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Posted 1/2/14
Without taking into consideration religious belief and my bias, at first, I was thinking that it's a matter of personal autonomy. It's your life, you make your personal choices so you should have the right to take your own life as you will. But then, what if suicide/suicidal thoughts are triggered by some temporary hormonal imbalance or some kind of a psychological disorder that can be treated? That when you are deciding to die you are not making a sound judgement because you're essentially sick. So my take on this is - at this point where we don't know much about the stimuli, committing suicide should not be a right. But I am not talking about mercy killing or Euthanasia, I fully support assisted suicide as a last resort. I'm referring to a case when a sound person (facing some hardships or not) suddenly wants to die.
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Posted 1/16/14
i don't think that its right to let people die if their depressed or something mental but if they're 100 and they feel like its time for them to move on then let them its their own life let people do what they want with it

(but not suicide because its a mental state that you can escape from with the right help, no one should commit suicide)
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Posted 1/19/14 , edited 1/19/14

uncletim wrote:


I think it's for health reasons I told my family to toss my body in an river somewhere......hopefuly they do it after I die


:I Apparently you can't toss people where-ever in the United States because they want you to be embalmed and cemented in so your juices and harmful chemicals don't go into the ecosystem. It's kinda dumb, since the embalming fluid is a huge environmental mess to begin with. There are places where you can be naturally buried or buried with like seeds so you create a pretty area, but these are sanctioned areas you can't be buried in like your backyard without some legal BS.

Anyway, they just legalized assisted suicide for terminally ill patients in the state of New Mexico. Way to go.
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Bablioteca wrote:

"All of the problems you can imagine that come from suicide are not as significant as the problem of not choosing to be born in the first place. Since nobody has chosen to be born, you should not force them to live, regardless of their impact on your life. If you are forcing people to live, you are the one who is completely selfish because they never chose this life to begin with, they owe you absolutely nothing! They never signed a contract or made any kind of agreement to live out this life, so they inherently have the right to go as they please. To force them to live is nothing short of slavery. "

There really is no problem toward society on the topic of choosing to be born. (except if you're making a stretch onto the abortion debate) That is why it is not an issue within the grand scheme of society. To society suicide is however a problem, it creates a mess, it creates victims of the living. Society inherently cannot be selfish because it is in itself the whole. To be colloquially selfish is to put yourself before the numbers. There are circumstances where society does grant the right to die they are generally in the face of inevitability, such as an incurable disease. In such cases you are allowed to refuse medical treatment. This is, however, not really suicide.

The morality of suicide as far as i can quickly reckon comes down to two dominant paradigms within society:

1) for the western religious (the general society i believe we are discussing) suicide is a grave sin due to wasting what God(s) have given.

2) for the not so religious, suicide is an inherently irrational action. If it is not in itself considered mental illness it is likely to be considered a symptom thereof.

"No one commits suicide because they want to die." - Tiffanie DeBartolo


Suicide is the murder of your own human potential. It's placed upon a scale, there are cases where self termination are not frowned upon by society, and it is generally when it is in effort to benefit the greater whole. We call that heroism and heroism is inherently not selfish.

I'm not even sure "frown" is the right word for society's general feelings toward suicide. I'm pretty sure as a societal trope, suicide is generally considered tragic in modern times.


I don't believe that refusing a select number of choices is irrational in any way; it is merely an expression of freedom that should be recognized and respected. I disagree with DeBartolo's comment and that a person could very well want to die in order to experience any of the three possibilities that could occur after death, which are a cessation of existence, an existence that is better, and an existence that is worse. Society should be obligated to right the initial wrong of unconsented birthing if it is at all concerned with being objectively moral.
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Posted 1/25/14
Death is an inevitability and in fact a necessity. We are already an over-populated planet and continue to expound upon this problem. It can be argued we would be forced to reduce conception rates if we actually DID find a path to immortality, however that is neither here nor there.

People should be allowed to choose their death if they desire. EVERYONE should get with a lawyer and draw up "DNR" papers for themselves if they care about their family and loved ones financially. Our society is so focused on "keeping people alive" that it is common for families to be driven into poverty because of hospitals, or even individuals, who step in and refuse to allow someone to pass on.

I, for one am not afraid of death but I do not long for it. It will come when it comes. I am agnostic, I do not know who or what is in control of destinies or an after-life. And frankly I am beyond caring really. Life as we know it is brutal, violent, ugly. There is beauty in life for sure, but finding your own path to happiness is perilous as interacting with other people is akin to flipping a coin.

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Death happens, deal with it, people should be able to remove themselves from the rat-race when they desire.
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I didn't think there was anything against this.
Suicide from depression or bullying wasn't what I had in mind, because the cause for wanting to die can be fixed, can be solved so that they no longer want to die.

But what about people who are permanently hospitalized, or are so old, so disabled there is nothing they can do on their own anymore? I think those people have the right to choose when they want to stop the care, the unnatural life prolongation, and just pass on.
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Posted 3/14/14
If someone has the right to live, then they have the right to die.
I think it is as simple as that.
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Posted 3/15/14
The majority of people just think that trying to keep someone alive or convince them not to kill themselves is noble, or the "right" thing to do without giving it so much thought. Wanting to die/being suicidal is usually spawned by mental illness, which can usually be helped, so naturally people believe that fixing the problem is the way to go rather than just letting someone off themselves, right?

It's a very complicated subject, really. Everyone is different and there can be so many circumstances surrounding their wish to die. It isn't as black and white as it may seem. But when it all comes down to it, I think that yes, someone should have the right to die if that's what they want. Their life is their own to do with as they wish, and killing yourself isn't "selfish", as most people would put it. I think it's more selfish to force someone to live miserably just because you want them around. Some problems that make life no longer worth living can't be fixed, and it's silly for someone who isn't the one suffering to think they can understand or have the right to dictate whether that person should have to live with it or not.
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Have you ever heard of the 'Hippocratic Oath'?

That's why.
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Become a doctor and do it for other people, you will change the world . Every little helps when you're selfless :).
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Posted 27 days ago
They have the right to do whatever with their lives. I don't agree on suicide, but it's their decision.
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Personally I think that people had the right to do whatever the hell they want with their life... if they are in the correct mental state...
... Which means, if psychiatrist deemed that you are mentally unstable, then you do not have the right to suicide...

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kitoka wrote:

Without taking into consideration religious belief and my bias, at first, I was thinking that it's a matter of personal autonomy. It's your life, you make your personal choices so you should have the right to take your own life as you will. But then, what if suicide/suicidal thoughts are triggered by some temporary hormonal imbalance or some kind of a psychological disorder that can be treated? That when you are deciding to die you are not making a sound judgement because you're essentially sick. So my take on this is - at this point where we don't know much about the stimuli, committing suicide should not be a right. But I am not talking about mercy killing or Euthanasia, I fully support assisted suicide as a last resort. I'm referring to a case when a sound person (facing some hardships or not) suddenly wants to die.

I wholly agree. If the right to die becomes universal (including all mental and physical states and in every situation), many people would choose to die. Everyone has hardships in life, but if someone is given the right to die due to something that is solvable or non-life threatening, then that person is given the right to give up. The tendency to live is important for an organism and a specie's survival. If suicide in all situations was natural and beneficial for us, then we would have already smashed in our skulls with rocks.

I support euthanasia if an individual is terminally ill or in chronic, untreatable pain, and only if the individual wants to die. If they are going to die in the end, why must they suffer longer than they need to?

There is a possible issue with euthanasia, however. If an individual's mental capacity and ability were to be impaired, could they really properly assess the situation and state whether they want to live or not? If someone is in a vegetative state or in a coma, they don't have the ability to state their willingness. In this situation, there is a "passive euthanasia" where a terminally ill patient is allowed to die naturally.

We, as humans, have the ability to kill animals to end their suffering, but we cannot do it to our own species who are suffering and wanting to die. What makes us so different from other animals? We kill suffering animals who don't even consciously want to die, whereas we can't even think to end the suffering of people who consciously want to die. Isn't that worse? Or are we so different and special, so human, so full of our species, that we don't even consider ourselves animals, any more?
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Mostly since as I semi explained in the Is Evil Real? thread its all about morals and social pressure and a human life is valued by many and its one of the reasons human sacrifice exists and mental stability is something to if a person has depression that's serious then the should only have that right if at that time they are thinking with a clear head and human life is considered by most the most valuable type of life
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