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Fourteen Year old girl kills new-born
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Posted 11/2/12

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"left it to decompose in her bedroom till the odor alerted members of her family." she needs mental help. just living with a dead body, and acting like the smell is no big thing imakes it clear that she has mental problems.


I thought so too. And the way she bathed with it afterwards...


She bathed with it to? makes it sound like she was in denial with what happend.
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mimosa_usagi wrote:


Happencheese wrote:


mimosa_usagi wrote:

"left it to decompose in her bedroom till the odor alerted members of her family." she needs mental help. just living with a dead body, and acting like the smell is no big thing imakes it clear that she has mental problems.


I thought so too. And the way she bathed with it afterwards...


She bathed with it to? makes it sound like she was in denial with what happend.


Yeah... The whole thing is pretty messed up.
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Posted 11/2/12

Happencheese wrote:


mimosa_usagi wrote:


Happencheese wrote:


mimosa_usagi wrote:

"left it to decompose in her bedroom till the odor alerted members of her family." she needs mental help. just living with a dead body, and acting like the smell is no big thing imakes it clear that she has mental problems.


I thought so too. And the way she bathed with it afterwards...


She bathed with it to? makes it sound like she was in denial with what happend.


Yeah... The whole thing is pretty messed up.


You don't think it was post-partum psychosis do you? Either that, or some other undiagnosed mental disorder.

I hope it was PPD turned into psychosis. At least that way, she wouldn't be the only woman in history to do something lethal to an infant/child in a state of psychosis. It's just really sad the way people will now view her. Women's gender roles in the US generally dictate that a woman MUST care for her young. While it's more acceptable for men to abandon the parenting role, it's severely frowned upon for a woman to do the same.
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Damn slut. She shouldn't be going around and having sex in the first place.


Hi, I read your comment about that 14 yr old girl who asphyxiated her infant, bathed with it's dead body, and then kept the corpse in her room until the stench attracted attention from family members. You called her a damn slut and asked why she would be running around having sex. It's interesting to me that you would right away assume that she was having a ton of sex. I'm an RN (with a BSN), so I wanted to just let you know that it only takes one instance of intercourse to produce a pregnancy. So without immediately assuming that this 14yr old child is a "slut" or a "slovenly promiscuous *woman,*" it is clear that the girl has mental health issues. In fact, these mental health issues could have existed before the pregnancy (in which case, you would want to ask yourself who would want to fuck a 14yr old with mental disorders) or the mental health issues could have arisen BECAUSE of the pregnancy. The girl clearly did not want the pregnancy, but was forced to go through with it. She might not have even wanted the sex that produced the child. We will never know (for a few reasons, the least of which being the fact that the girl is in a catatonic state of dissociative shock). In other words, it hasn't set in that she killed a baby. This indicates that she may have had Post-Partum Psychosis. If so, then she would not be the only woman in history to kill her own child. I don't know whether you agree with a woman's right to choose or not, but I can tell you from a medical standpoint that some women are not mentally or physically ready to have children. Most 14yr old girls have pelvic insufficiency and can't even deliver fetuses through a spontaneous vaginal delivery. In the "olden days," these women would have likely died or had to have an old-fashioney C-sections (that they would likely become septic from and later died by).

Okay, I rambled on a bit. Essentially, the way you reacted was very interesting to me. I don't know if it was because you were so appalled by the act that you never really thought about the issue, or whether it's because you are blatantly chauvinistic. Either way, the word "slut" is something derogatory to women.

I wonder whether men (like yourself) understand the following concepts:

1. "Sluts" would not exist without men who call them "sluts" and without men who would make them or qualify them as "sluts."
2. A "slut's" existence is dependent on the presence of a man who will: teach her that she is only valuable because of her body and teach her that it's okay and normal to have sex with whoever she is with in order to please them.

Don't get me wrong. A woman could, should, and is able to want to have sex. Why shouldn't she be? Men are free to bang every living person, thing, or animal out there. Why shouldn't women also have that luxury?

The thing is.... When a woman wants to do the same thing as a man, she is a "whore."

When you call even one woman a whore you are basically reducing all of woman to walking, talking, fuck-bags. You called her a damn crazy slut who shouldn't be going around having sex. That implied that she went around (town?) and had a bunch of sex. You made me wonder what separates me, or any woman from being a slut. After all, every man out there wants sex. Every, single, one. Some will take it without even ASKING for you to consent. So why do women get to have all the fun? Based off of your definition of a slut, any woman could be labeled a slut if she's had sex (even once) or gotten pregnant. How interesting......

Oh well... "Sluts" are pretty valuable for men, right? Wouldn't it be rather convenient for you if every woman you met would have sex with you if you wanted it?

Sometimes, a woman tries to relate to men and have relationships with them based off of sex. It is the path of least resistance for developing a connection. You would call her a "slut." A "whore's" only value to men, is that she is guaranteed to fuck you, no matter how little you think of her.

How interesting that you would put all of the blame on the 14-yr old child for having sex. I bet you never questioned who would want to fuck a 14-yr old. Especially if she was already "crazy" as you said. Indeed, who would want to screw a mentally incompetent 14-yr old?

Well, it's obvious, isn't it? That's only something a man would do. And pretending that it was all the 14yr-old child's fault is something that only a man would do.

What I am trying to verbalize to you is my understanding of the great lie that you men tell yourselves (especially you).

That a woman is a dirty/filthy/crazy whore. She is to blame when you fuck her. She made you do it. It was entirely her idea. And she might as well have been alone performing the act. That dirty whore.

You didn't pressure her. In fact, you (men) sometimes do it without her permission at all. Whether a woman consents is sometimes not even an issue for men. But if she consents to it, she is a whore. If you trick her into it, great. If the next man tricks her into it, she's a floozy. If she has a history of ex-lovers, then she's just a really huge whore. If she is young and gets pregnant from it (even from the first time) then she is a whore.
You had nothing to do with her bad decisions and you have no obligation to be a part of the consequences. Hell, you might as well have not even been there when she was being fucked. And if this woman were ever to contract an STD from consenting or not consenting to your diseased cock, then she most certainly must be a whore. Never mind how much sex you have. The more the better, as long as you're you and you happen to be male.

Never mind the fact that women are at 50% greater risk of contracting STDs/STIs than men, due to the nature of their sexual organs. Never mind that you fucked the infection and disease right into her. She's a whore. And, once a whore. Always a whore.

Men had nothing to do with it.

That my friend, is the lie that men tell themselves. And it exists in a great big spectrum. A spectrum of lies and biases and stereotypes and hateful/debasing language and degrading media ads and shitty male roles. These all exist in your world and influence not only how you view women, but how women view themselves. But I guess it's not your fault, Laxus.

I mean, maybe I'm being too hard on you Laxus. You didn't single-handedly develop this culture of violence towards women. As a young man, you just inherited it.

In fact, you're entirely blameless. You might as well have had nothing to do with it. It's not your fault for calling her a "crazy slut." It might as well have been any other random guy on the net. After all, it seems like people are calling her much worse, yes?

What you're doing isn't harmful to that girl or girls like her or women like her. Hell, they might as well not even be daughters, sisters, mothers, grandmothers. The whole lot of them at one point were probably whores. And "once a whore, always a whore."
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This is quite shocking...don't know what to say...
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You don't think it was post-partum psychosis do you? Either that, or some other undiagnosed mental disorder.

I hope it was PPD turned into psychosis. At least that way, she wouldn't be the only woman in history to do something lethal to an infant/child in a state of psychosis. It's just really sad the way people will now view her. Women's gender roles in the US generally dictate that a woman MUST care for her young. While it's more acceptable for men to abandon the parenting role, it's severely frowned upon for a woman to do the same.


Yeah. I don't think she was in her right mind. At the very least, a 14 year old just is not developed mentally enough for this situation. I feel really terrible for her. I totally, totally do not condone what she did, but I don't think she had evil intent. I think she was really scared, too young, has some sort of psychosis or something but... Yeah. The whole thing is just really sad. For everyone involved.
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This is one of those things where you just wonder why.
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Confine her in a room and let her massacre corrupt politicians and other horrible people.
Posted 11/18/12
Well she's old enough to know how to have sex apparently so she is old enough to know what she did. I don't think she is crazy she just doesn't want the responsibility of caring for a baby which is selfish on her part.
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Damn! You must harbor some heavy resentment to have posted all that. I was about to reply to his post with a "you're a retard", but I just assumed he was trolling. Then I read your comment and that was more jarring than what that forgotten a-hole originally typed, to me at least. You bring up many valid points, and frankly I have to agree with you. Chauvinism FAIL. Still, this girl pried her infant from her with scissors, checked for a pulse, and then freaking strangled it. It's hard for me to feel anything other than disgust. Alas, parenting FAIL. I would have to agree that the blame shouldn't be placed solely on that girl, it's just that doing something like that... she's either a sociopath, in which case the world is better off with her behind bars, or it's all a matter of her upbringing and circumstances. Either way it is no small thing to murder an infant child, and professional help would not be my only recommendation. That said I have no more information on the matter than what I've read from the links the OP provided, and nothing I have typed should be taken with any credibility.

kinda off-topic: don't write-off all us guys, some of us are not into the whole...being sh*theads fad going around these days. Although I would be biased in saying that I am not a sh*thead
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Posted 11/20/12 , edited 11/20/12

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Damn! You must harbor some heavy resentment to have posted all that. I was about to reply to his post with a "you're a retard", but I just assumed he was trolling. Then I read your comment and that was more jarring than what that forgotten a-hole originally typed, to me at least. You bring up many valid points, and frankly I have to agree with you. Chauvinism FAIL. Still, this girl pried her infant from her with scissors, checked for a pulse, and then freaking strangled it. It's hard for me to feel anything other than disgust. Alas, parenting FAIL. I would have to agree that the blame shouldn't be placed solely on that girl, it's just that doing something like that... she's either a sociopath, in which case the world is better off with her behind bars, or it's all a matter of her upbringing and circumstances. Either way it is no small thing to murder an infant child, and professional help would not be my only recommendation. That said I have no more information on the matter than what I've read from the links the OP provided, and nothing I have typed should be taken with any credibility.

kinda off-topic: don't write-off all us guys, some of us are not into the whole...being sh*theads fad going around these days. Although I would be biased in saying that I am not a sh*thead


I just hate injustice. That baby didn't have to die. And we will never really know the whole story. I just don't know what should be done to help that girl. This way, two lives are ruined and the people who also share blame (potentially the male or female figures in her life--the ones responsible for imbuing her with values, along with that baby's father) will never be held responsible. The world is an incredibly unjust place. People walk around thinking and saying things and dubbing them "harmless," when they are actually quite harmful. Even people who troll.


Plato said this world is a mere reflection.

I look at myself every day and wonder what I reflect about the world. My biases, the paradigms I live inside. The paradigms outside of my perception that I will never know exist...

I'm sorry my post disturbed you. I didn't know how else to say the things I wanted to say. Is it wrong if it makes me just a little bit happy that you read it and at least understood? Because I'm not sure that guy did... In fact, you may make the argument that it's worthless to even reach out to those people who are so set in their ignorant beliefs. Clearly, you never thought the same way he did. My post must not have made a difference. That guy either read it and gave zero shits or read it and didn't understand. Oh well.
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Posted 11/20/12 , edited 11/20/12
...Maybe she just didn't want anyone to notice what'd she had done, fear of what the parents might have thought Umm... maybe it was something about her not getting an abortion and then killing the baby..? But I'm not sure, why she didn't get one, maybe its because Americans are so stupid about the whole abortion situation... But then again she could have gotten the baby for adoption, I don't know what to say -.- .. but yeah, she should get checked out in a mental institution.
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Honestly, if you have sex and become pregnant and don't want the child, put it up for adoption. Don't have the baby and then kill it. Fucking hell...
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Okay,
First, This is sick an disturbing.

Second, This is proof that abortion should exist otherwise kids are going to do it themselves.

and Third, There needs to be stricter sex laws. Children giving birth to children is wrong.
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