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who will win the USA presidential election?
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Posted 10/19/12
The election is happening. just want to know who you would like to see win.
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Posted 10/19/12
You can't really know exactly who wins by one poll! That is only a few people voting!
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Posted 10/19/12 , edited 10/19/12
It be nice for people to explain their reasons behind their votes in the poll.
I haven't voted in your poll just yet.
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Posted 10/20/12 , edited 10/20/12
Obama has failed to turn the country around, Mitt will use his business experience to get the job done; Obama has allowed Al Queda to gain a foothold in Libya and murder our ambassador, Mitt will be strong on national defense; Obama forced a health care plan down the throat of Americans, Romney will allow us to choose for ourselves. Obama failed, he should be fired – no more excuses.
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Posted 10/21/12
none cuz both guys sucks ron paul or gary jonson is better
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Posted 10/21/12
if Romney wins, the americans will go into another war, mormon will be legal
Posted 10/21/12
Obama smacked ROmney the robot with TAx..
and you idiots who said Oabama hasnt done anything well sweetie it takes more than 4 yrs to fix this mess bush put us in.
Plus he's trying to do this when other people are going up against him ...

Be a fucking president .. who even wants to be the president when you got morons all over the place.
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Posted 10/23/12
OP are you aware that more then these 2 options are on the ballot?

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Posted 10/24/12 , edited 10/24/12
More than two options are on the ballot but only two options are debating because there are only two serious candidates.

Obama will and should win, I don't want the future of medicare and social security turned into a voucher system, and I don't need a completely conservative regime turning the USA into a theocracy, there's supposed to be a separation of church and state that is oh so conveniently ignored by one of our two parties. People like to talk about "big government" what is controlling a women's right to choose and restricting what we can do in our daily lives if not "big government." >_>

I just don't like the people that expected everything to be completely fixed in 4 years.. it took 16 years and a full wartime economy for arguably our greatest semi-modern president (FDR) to turn around the Great Depression...

We have a fractured stonewalling congress that has tried to block lots of legislation while forwarding pointless fluff legislation, the fact that anything got done is half a miracle.. x_x


Obama has failed to turn the country around, Mitt will use his business experience to get the job done; Obama has allowed Al Queda to gain a foothold in Libya and murder our ambassador, Mitt will be strong on national defense; Obama forced a health care plan down the throat of Americans, Romney will allow us to choose for ourselves. Obama failed, he should be fired – no more excuses.


Lets look at the last Republican candidate who ran on a lot of the same philosophies Mitt Romney is running on now, you're so quick to turn the country back over to the RepubliBushCheneys that turned this country into a social-domestic-global-economic train wreck in the first place.. The Republican party, when in power, led us into two unfunded wars and left us open to an attack HERE AT HOME.. in case 9/11 was just slightly forgotten. Obama has been a great commander in chief and has worked with the world rather than ramrodding America down the throats of the world, he has regained our global respect from a militaristic standpoint and he was more than efficient at taking out Al Qaeda (thats how it's spelled) leaders than Bush ever was. And you act like fanatics were never in Libya, they are just leftovers from the Ghadaffi regime that have re branded themselves over that label, How do you suggest we stop a nation less faceless guerrilla faction from moving along borders, we cant sanction an independent faction.. hell it's hard enough to fight them conventionally anyway.. honestly you cant.. you beat an organization like that by changing your perception in the world, you cut off their supply chain by helping people of the region and playing by their (arab league) rules, which Obama has done.. he has gone about fighting our enemies through economic sanctions in Iran and with the approval of the Arab League on the ground or through the air and with a coalition of nations.. We stopped acting like an "evil empire" and started coloring inside the lines for once.. you want to go back to strong arming the world which will just piss everyone off again.

How does America think about voting in a president that has basically gone on record as writing off near half the country in a statement... it did irrepressible harm to the Romney campaign and it doesn't matter what the context is.. Romney basically said people like you and me (50/50 shot here) just aren't worth fighting for. Ron Paul has been quieter about his statements but is more than willing to take this country back to pre-FDR setups that are terrible for the working class American.. he's gone on record saying that he's comfortable just letting us die if we have no money, after all. If you say you're broke, so you're as good as dead to Dr.Paul by that terminology. >_>

Remember, lack of oversight (which Libertarianism covets) is what got us into this mess into the first place and is what got us into the Great Depression.. it's already historic precedent.. lack of oversight and regulation has historically led to abuse of, specifically, the credit system which leads to hyper-inflation which snaps our economy in half and sends us into recessions/depressions. Bush sent us into our most recent recession, and a de-regulation private sector mogul Herber Hoover (Mitt Romney of the 1920s if you will) led us straight into the Great Depression.

Ron Paul isn't a Republican, he's a Libertarian. The party is fairly similar only it will only support COMPLETE non-restriction. It is the pre-FDR party. He takes part in the republican debates not only because he's conservative but to push his party's planks into the mainstream conservative agenda the same way more radical liberal factions (Ralph Nader) try (though more quietly) with the democratic party. He is not a serious presidential candiate and the Libertarian party will never hold the oval office, I'm more than willing to bet on it.

On Welfare and Drugs - Welfare dries up for people after a certain amount of time, they cant just infinitely collect, there are state programs that some people seem to fall back on for forever but Welfare asks for reports from people on it to detail their actual legitimate search for work among other things.

The "Huge" drug problem is something that isn't worth spending money on. Just let marijuana be, let states and local police do that stuff and just drop the damn blanket restrictions, they dont stop people, they just make them go through more dangerous channels to get what they will ultimately get anyway.. Waste of money and manpower.

On our debts to other nations and our credit rating - One major talking point of the conservative party is the scare of how much debt China owns in the US.. and the threat that they may one day completely own us and/or call in our debt.. yeah sure.. you know, after we own China... all the value of all currencies in the world comes from the debt nations own in other nations. Debt is the only thing left to value in this world economy anymore and that's why no one will ever "call in" someone's debt.. it would start a catastrophic domino effect, and would ultimately hurt the caller just as badly. And newsflash, we own a gigantic percentage of China's debt as well, it goes both ways, their money is valued as what they own in us and other countries and the same is true for our money and what we own in them.. we are the two strongest economies from an asset standpoint right now, so obviously we combined own the most in everyone.

Our Credit Rating was downgraded because of the House Republicans threatening to shut down government and not pay bills... which is the responsibility of that chamber of congress.. budgeting and making sure those bills get paid. Our rating was downgraded because we are viewed as a risk due to our congress being horribly unstable, and until we have more balance in the House that won't be changing.. neither chamber should ever have a super majority because it will be exploited by the corrupt.

And as for the talking point of rich people making the jobs, they wouldn't have any money to make jobs if CONSUMERS... middle class CONSUMERS, bought their products, Rich people don't fuel our economy or the stock market.. it is the buying power and stability of the nation, specifically its middle class backbone that keep businesses alive and generating profits for owners and stockholders. And you talk of smaller paychecks under Democratic leadership.. that depends on how you look at it.. under Republican leadership we generally make less and are taxed less, under Democratic leadership we make more and are taxed more.. we pretty much make the same either way but with the extra government revenue from higher taxes we are able to maintain and improve upon our infrastructure and MOVE FORWARD rather than stay stagnant like under conservative leadership.

Pre FDR and Unions.. we could be paid nothing and worked forever, sure unions take a bit from our paycheck but they make sure that you are not underpaid or overworked.. Georgia and Kansas until recently had a hourly minimum wage in the 3 dollars an hour area, because they were able to avoid the Government minimums for whatever reasons. Those people were taxed less.. but they were still making around $3 an hour as opposed to Washington State, for example, which annually has the highest minimum wage rate and some of the nations highest taxes.. so presume even after taxation you're still making $7-$8 an hour which is MORE THAN DOUBLE the Kansas/Georgia pre union minimum wages or pre-union pay in general.

You cant judge how much you make in the taxes you pay alone... you're missing plenty of pieces to the puzzle with tunnel vision like that.

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Just to be clear here, I've never taken money from the government.. no welfare, no student loans (haven't gone to college yet nor have I had a big drive to at this time) I work hard for a paycheck just like everyone who claims the moniker "conservative" I just know that due to those "evil democratic liberal hippie communist nazis" (popular phrase being used those Tea Partiers out there) I have a nice high minimum wage (that is adjusted yearly in accordance with inflation of the dollar, progressive democratic policy BTW) that is BOLSTERED by a nighttime differential (democratic policy) since I work the graveyard hours.

With that money I can buy nice things like food from stores including my own, gas, these fancy electronic do dads I like, meals at restaurants, a premium subscription to crunchyroll e.t.c... and contributing to the economy with each transaction I make.. the way the pay scale in my state (Washington) gives me the freedom and flexibility to be able to spend more and have a much stronger positive impact on the economy than someone in, say, Oklahoma.. a state that is annually in recession because its state economy is stagnant due to low worker wages.. despite the lax of taxation, equivalent positional workers in Oklahoma just don't have the same buying power I do, and that is by the design of their conservative leadership.

Remember as of right now, corporate profits and such are doing really well, but we aren't feeling the impact because trickle down economics doesn't work, at least not the way it used to.. with all the jobs being outsourced the way they are, all the money is "trickling down" to Singapore, Taiwan, Vietnam, and China... if it's infact being distributed at all and not being held onto by stingy, greedy, corrupted hands for the sake of the one or the few as opposed to the many that make the machine ultimately run at all."

That economic back and forth pretty much shut down the last person who was going against me in a fairly short lived debate. The truth is that when you tell someone that economic profits in the private sector are hovering around all-time highs and people, like you, say they're still hurting anyway.. that is basically admitting that the conservative idea of Trickle Down Economics IS NOT WORKING, and just doesn't work in today's world. /boom


On a lighter note:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_1B0w7Hzc
The Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama Epic Rap Battle is hilarious.
Posted 10/24/12 , edited 10/24/12
WHO CARES! seriously not even wasting a vote this year. so sick of people telling me voting is my civic duty, but neither candidate is worth a plug nickel so I'm supposed to vote for who, the lesser of two evils? Obama kept zero promises and Romney is just a good ole boy who hangs out with rich folks so neither gets my vote - it's too valuable.
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Posted 10/24/12 , edited 10/24/12

dazedandconfuzed wrote:

WHO CARES! seriously not even wasting a vote this year. so sick of people telling me voting is my civic duty, but neither candidate is worth a plug nickel so I'm supposed to vote for who, the lesser of two evils? Obama kept zero promises and Romney is just a good ole boy who hangs out with rich folks so neither gets my vote - it's too valuable.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57505315/obamas-2008-promises-kept-or-broken-/?pageNum=2&tag=page

Romney and Obama, like you and me.. are just people, we all do what we can but we're not perfect, and they both have the nations' best interests in mind because when the nation is strong we're all strong, they just have different philosopies on how to go about it.. and I just happen to vehemently disagree with the whole Republican party platform on the national level at this time, though the Republican running for Governor of my state (Rob McKenna, WA) may very well get my vote since he seems like the stronger option.

Back to promises, It's hard to keep every promise in 4 years with a congress that is firewalling your proposals, but as this article lays out, he made good on quite a few of his talking points from the 2008 campaign and has worked on pretty much everything he said he would, to say he kept no promises is outright wrong.

Remember we don't feel the effects of most non immediate government legislation for about 2-3 years on average, and all legislation is a slow going progress because our forefathers wanted everything to be well protected and coming out as streamlined and agreed upon as possible.

Choosing to just not vote is surrender, it's not like the world goes on hold, you're basically saying you don't want to have an input as to the direction of the country.. Look at the parties, look at the candidates, gauge which people you think really are fighting in your best interest for better or for worse and you should support them, or else you're putting your future in everyone else's hands.. you're only hurting yourself and likeminded individuals when you figure your vote isn't worth it... entire states have been decided by 500 or less votes plenty of times in the past, and non-voters could have easily swung the vote in another direction.. remember, all either candidate needs is 51% of your state to win 100% of it. If you give half a damn about your future, it's worth taking in the negligent amount of time it takes to vote and submit the candidates and policies you wish to support on whichever side. I can never stress that enough.
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Posted 10/24/12
Obama will win
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26 / M / Missouri
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Posted 10/27/12
I would prefer to see Gary Johnson win, but Obama probably will. I don't see how Romney could even come close.
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Posted 10/27/12
BLAH they all suck !!!!!!!!!
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23 / M / Oregon
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Posted 10/27/12
Needs to be a IDGAF option, but I picked Obama cuz he's black. Is that racist? No I just picked my favorite color, white s bland.
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