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Post Reply Your opinions on Islam and Muslims in General?
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What are your impressions on Muslims?
Even if it supposedly has some "redeeming qualities" that supposedly make it worthwhile in some people's eyes, I think anyone who blindly goes by a book written hundreds or thousands of years ago with blatantly crude laws written in it without questioning a thing is a total moron (that includes Jews (the faith I was raised in--ps I'm now an Atheist) and Christians). I know Godlike Productions is an iffy site but this forum post cites alot of matters mentioned in the Quran (along with Hadith/Sunnah, although like Talmud, Hadith/Sunnah is kinda meh in terms of being canonical imo) that are pretty darn difficult to agree with. Verses ARE cited and I looked at a few of them. I'm lazy right now so I'll assume the rest are all correct by induction, please correct me if I'm wrong.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1979760/pg1

Thus, I think strong Muslims (as well as strong Christians and Jews) need to open their minds and stop blindly going by a book that is roughly 1.5 millennia old (or more in the case of Christians and Jews). They need to stop thinking they need to believe in such a book to live a good-natured and fulfilling life. Furthermore, I despise Sharia (Islamic by definition) law as it is implemented in other countries...Sharia makes things awful for women in a lot of places (ahem! Saudi Arabia in particular comes to mind) and stoning people for stuff like adultery (if anything, it's cruel and unusual punishment imo, prolonged death :/) under sanctioned government law is just not right, okay.

Did those impressions come through media or actual research?
Both

What do you know about Islam?
5 Pillars (Shahada, Ramadan, Hajj, Prayers and charity), some basic customs and traditions (ie: hijab), those ridiculous verses in the Quran and the injustices of Sharia.

What do you know about the connection of Islam with Christianity and Judaism?
That Muslims consider Jewish and Christian biblical figures to be past prophets and that Islam is basically god's law re-transmitted to the people of the world in its true form.
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Religion, the underlying cause of a lot of pain, misery and fear around the world or just another pretext for mans inherent desire to dominate and destroy those who are defiant the older I get the more I believe it is the latter. I find it better to live in the here and now and trying my best to follow the golden rule "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and of course watch as much anime as possible.
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I don't hate or dislike Muslim people, they have unusual and interesting culture. What I do dislike is religious nuts, who use religion to manipulate others and hide their true intentions.
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I hate theocracies... I already know that there are some religious nuts who will do the peaceful way and bid time so they can take over a nation and put their law in (namely sharia).
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dave70 wrote:

Religion, the underlying cause of a lot of pain, misery and fear around the world or just another pretext for mans inherent desire to dominate and destroy those who are defiant the older I get the more I believe it is the latter. I find it better to live in the here and now and trying my best to follow the golden rule "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and of course watch as much anime as possible.


damn dude, the pretty much sums up exactly what i was thinking before I clicked on this thread. Couldn't have said it better myself


I believe that the big 3 were created to give individuals a sort of moral compass. It encouraged people, wherever they lived at the time, to live a good and honest life. The fundamental aspects of them are similar in this way. But you can not prevent religious zealots from popping up and making a mess of things. Islamic radicals are doing now what early Christians were doing shortly after their inception over 2000 years ago. Spreading their brand of religion through fear and violence. They preach religious tolerance now, but they didnt in the beginning.

Islam is getting the short end of the stick nowadays because of the times we live in. Technology and the internet make it to easy for radical factions teaching and spreading radical interpretations to the masses with the most exposure. On top of that, strict interpretations are engrained into society and taught from the time children go to school, into early adulthood, in some of the Middle Eastern countries. Powerful people in these countries use religion as a means to oppress and control the people, they limit education and free thinking, and use them to spread the fear and violence of their interpretation of Islam to non believers.

Having said that, I feel the same way about anyone no matter their religious beliefs. If thats your thing, then its not my business. I dont think any less of Muslims (Islamists may be the better term) then I do Catholics, Christians, or Jews. I would call myself Agnostic I guess. I choose to believe in God, without adherence to a religious faction. Its a blind faith just like the rest of em. Every religion, in my opinion, has more peaceful practicing people, then it does bad ones that incite violence. But the latter sells more newspapers and gets more tv viewers.

Its like my boss always says. 'The customer never remembers when you do a good job, they always remember when you make a mistake.'



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dark_paradox_21 wrote:

You asked for an "in general" so I will give you an "in general" answer. Of course there are very good and very kind people who are followers of Islam, but as an organization, well, let me make an analogy.

The Catholic church is bar-none the world's most violent organization. Three crusades, the children's crusade, and an inquisition killed as many people -- if not more -- than Genghis Khan (at least Khan didn't claim it was Gods righteous work as he was throwing plague-ridden corpses over city walls and he only had one lifetime in which to get his killing done). If you add to that the burning of "blasphemous" books and general suppression of knowledge which led to the dark ages and all the non-violent collateral deaths caused by that, then the catholic church has the bloodiest hands of any organization still in existence by far.

The Muslims are trying to do now what the Catholics were doing 600 years ago. That's what I think of Islam. Most Islamic countries have no strong division of church and state (historically speaking, there is ALWAYS oppression when religion and politics mix). We can look at the uprisings in Libya and Egypt to see the attempts to grab political power. We can see the "holy war" called Jihad forming up the same way the crusades did. Militant Islamic leaders try to bargain political power with promises of heavenly reward just as the pope did during the crusades. Its the same old song, just a different generation of people dancing to it. If this keeps up in another century or so Christianity will have been surpassed as the worlds most violent religion.

I know this because I have read history books and I see the news now. History repeats itself, just with a different cast. As I said, there are a lot of good individuals. I am speaking on a macro level. There were a lot of good individuals during the crusades too, but for every Mother Teresa-type quietly helping others there is an Isabella starting an inquisition. History will remember the loudest voices, not the meek ones.

As to the details and tennents of the Islam religion, I have a few bits and pieces, but I am not all that interested. I have my own beliefs and I believe in free will first and foremost. I believe in God, but Freedom is my religion. Any person is free to believe whatever they wish.


In addition to my own post. I endorse this one. Well said.
Posted 12/26/12
yo bro im a muslim to and im from scotland as well, just as some brother said dis thread will go to hell real soon maybe it already has, but i respect everyones relgigion, actually my wife to be was a christian to, so religion has nothing to do with anything. As long as u respect each others beliefs its pretty much perfectly ok. So ye proud muslim here.
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I dont particularly feel one way or another towards Islam, to me its just like any other religion. I care more about how the person interacts with me, rather than what religion they follow. Religion is a matter of faith, the existence of heaven and God will never be proven, but at the same time, it will never be disproved either due. What i do have a problem is with people who believe they are right and everyone else is wrong on the subject. If i respect your views on God and divinity, i expect the same kind of respect back. As for how much i know about Islam, not much, i havent done much research if any, due to not being particularly interested in the topic of religion.

Posted 12/26/12
religion is religion don't slam it in my face and i wont hate you am not saying am not religious am a Agnosticism so all i will say do you balive in god or what not is you will get a simple DON'T NO SORRY but i hate no one i don't like religion slammed in my face am more interested in my life today not from something that's 2000 to 6000 years old or 4 billion years old
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I don't know much about it.
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I don't care if you're muslim or christian. Just don't get more people involved in your actions.
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I like them (: Some of my friends are Muslims, they're wonderful people. All religions have stupid people, you can't blame the whole religion based off of a couple ppl
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People are way more than their religion. Religion is not such a profoundly defining thing that one can be judged on the basis on what religion they ascribe to. The question "What do you think of people belonging to X-religion" is absurd from this perspective.
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I see religion as a guidance, it isn't the actual faith that is something aside from being a guiding aspect you believe in. In every religion there is many different people, what truly changes a religion is the people in power over it. because with each passing person in charge there views are always different.

Never judge a person based on religion.. judge them for the stupid stuff they do >.> at least then you can go "yep..you did a stupid"
Posted 12/27/12
I know some things about it taking into consideration how in school we took a course of world religions and i have a muslim friend. I dont think anything of them. Well i feel bad about how harshly they are sometimes stereotyped but other then that i like to no think about people to be a certain way because of a group they belong in but instead an individual by his or her actions.
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