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For those who believe in physics
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Posted 10/20/12

Beltane70 wrote:

I thought that the thread title was a typo and was talking about "those who believe in psychics"!


Ha, what a coincidence, I actually thought the exact same thing.

On the other hand, it would become a great deal more readable with some editing/structure.
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Posted 10/20/12 , edited 10/20/12
Well you should look up Physics in the same Wikipedia and grasp it's the study of our universe. A physical law is based on our study of the universe. So I wondered if you even read the page you are referring me to? I also recommend you read t he wiki page on science, observation, Einstein's Special relativity and ease up on the aggressiveness. I would like you to point out exactly where I am wrong and confused and then maybe we could discuss that.

I wrote this in 30min I believe you could read this in 2min. I wonder how long it took you to post that wall of text picture? HAHA

This is the general discussion thread. If you could be so kind to correct me if I am wrong, I would appreciate it.
Where is it wrong to think about the future and paradoxes all of our greatest minds did so countless times while carefully constructing their theories.
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Physics is a series of laws. The Law of Gravity, the three laws of Newtonian Motion. Thermaldynamics, Conservation of Mass, etc. There are quite a few laws of Physics. These are usually immutable facts that have been proven over and over again. Many of these started out as theories, but as I've said they are proven and become laws.

You are mistaken in that you think Physics is the study of the universe. It is not. Cosmology is, while Physics is the study of nature. The study of matter and the minute particles that tie the world together. There is also a major difference between the Atomism which is philosophical, Classical which is where the laws of Physics originate and Modern physics which is what we know today thanks to Einstein, Hawking and other scientists.

Modern Physicists spend their time trying to prove or disprove the modern theories in order to establish them as laws. The laws that are already there have already been tested, proven, tested again, and proven again and again.

However, as it pertains to your post, you are very confused and mistaken. Computer memory is not perfect and does degrade over time. The marriage of biological and technological might yield a better human, but it would only enhance the biological not make it perfect or immortal. All things wear out and die eventually. Even machines.
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Posted 10/20/12 , edited 10/20/12
First of all I would really thank you for taking the time to give me a decent reply. I still have to say Physics is study of our universe because our universe contains in general all of those energies and matter you speak of. This study can lead to certain laws based on our statistical and probable observations. It also can be tested and therefor strengthening the theory.

I also agree on your definition of modern physics, I however am talking in general of physics.

I am not saying any of the laws are wrong, I have no right to say this without any sort of proof either.

I am sure computer memory degrade over time. I however can't see this as a flaw if we copied the memory onto backups. So what if we had a technology to transfer our data stored in our mind to a new brain and body containing the same DNA just 10 years younger? Would this not make us immortal? I mean there need more details like our current sensory inputs and such but you catch the drift of it I hope.

I can't really agree on anything being a law until we have unraveled the ToD, but I believe they are very high probability of being correct. There is just too much human don't know to stamp something as being 100% correct. I however must refrain to our current definition of laws and this is based on our current observation, statistics and probabilities we have observed.

I also have to say notice it called the ToD not the law of everything maybe for a reason Hawking calls him self a positron in otherwords he looks positively on any theory until proven wrong.

So if I am confused could you please be so kind as to point at exactly where?
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Posted 10/20/12
That is one hell of a wall.. But to answer your first question about questions (I think) Some questions are dumb. You should ask questions when you don't know the answers, but some questions are easy enough to figure out for yourself and you shouldn't need someone to tell you.

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Posted 10/20/12 , edited 10/20/12
Like I said earlier this is the general discussion thread I posted it here in hopes of discussing the subject. I might know the answer, but there is always good to have another person's perspective on the matter. I don't think this is dumb if this is dumb why do Physicist's announce their discoveries to the world if they themselves know the answer to the matter if they are true or false?
I agree with you on general areas, but in physics I don't think anything is simple.

Just being here in a discussion thread and denying my discussion subject is a paradox in itself.
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I would recommend studying Physics to an advanced level before you pass judgment. Even Newtonian physicists will tell you that there are plenty of things that we must accept as constants (that truly aren't) for the laws of Physics to apply. Honestly, it doesn't sound like you even know what Physics is or what it is attempting to study and/or explain. Physics is strictly related to Earth. If you want to get into the study of the universe, try either astronomy (which studies other celestial bodies, etc. other than the earth) or cosmology (which studies the universe as a whole).

Also, it's best never to live under the assumption that yours are correct or that you know the answer to something and everyone else doesn't. You learn more if you live life with the understanding that it is impossible to know anything for certain.
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Posted 10/20/12 , edited 10/20/12
What kind of judgement are you talking about? If you have to accept something not being a constant as a being a constant(do you see the paradox here?) then it's flawed. What you describe as Newtonian physics is just in a frame of reference with very little % of wrong calculation's which will have no significant impact on our world. See Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal, Planck constant, Planck reduced constant and Quantified. I also think referring to Newtonian physicists as accepting constant which are not. I mean lady please we still have no idea what the quantified amount of gravity or graviton is. We still have no ToD explaining the instant works of Gravity upon our universe. I think you are talking about things you don't really understand. For that matter I don't understand it so well either, but why don't we discuss it instead of passing judgement. I also recommend you read up on our contestants for this like 5 and 11 dimensions no comment if I believe they are true or not. They are current theories trying to explain unexplained events yet.


I strongly recommend you read up on our current progress towards the ToD. I also recommend you read on study of quantum physics our world on a microscopic level. I opened this tread in hope of seeing other people's perspective on the matter and discussing it I wonder who is passing judgement here? It is strictly related to earth? I have no idea there was a physic strictly related to earth wow Who made this physics strictly related to earth does this mean the physics don't apply to our Universe According to physics the four fundamental energies can explain all particle interactions and therefor explain the events in our universe let's include high's boson as a fifth stil in question since newel discovered and very little is know about it. Like Hawking described it Physics is more science fiction than the movies why not discuss it? Is this term general reserved for people with education within physics?

Hiding behind some education still don't make 2+2=5 please make an valuable argument.
The earth you talk about is in our universe so shouldn't we study our universe to understand earth's physics?
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Posted 10/20/12
"If the Laws of Physics no longer apply... God help you." (Voice from Portal 2)

Um.... Okay? That really didn't flow. At all. But I don't blame you for that. You appear to be contemplating many things and that bit of blabbering probably looks like a wall filled with the best philosophical words ever written, even if no one else thinks that. I've been there and then realized that in fact what I thought was an incredible literary achievement was instead random gibberish that barely convened any meaning. Anyway...


btw physics are theories not laws.


A scientific theory is something that has been proven over and over again in various experiments conducted by various people over the years.

You mention our mental evolution and the evolution of our species in general. We basically have stopped our evolution physically. How you ask? Well we don't adapt to our surroundings. Instead we adapt our surroundings to us. Look at the cities and technology all around us. While that is a form of evolution, it isn't biological evolution. If our mental and physical states are to change it'll be through implants or augments. Basically we'll merge our minds and souls with technology or ascend to the higher plane. Or we'll just go on in blissful idiocy. Or blissful intelligence. Or blissful destruction. Because in the end we will all be devoured by the great and mighty God of Madness, Cthulhu! FHTAGN!
Posted 10/20/12 , edited 10/20/12

DustyGateway wrote:

Fantasy, science fiction, innovation and mind experiments are truly what make us smart.


Why aren't you smart then? You're contradicting yourself. But no, it's the brain and the requirements for survival that made us ( LIMITED) smart in the first place. Evolution will no longer jump, from here on it's down to bio-technology.
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You're thinking, and that's great. Never stop thinking. However, if you want people to look at your thoughts and gain value from them, you need to improve your writing. No matter how great or elevated your thinking is, if you can't grab people's attention and communicate clearly, you're never going to reach an audience.

A few writing tips:

1. Practice grammar. It's hard to take you seriously when you're grammar is wrong.
2. Don't use words like hereby or therefore unless it's unavoidable. It makes you sound pretentious.
3. Vary your sentence structure. If you begin each of your sentences with a noun, it makes them boring.
4. Find a better audience. This forum tends to attract the young, curt, and less educated. All of these factors lead toward a more shallow amount of communication.
5. I notice your country is set to Norway, so I would venture to guess your native language is Norwegian. If you wish to discuss intellectual topics, you may find it easier to do so in your native language.
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Posted 10/21/12

shadorai wrote:

you don't "believe" in physics. it's THERE. PROVEN. it's a plain out FACT. that's why physics are called scientific laws, not theories.


Sorry to be picky, but that's not true. All science is theory, and in principle any scientific "law" can be invalidated by a single observation, or a theory that fits the observations better - for example, Newton's "law" of gravitation has been superseded by General Relativity.
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Posted 10/21/12 , edited 10/21/12
I agree, but I don't think our evolution has stopped yet. We still have not been able or willing to increase our intelligence with dna manipulation. If you look back on our specie maybe 2000-3000 years ago they dint nearly have as high intelligence in that aspect as we do now. Well yea it's blabbering just wanted to discuss some blabbering ._.

Take for example eters they were thought to be true until proven wrong. It was a major theory it don't make it 100% true though.

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Posted 10/21/12
Basically, you're having a WHOA DUDE, THAT'S DEEP moment caused by very large quantities of the 'erb.
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Posted 10/21/12
yea guess so was a good wuxia
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