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Give me the scripture for the sabbath statement and the scripture for the shrimp(never heard that one before).


I dont care what ''most'' say. I care what god says and i find it very hypocritical of you to be sitting there squenching your eyebrows at the fact that i just said that. If i wasnt christain(think GOD i am), I would still never like something that tells you to beat your wife for disobeying.

Allowing things that should not be allowed is picking and choosing what you are okay with my friend. Faith is not cutting eachother down, it is taking the first step even if you cant see the whole stair case so dont make definitions by what you think is true, that is true blindness.

Because you asked, sure.

Regarding the Sabbath: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+31%3A12-15&version=ESV

Regarding shrimp, as well as crab, mussels, clams, and lobster, as they do not have fins and scales: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Lev.+11%3A9-12&version=KJV&language=en There's also http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+14%3A9-10&version=KJV&language=en

Both are punishable by death, and it's right in the text. I do not agree that a man should beat his wife for disagreeing with her, obviously. However, I also don't agree that people should be put to death for eating shrimp, either. Again, just because it is written, does not mean it must be followed. Otherwise, if you've ever eaten shrimp, crab, etc. then you're supposed to die. That's the problem with saying the Bible must be followed word for word. Taken literally, anyone who works on Sunday must die, whether or not they're a Christian. Okay, there goes the majority of the population. Then what? What purpose does that serve? Does that include some of your family? Then you just condemned them to death by thinking we have to follow it. And no, it's not a stupid argument, it's picking and choosing what to follow, or not. That's the point. If you're okay with eating the seafood mentioned, you're just as guilty of picking and choosing as I am. And there's NOTHING wrong with that.

I'm not wrong in saying that faith can be used to cut others down. It has been used in just that manner - the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, and the list goes on and on. My point on that was two fold. It can be used that way, and it doesn't have to be so. People often choose to use the differences in faith to be exclusionary, or to take away the rights of others based upon their own religious beliefs. Well, what about the rights of those who do not want their freedom of choice taken away? Religion should never be used as a basis to determine legal policy, in a society with people of many faiths and cultures of origin.


For the Sabbath part. There is a big difference between the old and new testament. Also lets clarify something, Jews dont believe jesus is the true son of god. In the new testament jesus clarifies that He is jesus by using the sabbath. He did what he wanted with the sabbath and this actually seperated a lot of christians from jews because they refused to have faith in what he was doing on sabbath. He clarifies in the new testament that all you have to do on the sabbath is worship.

For the shrimp part. Wow, i have defended a lot of things in the bible but your telling me that theres a difference between scails and shells? Anyway the tail on a shrimp is its fin. if not, thats the finiest tail ive ever saw(funny) because thats the way god created them. Do you think that back in the day they could tell the difference between a fish tail and a shrimp tail. If you look closely on a shrimp tail, it has little flaps on its tail so if you dont call that a fin than whatever. For the clam and crab part you may possibly be right but you are forgeting something so obvious, the bible clearly says that God forgives those that truly believe and follow in him so the part about me condeming my family was completely cancled out.
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Liberal Religious people: Fine people.

Conservative religious people who think that the place they live in has to be a theocracy. (read an article where they will be peaceful to bid their time until every place will practice Islam while following the laws of the land)....... on second thought... you don't wanna know.
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Well, you're proving my point that just because it is written, it doesn't necessarily have to be followed. So whether or not you wanted to prove that point, you did exactly that. And because that goes back to your original statement regarding the Qur'an, then it also stands to reason that men do NOT have to beat their wives for disagreeing with them, just because it was written...which was my point regarding that specific statement.

My points regarding the Sabbath and shrimp were a poke at the Biblical Literalists. The fact that you stated that because it was written, it must be believed (and by extension, followed) made me interpret you as one of those literalists. These are people who say everything written in the Bible is the immutable Word, and must be followed to the letter...even in the places where it very clearly contradicts itself. As you pointed out, there is a difference between the Old and New Testaments, and we do agree there.

I also stated that if the passages linked were taken literally, and were not subject to reinterpretation, then the consequences laid out (i.e. condemnation and death) would be the result. So again, we're picking and choosing what to follow. And again, that's fine. The Bible is immutable, in part because it is contradictory, and not everything as written verbatim benefits society today. Women are not property to be sold by their fathers, it's not a death sentence to eat clams, and so on.

I have no problem with people having faith. I do take issue when that faith is used to restrict the legal rights of others who are NOT of their faith. I do not want to live in a theocracy, nor do I want to live in a society where faith itself is outlawed. Faith and governance should be kept completely separate, as per the Establishment Clause. (I am agnostic, and I wouldn't wish for people to be prevented from worshiping as they see fit, as long as no harm is inflicted on anyone else because of it.) An unlikely scenario, I know, but it would be much preferred to the way the world is working right now.
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For the shrimp part. Wow, i have defended a lot of things in the bible but your telling me that theres a difference between scails and shells? Anyway the tail on a shrimp is its fin. if not, thats the finiest tail ive ever saw(funny) because thats the way god created them. Do you think that back in the day they could tell the difference between a fish tail and a shrimp tail. If you look closely on a shrimp tail, it has little flaps on its tail so if you dont call that a fin than whatever. For the clam and crab part you may possibly be right but you are forgeting something so obvious, the bible clearly says that God forgives those that truly believe and follow in him so the part about me condeming my family was completely cancled out.


You are disproving your own point with that statement... isn't saying that God will forgive your own way of picking and choosing? You want to live right or not at all, then getting it right in the first place may be a plus. Besides... shrimp are not fish... although there had been debate about it, the popular belief is that they are not acceptable to the average Muslim diet.

http://www.islamicacademy.org/html/Articles/English/Can_We_Eat_Shrimps.htm

There is also a huge difference between scales and shells... not only scales providing freedom of movement while shells are restrictive, but shells are actually an exoskeleton providing much of a shellfish's protection, whereas scales are just a part of a fish's external body... they actually have vertebrae.
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Well, you're proving my point that just because it is written, it doesn't necessarily have to be followed. So whether or not you wanted to prove that point, you did exactly that. And because that goes back to your original statement regarding the Qur'an, then it also stands to reason that men do NOT have to beat their wives for disagreeing with them, just because it was written...which was my point regarding that specific statement.

My points regarding the Sabbath and shrimp were a poke at the Biblical Literalists. The fact that you stated that because it was written, it must be believed (and by extension, followed) made me interpret you as one of those literalists. These are people who say everything written in the Bible is the immutable Word, and must be followed to the letter...even in the places where it very clearly contradicts itself. As you pointed out, there is a difference between the Old and New Testaments, and we do agree there.

I also stated that if the passages linked were taken literally, and were not subject to reinterpretation, then the consequences laid out (i.e. condemnation and death) would be the result. So again, we're picking and choosing what to follow. And again, that's fine. The Bible is immutable, in part because it is contradictory, and not everything as written verbatim benefits society today. Women are not property to be sold by their fathers, it's not a death sentence to eat clams, and so on.

I have no problem with people having faith. I do take issue when that faith is used to restrict the legal rights of others who are NOT of their faith. I do not want to live in a theocracy, nor do I want to live in a society where faith itself is outlawed. Faith and governance should be kept completely separate, as per the Establishment Clause. (I am agnostic, and I wouldn't wish for people to be prevented from worshiping as they see fit, as long as no harm is inflicted on anyone else because of it.) An unlikely scenario, I know, but it would be much preferred to the way the world is working right now.


I didnt want to say this because i knew it would be picked on but now im forced to. When i was 13 me and my cousin would catch and sell crawfish( it looks excactly like a shrimp just bigger)The river started to dry up and the logs were they would hide was also dried up. Me and my cousin prayed very hard about it and we had a storm that blow over trees and caused quite a lot of damage(our house was completely fine). For a couple days we were to busy cutting up trees in roads to notice but when we got done and went to the river, which we really didnt want to do, we noticed how full it was. We pulled out traps which was remarkably undamaged from the storm and they were filled to the brem with craw fish and we made a killing that year. I have some pictures somewhere but i dont have a scanner so youll just have to believe me.
Now th question is, How do you explain that?

EDIT: Just noticed how bad the grammer in this post was, my bad.
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hhhmm can't say i follow religion and don't like muslims that much because thay r just the same as any other religion greedy and think only about them selves and no other religions views only on this example i can explain basically i live in the uk last month on the news it was said mosque was denied to be built it was going to be the same or bigger size than the olyimpic stadium and thay r pissed about it but look at it this way if a catholic church was built in a country that had 99.9% muslims in it thay would blow it up or burn it down in an instant so thay should expect the same in uk don't work one way u know.
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i like pudding... is my answer to your racist bait question.
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why dos there have to be a complex view on the matter other than there just as human as any one else. people think just because a muslim was apart of 9 11 that all muslims are out to destroy gus, yes mostly us americans. Its easy to blame a race to put a face on evil. To have an easyer way to put a face to a proverbial bad guy then to know it can be any one who plants a bomb. remember the white military guy who bombed the ssi office years back before 9 11. It proves any one christen, or muslim can do an act of terror. I am sure in the middle east they put christens americans faces to the bad guy but not all. I think we fear what we don't understand or what seams to be so different than our own vies that it becomes easy to hate or judge.
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What are your impressions on Muslims?
I don't personally know any Muslims, I know a few go to the college I attend. I 'm not religous and I have a ratyher negative view of reliogion but I don''t have any ill feelings toward any religous group. I do think Muslims receive alot of dsicrimination, at least here in the U.S. Yes there are terrorist groups who claim to kill in the name of Islam but they're just a small but loud minority. It would be like equating all Christians to those people at the Westboro Baptist Church, Not all Christians do what they do.

Did those impressions come through media or actual research?
They're from my experiences in life and discussions in we have about these things in college classes.

What do you know about Islam?
Honestly not much, I took a History class on religion and we learned about things like Hajj and Eid Fitr.

What do you know about the connection of Islam with Christianity and Judaism?
Don't know about the connections
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This thread is just too.
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Hokage_4 wrote:

Well... My question is simple but for some people its really hard to answer.

What are your impressions on Muslims?
Did those impressions come through media or actual research?
What do you know about Islam?
What do you know about the connection of Islam with Christianity and Judaism?

The reason I started this thread is because a lot of people have very negative views about Muslims and Islam in general. Mostly Americans (No offense) . I am a Muslim for those who are wondering and I want to know your opinion because in Canada I haven't really seen any religious .

One thing to keep in mind. Please think before you give me your answer. I would like to hear a logically well explained answer if you want to give one.

You can also state whatever you like. You are entitled to you opinion.

BTW Mod if this is a thread that is not to be made... Please do delete it as I do not want to cause a verbal riot :)


I am an American and I am appalled at how the Islamic faith has been distorted. A handful of Muslim extremists created fear, but most people just hear the "Muslim" part. From my own research for school, the Muslims are peaceful people who do not drink, gamble, or take marriage lightly. Yes, I do know that Islam is very closely connected with Chirstianity and Judaism, including sharing fundamental ideals and beliefs. Honestly, I do not care what faith you follow, but I do care about the actions you take. As long as you are a good person, I will not disrespect you. Faith does not make you a good person. You do that by making the choice to be a good person.
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dragonroo wrote:


Hokage_4 wrote:

Well... My question is simple but for some people its really hard to answer.

What are your impressions on Muslims?
Did those impressions come through media or actual research?
What do you know about Islam?
What do you know about the connection of Islam with Christianity and Judaism?

The reason I started this thread is because a lot of people have very negative views about Muslims and Islam in general. Mostly Americans (No offense) . I am a Muslim for those who are wondering and I want to know your opinion because in Canada I haven't really seen any religious .

One thing to keep in mind. Please think before you give me your answer. I would like to hear a logically well explained answer if you want to give one.

You can also state whatever you like. You are entitled to you opinion.

BTW Mod if this is a thread that is not to be made... Please do delete it as I do not want to cause a verbal riot :)


I am an American and I am appalled at how the Islamic faith has been distorted. A handful of Muslim extremists created fear, but most people just hear the "Muslim" part. From my own research for school, the Muslims are peaceful people who do not drink, gamble, or take marriage lightly. Yes, I do know that Islam is very closely connected with Chirstianity and Judaism, including sharing fundamental ideals and beliefs. Honestly, I do not care what faith you follow, but I do care about the actions you take. As long as you are a good person, I will not disrespect you. Faith does not make you a good person. You do that by making the choice to be a good person.


Wise words.

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I think you as a muslims, you already know the connections between islam, christianity and judaism.
Good thread btw, it's shows how many people actually clueless about islam.

It's the world largest religion. Faith really do make u a better person.
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Steven Weinberg: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
Posted 12/26/12
actually good and evil is just a point of view.

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