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Who should have the right to kill another person?

If you want to kill yourself, no one is stopping you. Just do it right the first time, otherwise you'll probably not get another opportunity for some time.

That being said, Get over yourself. Every person has an affect on the world. Everything you do, other people see, and they react. The reactions of the people of the world are different when you remove an individual. Sometimes this affect is quite pronounced, sometimes not.

I'm not quite sure what this thread is about precisely, but in the end it comes down to the fact that no person has the right to take another person's life. In that case, a doctor does not have the right to end the life of a patient. A patient has the right to refuse treatment to the point where they are unable to refuse treatment, IE go unconscious.

If the situation is a non responsive coma, or assisted living with life support, the decision is up to the next of kin. Hopefully you have talked with your parents or spouse about how important life is as you live it, or how important it is to be alive, even in a diminished capacity.

So, don't ever put a person in the position over your life. It can quite literally destroy theirs as surely as it ends yours.
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You can't properly argue my point so you attack me with an Ad hominem?

Also, you said I couldn't empathize? Did you not read the part where I said I have been suicidal. I know EXACTLY what it's like. I don't think you understand what I am saying, if you are so far off as to label me as a dictator who doesn't believe in rights.

I have never met anybody who has considered suicide a sound decision. You may be one of the first for me. Because there are so few of you who would purposely devalue life, it is the exact reason why it will never be afforded as a right.


Really? So would you listen if our minority was of a substantial size, like all the other minorities out there that have won rights? Just because you found a reason to live does not mean that all people have.
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lordseth23 wrote:


netdisorder wrote:

You can't properly argue my point so you attack me with an Ad hominem?

Also, you said I couldn't empathize? Did you not read the part where I said I have been suicidal. I know EXACTLY what it's like. I don't think you understand what I am saying, if you are so far off as to label me as a dictator who doesn't believe in rights.

I have never met anybody who has considered suicide a sound decision. You may be one of the first for me. Because there are so few of you who would purposely devalue life, it is the exact reason why it will never be afforded as a right.


Really? So would you listen if our minority was of a substantial size, like all the other minorities out there that have won rights? Just because you found a reason to live does not mean that all people have.


It's not about me. It's about what the people want. If the population wanted suicide to be an affordable right, it would be. Simple as that.

I've yet to see an overwhelmingly vocal minority cry out about suicide. This is probably why it's not even considered. That's the difference between suicide and say, LGBT, which is a very vocal minority.
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I'm not sure if this is about old age or not. Though technically a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order exists. That would be legal. Choosing death for any other reason sounds pointless to me.
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metalsmith wrote:

Who should have the right to kill another person?

If you want to kill yourself, no one is stopping you. Just do it right the first time, otherwise you'll probably not get another opportunity for some time.

That being said, Get over yourself. Every person has an affect on the world. Everything you do, other people see, and they react. The reactions of the people of the world are different when you remove an individual. Sometimes this affect is quite pronounced, sometimes not.

I'm not quite sure what this thread is about precisely, but in the end it comes down to the fact that no person has the right to take another person's life. In that case, a doctor does not have the right to end the life of a patient. A patient has the right to refuse treatment to the point where they are unable to refuse treatment, IE go unconscious.

If the situation is a non responsive coma, or assisted living with life support, the decision is up to the next of kin. Hopefully you have talked with your parents or spouse about how important life is as you live it, or how important it is to be alive, even in a diminished capacity.

So, don't ever put a person in the position over your life. It can quite literally destroy theirs as surely as it ends yours.


This thread is strictly about a healthy adult person having the right to kill themselves, and nothing else.

I believe that, just like there is a national hotline for people with depression, there should be a national hotline for people that want to die, and that the government could secretly kill the person in a non-painful way without letting anybody know about it. This would certainly help me in my case, because I have a loving family that would never allow me to commit suicide.
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I believe every person should have the right to die. The problem is, most people make the decision while they are under emotional distress, or not in a right state of mind. So we as a society usually frown upon self killing or such because the person doing it would probably not do it while not under some infuence
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Posted 10/24/12

lordseth23 wrote:


metalsmith wrote:

Who should have the right to kill another person?

If you want to kill yourself, no one is stopping you. Just do it right the first time, otherwise you'll probably not get another opportunity for some time.

That being said, Get over yourself. Every person has an affect on the world. Everything you do, other people see, and they react. The reactions of the people of the world are different when you remove an individual. Sometimes this affect is quite pronounced, sometimes not.

I'm not quite sure what this thread is about precisely, but in the end it comes down to the fact that no person has the right to take another person's life. In that case, a doctor does not have the right to end the life of a patient. A patient has the right to refuse treatment to the point where they are unable to refuse treatment, IE go unconscious.

If the situation is a non responsive coma, or assisted living with life support, the decision is up to the next of kin. Hopefully you have talked with your parents or spouse about how important life is as you live it, or how important it is to be alive, even in a diminished capacity.

So, don't ever put a person in the position over your life. It can quite literally destroy theirs as surely as it ends yours.


This thread is strictly about a healthy adult person having the right to kill themselves, and nothing else.

I believe that, just like there is a national hotline for people with depression, there should be a national hotline for people that want to die, and that the government could secretly kill the person in a non-painful way without letting anybody know about it. This would certainly help me in my case, because I have a loving family that would never allow me to commit suicide.


So... You want the government to kill you in secret so your parents won't know? Isn't that just murder. That's not even suicide. You are seriously proposing an execution hotline that goes behind peoples back.

That will never happen.
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netdisorder wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


netdisorder wrote:

You can't properly argue my point so you attack me with an Ad hominem?

Also, you said I couldn't empathize? Did you not read the part where I said I have been suicidal. I know EXACTLY what it's like. I don't think you understand what I am saying, if you are so far off as to label me as a dictator who doesn't believe in rights.

I have never met anybody who has considered suicide a sound decision. You may be one of the first for me. Because there are so few of you who would purposely devalue life, it is the exact reason why it will never be afforded as a right.


Really? So would you listen if our minority was of a substantial size, like all the other minorities out there that have won rights? Just because you found a reason to live does not mean that all people have.


It's not about me. It's about what the people want. If the population wanted suicide to be an affordable right, it would be. Simple as that.

I've yet to see an overwhelmingly vocal minority cry out about suicide. This is probably why it's not even considered. That's the difference between suicide and say, LGBT, which is a very vocal minority.


A minority should never be ignored, no matter how small or unvocal. There was a time when LGBT was very small and not very vocal.
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jordancharacter wrote:

I believe every person should have the right to die. The problem is, most people make the decision while they are under emotional distress, or not in a right state of mind. So we as a society usually frown upon self killing or such because the person doing it would probably not do it while not under some infuence


That's just it, you can't want to die and be in the right mind. Humans aren't wired to "want to die". We are wired to preserve and nurture and keep going. Suicide being a "right" goes against the human will in general. It's simply irresponsible.
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netdisorder wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


metalsmith wrote:

Who should have the right to kill another person?

If you want to kill yourself, no one is stopping you. Just do it right the first time, otherwise you'll probably not get another opportunity for some time.

That being said, Get over yourself. Every person has an affect on the world. Everything you do, other people see, and they react. The reactions of the people of the world are different when you remove an individual. Sometimes this affect is quite pronounced, sometimes not.

I'm not quite sure what this thread is about precisely, but in the end it comes down to the fact that no person has the right to take another person's life. In that case, a doctor does not have the right to end the life of a patient. A patient has the right to refuse treatment to the point where they are unable to refuse treatment, IE go unconscious.

If the situation is a non responsive coma, or assisted living with life support, the decision is up to the next of kin. Hopefully you have talked with your parents or spouse about how important life is as you live it, or how important it is to be alive, even in a diminished capacity.

So, don't ever put a person in the position over your life. It can quite literally destroy theirs as surely as it ends yours.


This thread is strictly about a healthy adult person having the right to kill themselves, and nothing else.

I believe that, just like there is a national hotline for people with depression, there should be a national hotline for people that want to die, and that the government could secretly kill the person in a non-painful way without letting anybody know about it. This would certainly help me in my case, because I have a loving family that would never allow me to commit suicide.


So... You want the government to kill you in secret so your parents won't know? Isn't that just murder. That's not even suicide. You are seriously proposing an execution hotline that goes behind peoples back.

That will never happen.


The government keeps alot of things secret (Area 51), so why couldn't this be one of them? And technically it is suicide and isn't murder if it is under the person's consent.
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lordseth23 wrote:


netdisorder wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:


metalsmith wrote:

Who should have the right to kill another person?

If you want to kill yourself, no one is stopping you. Just do it right the first time, otherwise you'll probably not get another opportunity for some time.

That being said, Get over yourself. Every person has an affect on the world. Everything you do, other people see, and they react. The reactions of the people of the world are different when you remove an individual. Sometimes this affect is quite pronounced, sometimes not.

I'm not quite sure what this thread is about precisely, but in the end it comes down to the fact that no person has the right to take another person's life. In that case, a doctor does not have the right to end the life of a patient. A patient has the right to refuse treatment to the point where they are unable to refuse treatment, IE go unconscious.

If the situation is a non responsive coma, or assisted living with life support, the decision is up to the next of kin. Hopefully you have talked with your parents or spouse about how important life is as you live it, or how important it is to be alive, even in a diminished capacity.

So, don't ever put a person in the position over your life. It can quite literally destroy theirs as surely as it ends yours.


This thread is strictly about a healthy adult person having the right to kill themselves, and nothing else.

I believe that, just like there is a national hotline for people with depression, there should be a national hotline for people that want to die, and that the government could secretly kill the person in a non-painful way without letting anybody know about it. This would certainly help me in my case, because I have a loving family that would never allow me to commit suicide.


So... You want the government to kill you in secret so your parents won't know? Isn't that just murder. That's not even suicide. You are seriously proposing an execution hotline that goes behind peoples back.

That will never happen.


The government keeps alot of things secret (Area 51), so why couldn't this be one of them?


I feel like I'm talking to a 7 year old asking whether santa clause is real or not... Answer your own question. Surely you have the ability to come to a rational conclusion. Because so far, your ideas are far from it.
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netdisorder wrote:


I feel like I'm talking to a 7 year old asking whether santa clause is real or not... Answer your own question. Surely you have the ability to come to a rational conclusion. Because so far, your ideas are far from it.


Oh, come now. Humor me once and tell me what you were going say, if you would be so kind.
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netdisorder wrote:


jordancharacter wrote:

I believe every person should have the right to die. The problem is, most people make the decision while they are under emotional distress, or not in a right state of mind. So we as a society usually frown upon self killing or such because the person doing it would probably not do it while not under some infuence


That's just it, you can't want to die and be in the right mind. Humans aren't wired to "want to die". We are wired to preserve and nurture and keep going. Suicide being a "right" goes against the human will in general. It's simply irresponsible.


You do realize that humanity is on the brink of destruction, right? Unless there is some serious progress in the human condition, everyone is going to die a very painful death from a cataclysmic event. You need to accept the fact that the human will is constantly evolving as new ideas are brought to life. There are many rights today that people thousands of years ago would scoff at, in the same exact manner that you are scoffing at this one.
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A long as your decision to off yourself doesn't impact anyone else I say go for it
Don't be a burden to your friends or family in death or life.


I plan to take my "End of Life" Vision Quest in three years at the Hopi Res outside Tucson,AZ
I took my original Vision Quest there 31 years ago I just hope they will let me take it


To all the young ones out there, getting dumped is not a reason to off yourself.
Before doing something like that come see me. as you need a good smack up side your head...or a kiss.
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lordseth23 wrote:


netdisorder wrote:


jordancharacter wrote:

I believe every person should have the right to die. The problem is, most people make the decision while they are under emotional distress, or not in a right state of mind. So we as a society usually frown upon self killing or such because the person doing it would probably not do it while not under some infuence


That's just it, you can't want to die and be in the right mind. Humans aren't wired to "want to die". We are wired to preserve and nurture and keep going. Suicide being a "right" goes against the human will in general. It's simply irresponsible.


You do realize that humanity is on the brink of destruction, right? Unless there is some serious progress in the human condition, everyone is going to die a very painful death from a cataclysmic event. You need to accept the fact that the human will is constantly evolving as new ideas are brought to life. There are many rights today that people thousands of years ago would scoff at, in the same exact manner that you are scoffing at this one.


When it becomes legal I'll eat my words, but I don't think it will happen in our life time.

And people have been saying that humanity is on the brink of destruction for ages. It's all doomsday speculation like usual/
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