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Posted 10/24/12

kennk5 wrote:

A long as your decision to off yourself doesn't impact anyone else I say go for it
Don't be a burden to your friends or family in death or life.


I plan to take my "End of Life" Vision Quest in three years at the Hopi Res outside Tucson,AZ
I took my original Vision Quest there 31 years ago I just hope they will let me take it


To all the young ones out there, getting dumped is not a reason to off yourself.
Before doing something like that come see me. as you need a good smack up side your head...or a kiss.


I am a burden to society, because I am taking up valuable resources that could be going to someone more worthy than I.

And what is this Vision Quest you speak of?
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When it becomes legal I'll eat my words, but I don't think it will happen in our life time.



That is the sad part, and unfortunately there is no moral intuition that you can attach it to that would make it popular among the masses.
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I died once... but I SURVIVED!!!
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Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:

I died once... but I SURVIVED!!!


Can this paradox be explained?
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lordseth23 wrote:
I believe that, just like there is a national hotline for people with depression, there should be a national hotline for people that want to die, and that the government could secretly kill the person in a non-painful way without letting anybody know about it. This would certainly help me in my case, because I have a loving family that would never allow me to commit suicide.


So what you're saying is that the people's taxes should go toward funding an anonymous group within the government whose only purpose is to serve someone who will no longer have the capacity to pay a single cent to the government for the rest of eternity. That seems to go completely against the government's own interests.
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If you want to die, why not do it yourself? Why does someone else have to do it for you?
Posted 10/24/12

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lordseth23 wrote:
I believe that, just like there is a national hotline for people with depression, there should be a national hotline for people that want to die, and that the government could secretly kill the person in a non-painful way without letting anybody know about it. This would certainly help me in my case, because I have a loving family that would never allow me to commit suicide.


So what you're saying is that the people's taxes should go toward funding an anonymous group within the government whose only purpose is to serve someone who will no longer have the capacity to pay a single cent to the government for the rest of eternity. That seems to go completely against the government's own interests.


^^^THIS.
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staphen wrote:


lordseth23 wrote:
I believe that, just like there is a national hotline for people with depression, there should be a national hotline for people that want to die, and that the government could secretly kill the person in a non-painful way without letting anybody know about it. This would certainly help me in my case, because I have a loving family that would never allow me to commit suicide.


So what you're saying is that the people's taxes should go toward funding an anonymous group within the government whose only purpose is to serve someone who will no longer have the capacity to pay a single cent to the government for the rest of eternity. That seems to go completely against the government's own interests.


Good point. But if you factor in all the jobless people that are getting transfer payments, then it should balance out and be somewhat profitable.
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lordseth23 wrote:


Somewhat_Insane_Monkey wrote:

I died once... but I SURVIVED!!!


Can this paradox be explained?


Oh! That's easy! All you need is poison and two Defibrillators.
Step 1. Find a good place to lay down and drink the poison.
Step 2. Quickly before the poison takes effect suspend both arms with the defibrillators in both hands straight forward.
Step 3. Wait until fully dead.
Step 4. Hope to God that the defibrillators land on your chest and revive you.
If you are not sent to a morgue the very next day then CONGRATS!!! You have survived death!
I'm kidding don't do it!!!
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Lordseth23, your are in need of some serious help if you think that idea is anywhere near okay. No joke, no trollin. You need to get off here and go talk to a family member, counselor, therapist, best-friend's cousin's dog if it will help find you help. Hell I'll talk to ya if need be. And if you aren't think about committing suicide, then why in the hell do you even think that is a good idea?

Generally the people who commit suicide are people who want a solution to a temporary problem and pick the most permanent one. I can't find another description for these kind of people other than selfish and cowardly. I've spent the last 30 minutes trying to find a more sensitive way to put that, but couldn't come up with one. I'm sure most of you have heard this in various anti-suicide prevention seminars at school or what not.

As for the right to die, no. I think there should never be a right to die outside certain medical situations(such as DNR orders). I'm with the general population of this topic that most people who want to die are under some sort of mental duress, need help, and cannot figure out how to get it. And there is no real way to gauge if they are under mental duress or not because people lie. If a right to die came about, people who want to get authorization to die know that if they keep their problems to themselves, no one can prove they need help. It would just be too easy to off yourself.

Also person's death doesn't just affect them, but everyone they interact with at any given time. Someone on here mentioned that people kill themselves because a loved one died and they can't handle it. What about said person's mother, father, siblings, friends, etc? What if your death caused them to want to kill themselves? There would be a string of deaths around the globe that started from this scenario.

I could keep going on about this, but it's so frustrating that anyone even thinks that killing themselves should be made okay.
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I can't help but find this thread foolish, obviously if you were completely committed to dying you'd be dead already so is this just a grab for attention or what? And the talk about a government hotline for people who want to die? Like hell if my tax dollars will ever go to such a stupid idea, if you don't have the stomach to do it yourself you don't have the right to die simple as that.
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An old man dies. A young woman lives.



Fair trade.
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If someone wants to die badly enough, they can just kill themselves. It isn't that hard. It's one of the most selfish actions a person can take, but it can be done. I would say something about how a person deciding to kill themselves should at least have the courtesy to do so in a way that they don't cause a big mess others have to clean up, but again, people that kill themselves are selfish, so that would fall on dead ears.

If a person is going to kill themselves, they don't need the assistance of anyone else (unless they are physically incapable of doing so). Forming any such kind of suicide assistance line (assisting in committing suicide) would be asinine. Typically, the type of person that would talk to others about wanting to kill themselves, outside of seeking assistance or sympathy, are just seeking attention and not really seeking to kill themselves in the first place.

Society "frowns upon" suicide because (no particular order):
1. They don't want to have to deal with your mess/after effects. This could include having to care for the ones that fail to kill themselves.
2. Suicide is one of the most selfish acts that be committed. (The person committing the act is so self-centered that they don't realize how taking their life would make those that love them feel, believe no one could love them, or don't give a d*** about the people that do.)
3. Some have religions reasons
4. People don't want those they care about to kill themselves
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Lordseth23, your are in need of some serious help if you think that idea is anywhere near okay. No joke, no trollin. You need to get off here and go talk to a family member, counselor, therapist, best-friend's cousin's dog if it will help find you help. Hell I'll talk to ya if need be. And if you aren't think about committing suicide, then why in the hell do you even think that is a good idea?

Generally the people who commit suicide are people who want a solution to a temporary problem and pick the most permanent one. I can't find another description for these kind of people other than selfish and cowardly. I've spent the last 30 minutes trying to find a more sensitive way to put that, but couldn't come up with one. I'm sure most of you have heard this in various anti-suicide prevention seminars at school or what not.

As for the right to die, no. I think there should never be a right to die outside certain medical situations(such as DNR orders). I'm with the general population of this topic that most people who want to die are under some sort of mental duress, need help, and cannot figure out how to get it. And there is no real way to gauge if they are under mental duress or not because people lie. If a right to die came about, people who want to get authorization to die know that if they keep their problems to themselves, no one can prove they need help. It would just be too easy to off yourself.

Also person's death doesn't just affect them, but everyone they interact with at any given time. Someone on here mentioned that people kill themselves because a loved one died and they can't handle it. What about said person's mother, father, siblings, friends, etc? What if your death caused them to want to kill themselves? There would be a string of deaths around the globe that started from this scenario.

I could keep going on about this, but it's so frustrating that anyone even thinks that killing themselves should be made okay.


I am 21, but I feel like I am 150 years old. I am sick and tired of life, and just want to end it as soon as possible. It is not a temporary problem that you may be thinking of, it is just a collosal heap of shit that I am too tired to explain in great detail now, but it IS a permanent problem. All you need to know is that I am looking now at a future of solitude, I have never had any friends at any point in my life, and I don't see that changing at any point in my life. There is no reason for me to continue living if I will never reach a satisfactory level of happiness.

Maybe it is too hard for people that have normal lives to understand, but I am just stating a position that not very many people have the courage to put on public forum.
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Winterfells wrote:

An old man dies. A young woman lives.



Fair trade.


Include a foreveralone guy like me with the old man. That would be the best for society.
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