was also created from judaism, because judaism was sooooooooooooooo corrupted it was beyond saving. so the jewish God send someone name jesus to save them. and islam is an extreme form of muslim.

we do not know this is correct or even true. you can make your complaints or scold us later.

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Whenever mentioned it makes me sad that Muslims kill other Muslims more than any other group. Sad that people can't even respect small differences when sharing the same faith.
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well, i was threatened by arabs twice in school about 15 years ago and now i support a girl who is now in univeristy who was beten, locked up and starved by her muslim family when she refused to wear a hijab. she escpaed since her gay borther who is also an outcast form the family let her out. unfortunately, this very same girl was kicked out from her appratment just this summer when muslim men in the neighbourhood found out she is organizing girls for a study group. she moved away to a university and now is in a safer zone. this is in not in middle east, but futher east. in canada where I am from, a muslim man is now on trial in toronto for killing his wife since "as per him her parenting skills were not good any more and not that long ago there was a big trial abut 2 muslim men, a father and a brother, who drowned a mother and 3 sisters since they didn't want to keep quiet and subordinte. if a religion tells me that i have to be subordinate to a man, that i like to be a follower and that i have to listen to men and that i can't make decisions only because i am a women, you can draw your own conclusions what i am doing to stop that.
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what we believe is if you commit murder or suicide is the sake of religion, it goes against that religious belief. for someone to commit murder to one's own family is not faith of belief, it is just plain evil. unless murder is legal in that country. we also read, if you are arrested for something. they torture and men and rape the women. men are first class citizen and women are second class or same as a slave. a society like this is no peace of mind. there is no religion here, there is only submission. this society is very similar to japanese society before ww2.
for many months now we are reading the quran and bible and they a bit similar.
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i see Islam the same as I see any other religion and as I understand it Jesus was a prophet in Islam. I am non-religious myself and it makes no difference to me what other people believe in, I judge individuals by their own actions. I haven't known many muslim people in my life maybe a handful but most if not all of them seemed like decent people. I also do not buy into any of the media rubbish as it's all manipulated to give people certain impressions.
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caim5009zpxi wrote:

what we believe is if you commit murder or suicide is the sake of religion, it goes against that religious belief. for someone to commit murder to one's own family is not faith of belief, it is just plain evil. unless murder is legal in that country. we also read, if you are arrested for something. they torture and men and rape the women. men are first class citizen and women are second class or same as a slave. a society like this is no peace of mind. there is no religion here, there is only submission. this society is very similar to japanese society before ww2.
for many months now we are reading the quran and bible and they a bit similar.


I'm sorry how is it not evil even if murder is "legal" in a country?
Outside of Warfare, Self-defense, and the death penalty I got the impression all other killing was frowned upon.
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As a Canadian, I feel nothing towards Muslims and Islam.
Its a religion.
Just like Christianity, or paganism.
It's your choice, not mine. Who am I to judge anyone?
Posted 10/23/12
i have nothing against muslims personally. im a strict christian so obviously i wont convert but........idk. i guess i just think some of them are a little judgmental of ppl of other religions. like for instance, my bf broke up with me cos of religion. wat d fuck is dat????
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wonkywilla wrote:

As a Canadian, I feel nothing towards Muslims and Islam.
Its a religion.
Just like Christianity, or paganism.
It's your choice, not mine. Who am I to judge anyone?


How do you feel about honor killings in the US and Canada?
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Who gives a shit, they're just people.
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Any religion that offers a $100,000 reward for the killing of a cartoonist, must be very insecure in their faith.
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Sephis wrote:


wonkywilla wrote:

As a Canadian, I feel nothing towards Muslims and Islam.
Its a religion.
Just like Christianity, or paganism.
It's your choice, not mine. Who am I to judge anyone?


How do you feel about honor killings in the US and Canada?


And the slaying of thousands by Christians?
No religion is perfect.
No country.
No person.
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I believe they are misunderstood by those who are not of the same religion, ect. as them. Because of the actions of a few, Much of the world has alienated them. Many people think that because only a few indivduals act as they do, the religion or the descent is bad as a whole, and fail to recognize the richness of their culture.
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Hokage_4 wrote:

Well... My question is simple but for some people its really hard to answer.

What are your impressions on Muslims?
Did those impressions come through media or actual research?
What do you know about Islam?
What do you know about the connection of Islam with Christianity and Judaism?

The reason I started this thread is because a lot of people have very negative views about Muslims and Islam in general. Mostly Americans (No offense) . I am a Muslim for those who are wondering and I want to know your opinion because in Canada I haven't really seen any religious .

One thing to keep in mind. Please think before you give me your answer. I would like to hear a logically well explained answer if you want to give one.

You can also state whatever you like. You are entitled to you opinion.

BTW Mod if this is a thread that is not to be made... Please do delete it as I do not want to cause a verbal riot :)


(emphasis and colours; mine)

RED: To be fair, the question “how long is a piece of string?” is simple too. ;)

BLUE: I'm not sure 'impressions' is the word you want to use. We receive impressions everyday of our lives. We are free to adopt or reject those impressions as we draw conclusions and form opinions. I will try to answer both the question you actually asked and the one I THINK you wanted to ask.

My impressions of Islam are manyfold. Food restrictions, prohibitions on alcohol. The black Civil Rights Movement in the United States. Islamic peoples (Arab, Persian, Pakistani, Turkish etc.) and their associated baggage. (Arab Oil, Pakistani relations with India and Afghanistan, Iranian hostage crisis and the Ayatollahs, Mustapha Gemal) Women -required- to wear -something- (be it a kerchief or a full on HazMat suit)
Movies, (The Sinbad the sailor series, Lawerence of a Arabia. Etc.) Terrorism (yes, the world Muslim and/or Islam DOES conjure up images of Terrorism for me. But then so do the words Northern Ireland, or for American Christians; Oklahoma City)... I could go on but a comprehensive listing of all the impressions that words like Muslim or Islam evoke is beyond the scope of a simple forum posting.

My conclusions however: Hmmm... Islam is not single monolithic entity. Just as there are Christians who openly support and sanctify gay marriage and Christians who burn other religions holy books. Christianity includes many variants. Like The Amish, who reject many technologies and live in communities with a lifestyle little different from that their great-great-great-grandparents had. Also Christian are groups Such as The Mormons or The Jevhova's witness, who some view as cults. The Seventh Day Adventists stand out among christians for celebrating Saturday instead of Sunday as the Sabbath. American Baptists differ very greatly from Canada's biggest protestant religion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Canada ).

So too with Islam. I'm a aware of the Sunni/Shia split of course. But there are also groups like the Ahmadiyya (who consider themselves Muslim even though they cannot legally refer to themselves as such in states like Turkey) about whom wikipedia says:

“For many modern nations of the world, the Ahmadiyya movement was their first contact with the proclaimants from the Muslim world” -(Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmadiyya)

I know 'Islam' is supposed to be the word for peace. I suspect, however, for some Muslims it means “peace through the conversion of all to Islam” though this makes them little different from many Christians.

I know Islam is about 800 years younger than Christianity. Eight hundred years ago, 'Christendom' and what we now call the western world were essentially synomymous terms. Eight hundred years ago Christianity had almost, finally given up on crusades, and was instead about a century or two short of embroiling itself in decades of sectarian violence that would culminate in the “Thirty Years War” which ended with the treaty of Westphalia in 1648 ( the treaty that set the paradigm for modern relations between European Nations and eventually the nations of the world)

I know 'CRUSADE' was an absolutely stupid word for A US president to use when refering to the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq. For Europeans 'Crusade' conjures up romantic stories of brave knights such as 'The Song of Roland' or the hagiographic adventures of 'Richard the Lionhearted'. For Americans it more probably evokes General Eisenhower's speech of a 'Great Crusade' against Nazi-Germany just prior to D-Day.

In the Muslim world however, especially in the middle east. Crusade and Crusader are epithets for blood thirsty invaders, Men like Tankred ( Leader of the First Crusade) who massacred Muslims after the successful siege of Jerusalem, to name just one...

Er... so what do I think of Islam? I think for the most part it's like every religion. I think it is more youthful and vigourous than many of it's large competitors for the faith of people and I think that gives it both postive energy and room for excessive sanctioned violance and oppression. However peaceful and tolerant most Muslims may be, there are loud voices in Islam in positions of apparent authority who do the religion no credit. It would be nice to hear those voices defied from within the Muslim community for a change.

I also think, that insult/disrespect to Islam/Muhammed equals riots in certain countries and the deaths of people only tangentially related to those commiting the insult. A thought that does not engender respect from me.

YELLOW: Yes. ;]

But seriously, the media has influence. Do I listen to rants by jackasses from Fox News? No. Fox news cannot even put together a localised program that is acceptable to the Canadian Radio Telecommunications Commision. Something AL- Jazeera was able to do. Let me repeat that. Al-Jezeera managed to put together a Canadian Branch of it's station to be legally broadcasted in Canada, Fox either cannot or will not.

But my opinion is influenced by reports of honour killings, by spokesmen who think women can 'deserve rape' because of what they wear, by the fact that the men who brought down the world trade center considered themselves devout muslims. How can I not be?

Of courses it's from 'the media' (another vague term that can mean ALL sources of information other than direct verbal witness) that I learned that Cassius Clay, changed his name to Muhammad Ali presumably because he found fulfillment in The Nation of Islam, (and later Sunnism). Hardly a bad thing.

I've also spoken personally with an Ahmadiya who came to Canada to avoid the 'Death Squads' of mainstream muslims (his words) in his home country.

I live and work among many “Persians” (As Iranians who retain their ethnic identity but distance themselves from the current regime in Iran refer to themselves.) We don't converse about faith on the job so I am making an assumption that they are Islamic and not Zoaraster. But we do discuss current events, Women's rights, gay rights, Ethnicity and Citizenship. (I hate getting called a 'real Canadian': if you have your passport it's a real passport and you're a REAL Canadian citizen. That's how this country F-ing WORKS)

My experience with the Koran is passing at best. Though I've read any number of quotes and excerpts thrown at me from, Defenders, Apologists, Haters, and Atheists. All claiming that their quote/passage proves some point or disproves one from the other side of the fence. This is in keeping with my experience with the Christian Bible, of which I have greater familiarity but still witness it's twisting to suite the needs of whomever is speaking.

I've also relied a lot on Wikipedia to provide references to the things of which I speak here, and to help my aging memory with dates and other specifics that escape me from time to time (Say, when WAS the pelponesian war?)


GREEN:

Islam: AKA Muslim, Mohammedan

“Young” religion (approx 800 AD), Holy book: Koran, Holy City: Mecca (most holy city perhaps. Jerusalem has import too, not to mention Medina), Prohibits alcohol, Prohibitions on certain meats and their preparation( HALAL) , not entirely unlike the Jewish 'Kosher' regulations (Standard Desert food safety rules?) . Principal Holy person (after god): Muhammed. Principal religion of the Theocracy of Iran. One of the principal Religions in Darfur, Main Religion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan etc.

NOT the religion of the ruling party in Syria who are commiting daily atrocities against people who mostly ARE Muslim.

ORANGE: “People of the Book” is the phrase I've heard often used. It means Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same monotheistic God. (JHVH, Jehova, Allah) but disgree on the nature and arrival of his human.. avatars. For Jews the Messiah has yet to arrive. For Christians he was Jesus Christ. For Islam Christ was not the deified 'son of god' so much as he was a 'holy man', a prophet. The last Prophet being Muhammed.

PURPLE: Canada is not America. The latter is a great country but it does indeed have a different culture than ours. I think, overall, we are more friendly and welcoming country (minus the inevitable individuals who defy the general rule) our biggest demand:

“leave the violent shit back where you came from.”

otherwise we really don't care. We just want to get along. Canadian identity is based on a CIVIC Nationalism, not an ethnic one. (well except for some extremists in Quebec.)

I hope this was well thought out enough for you. I, myself, have been pleasantly surprised by the LACK of verbal riot on this thread.

The Anonymity of the internet and the fact that only 3% of face to face human communication is in the text of our words, tend to lead to both deliberate Jackassery and unfortunate misundertandings that are easily inflamed. So kudos to the crunchy roll posters who aren't part of THAT trend.

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Well as someone whose actually read the Koran and doesn't attribute everything I know about Islam to mass western media I'm indifferent to it. Every religion has got it's extremist. Organized religion has always been the perfect catalyst for promoting violence and hatred and if someone thinks that any one religion is the exception they are delusional.
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