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Fourteen Year old girl kills new-born
Posted 10/23/12

magicuser360

No need to sweat it and it's okay, I completely get how some things sparks a lot of emotion.

I can't say I'm surprised at how people worship Japan as perfection, it's none the less pretty ridiculous that's facepalmingly true. I bet the majority of people saying that haven't even been there.

I wanted to live there once, but just by doing research on the country and hearing from people how it is living there I'm thinking nope ain't gonna have any of that. It would be a major cultural shock and it would be really tough to adjust to the Japanese way of living. Vacationing there is the furthest I'll take it to. I would be very interested in hearing what you mean by issues and lies, but maybe here is not the place to chat about that.

Yeah Middle-Eastern people are getting a lot of heat everywhere they go sadly. It's fucked up how a small minority ruined it for all the rest.

Anyways, thumbs up! You just gained a lot of respect points from me. Wise words. It's pretty horrifying when people around the world act upon ignorance.

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Posted 10/23/12
There isn't nearly enough information here to pass judgement of any sort on this girl. That said...


Luvreichan wrote:

I feel like there is more to this story. I think finding out who the father is may play a key point in this.

I think she was just scared and panicking. I couldn't imagine being preggers at 14. It might have been the fear from her parents reactions, she may have heard things about pregnant teens. She probably just wanted it all to go away. I think she snapped and lost it.

At some point she probably really believed and became determined to go through the entire pregnancy without telling anyone.

I wish she would have told her parents, or the aunts were more headstrong about confronting her mom about it. If the parents knew I doubt this would happen. I do believe she felt guilt otherwise why would she clean the baby, and hide it under her bed long enough for it to leave an odor? I think she's going to need some serious counseling after this.

Where did you hear America was defunding abortions?

There was a women in rehab who had a miscarriage and threw the fetus in the trash. Ate her up so much she began drinking heavily. Grim stuff.


This.

Its easy to say things like, "Fourteen year old girls have no business getting pregnant." It is, however, also a fact that fourteen year old girls (and boys!) do stupid things. Accidents and unplanned things happen, and everyone, without exception, makes mistakes.

Regardless of how she got there, the girl found herself pregnant, and the obvious reaction at that age is panic. Panic, left unchecked, tends to grow and fester. Over a nine month period, that could destroy a person, setting them solidly down a path they may never have otherwise dreamed of. I can't imagine that stuffing a baby into a shoe box and hiding it under a bed, where any soundly thinking person would know it would be discovered, was a premeditated action. I feel its pretty safe to say that she found herself caught deeper and deeper in a web of lies and deception at every turn, and that this was the final desperate act of panic to keep the whole thing from unraveling.

Of course, she could just be crazy =P


Luvreichan - Defunding is news to me, but if the pro-life movement has their way here, abortions will become illegal entirely. While I think that's an awful idea, with the way the past few election campaigns have run, I would not be at all surprised if this becomes reality within the decade.
Posted 10/23/12
lol this is funny thats all i can really say
Posted 10/23/12

Luvreichan wrote:

Where did you hear America was defunding abortions?

I take it you were asking me, although you didn't quote me?

A friend of mine told me about it and my first reaction was, are you serious? I did some research on the matter afterwards.

It was wrong of me to say "is" and I apologize for that. According to the information I found on several pages it is something some people are working hard on achieving, but it is doubtful it will ever come to pass, but still. These people are doing it for "moral reasons" and it would apparently hit the less fortunate women of America if the expenses on getting abortions would become impossible for them to pay. It looks like to me a lot of debate is going on whether or not to defund Planned Parenthood, if that becomes the case it would have an impact on abortions especially.

Planned Parenthood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood

I don't know as to how far this stretches, if it would just be valid for particular states?

Anyways, these are some of the articles I went through at the time (if they hold water or not is up to you to decide):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/house-gop-spending-bill_n_1681019.html
http://theweek.com/article/index/225409/does-defunding-planned-parenthood-hurt-womens-health
http://exposeplannedparenthood.net/
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Posted 10/23/12 , edited 10/23/12
She could've just given the kid up, but it's too late now. Two young lives have been wasted.
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Posted 10/23/12
Unfortunately, this child wasn't given the support she needed. And instead took it into her own hands.
She will definitely need help.
This happens more often than you'd expect. And it happens even more in places where abortion is outlawed.
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I'm sorry, but your last three paragraphs are a complete load of hippie crap. What has happened to personal accountability? At 14, you should damn well know that a murder is wrong, and that murdering your own baby is monstrous. Yes, she is only a child herself, but it is obvious that she thought about nothing but herself and how being pregnant affected HER life. At some point people are going to have to stop pointing fingers and take responsibility for their own actions. Every choice she made, from the decision to hide her pregnancy and lie to her family, to the cold-blooded murder of her baby, was HER own decision. And the fact that she chose this path to follow just shows that she knew every step was wrong, from having sex in the first place to murder. One could even argue that it isn't the parents impressing the wrong priorities on the girl, but society itself.


First off, way to get all angry about trying a child as a child and psychological problems being a factor.

Secondly, you said "At some point people are going to have to stop pointing fingers and take responsibility for their own actions." wasn't that part of my "complete load of hippie crap" when I said that juvie is the only option for her?
Then you said "One could even argue that it isn't the parents impressing the wrong priorities on the girl, but society itself" which was part of my "complete load of hippie crap" when I said, "but we should, as a nation, realize the pressure we put on children and how it's capable of influencing their behavior and processing."

How is it hippie crap when I say it and not when you say it?


Sorry Mr. Gung-ho but the death penalty cannot be applied to anyone under age. At 14, juvie is the only place to stick her until she's of age. So what would you do with her smart guy? What's the non-hippie way then if incarceration is so laissez faire and death penalty isn't an option?

U.S. Supreme Court decision: Roper v. Simmons 543 U.S. 551.

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Posted 10/23/12

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Do what they do in china, make them work hard labor for almost nothing at all so they can buy their own bullet to off their life.. Americas system is why America is BROKE. I don't need my hard earn money to pay useless people in prison...


In most parts of China they still follow the practice of digging a hole leaving them in there. Usually girls.

It's easier on the mother that way. She doesn't have to kill it with her hands and she can still hope someone will find it and adopt it.

But nice try.

The government is actually protecting laws from being abolished or sentences from being reduced to "keep the guards employed."
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Posted 10/23/12
wow i dont know what you can say ...

its very sad and sickening to think this has actually happened. They mention the mum a few times on the webpage but seems to me that her mum could have been there alot more. If two aunts were suspicious the mother surely should of taken more action at least physically taking her to see a doctor. Her mum is still responsible for her and her actions. but then again children do silly things an it shows that she was not in the right state of mind when she was in labour. Maybe there need to be more services to help children out in these situations if they dont want to talk to there parents.

Theres alot of things that could have been done to support her . The fact is is that shes killed a human being even if she was scared etc assuming that she acted like she was mature enough to have sex she's now going to have to grow up an take responsibilities for her actions which includes being sentenced !
Posted 10/23/12 , edited 10/23/12

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magicuser360




Well thanks.

To give you a pretty brief insight:

Japan still changes their textbooks to hide their War Crimes. They deny/hide facts about War Crimes as well. They never talk about their Comfort Women, Rape of Nanking, cruel POW camps, live-human burial, extreme rape (100 and more men per day with one woman), forced sex between family members, men, women, baby rape, sexual penetration with swords/bamboo sticks, human experimentation, the millions they murdered...etc. etc. Up until the 70's (and even in some places now) Japanese students didn't know about Pearl Harbor and were under the assumption that the States attacked them for no reason.

My great uncle was in the War, and he suffered horribly in a Japanese POW camp; till this day, Japan has never apologized nor admitted their torture...All they want to talk about are the atom bombs, but never their own insane cruelty which was the most brutal of the entire war; even worse than the Germans and Russians.

Not to mention, the way they treat foreigners in Japan to this day (signs telling foreign people to go home; if they they don't want foreign people there, the Japanese themselves should stay in their own country as well!), their blatant racism (see their treatment of South Asians like people from Vietnam, Cambodia...Or Koreans etc.) bullying, very high suicide rates...I could go on and on.

I still like some aspects of Japan, but over all...No. I would never want to live their what with the social pressure and their lies.

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Posted 10/23/12
i think she knows what she was doing but she don't want to accept or face the responsibilities and consequences of her actions... according to the report she delivered the baby on her own and killed the baby after she checked for the pulse...

sure, she definitely need help but i think that the first people that needs help is her parents esp. her mother... her two aunts has suspicious that she was pregnant but her mother denied it... her mother should be the first person in the whole world to know or sense that something was wrong to her but instead her mother was the first one to denied or cover up the signs that she has a big problem... which is much bigger than she thought...
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Posted 10/23/12
Tie her tubes and get her some help. My cousin started wearing baggy clothing to hide her first pregnancy too. None of us knew that she was pregnant until a couple of days before she was due. Honestly, her parents needed to have paid more attention. A girl doesn't just start wearing baggy close for no apparent reason.
Posted 10/23/12
A pair of scissors, really??? Girl please... you gotta stay classy and keep with the wire coat hanger!
Posted 10/23/12

magicuser360

I can honestly say I was not expecting this much haha. Not sure what to even say to all of that, but thanks for clarifying for me.

I didn't know about these things to be honest, only parts of it. I do of course have opinions on all of that, but I won't explain further in a puplic thread.
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At least she didn't kill the child because she was busy using facebook.
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