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Why do we anime fans not support the industry?
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Posted 10/26/12 , edited 10/26/12
Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

Think importing's too expensive? Why don't you buy anime locally? It's certainly cheaper than importing. Even if you hate dubs, there's almost always a Japanese audio track. American licencors aren't as evil as you think. Supporting them helps the Japanese too.

Yes. We aren't the target market. But that doesn't give us an excuse to steal from them. It's a struggling industry that survives mostly on carbon copies. Helping them won't hurt anyone.

original content: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=493637
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Posted 10/26/12

Zeta-Nu wrote:

Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

Think importing's too expensive? Why don't you buy anime locally? It's certainly cheaper than importing. Even if you hate dubs, there's almost always a Japanese audio track. American licencors aren't as evil as you think. Supporting them helps the Japanese too.

Yes. We aren't the target market. But that doesn't give us an excuse to steal from them. It's a struggling industry that survives mostly on carbon copies. Helping them won't hurt anyone.


Umm, speak for yourself I happily contribute to the industry
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Posted 10/26/12 , edited 10/26/12

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Helping them won't hurt anyone.


It hurts one's wallet .

I don't care if people pirate, I'd be a hypocrite if I say otherwise. However it does get on my nerve whenever I meet a person who labels themselves as a huge anime/manga fan when they haven't given anything in return to the anime/manga industry.

EDIT: Saying "I spread the word" doesn't really count.
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Posted 10/26/12
i don`t download anime episodes, i always watch them online.

i spend my money to buy anime stuff, DVD, manga and more.
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anyways to justify my claims I have anime figures and anime accessories
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Posted 10/26/12
I support the industry to the point of buying stock in Navarre, Funimation's parent organization.
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Its a hard thing to really say because we don't goes through some peoples minds. I for one do like buying my anime and manga. I just do. I watch stuff online, and hope that it gets released here so that I can buy it. I watched Lucky star on here and as soon as I had the money I got the whole series.

And yeah the money argument is a really lame excuse, but for a lot of people that is the main reason. Not saying that its right, but some people they can't afford it. So may think its easier to watch or read these things online because it doesn't take up as much room in their house. The list of excuse can go on and on.

I don't have a real problem with people reading manga online or watching anime online, so long as, once it is brought over to the states that the person goes out and actually buys the damn thing.
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Posted 10/26/12 , edited 10/26/12
I only watch my anime through paid sites (hopefully the metrics, if not the coin end up back in the industry).

I buy seasons of shows on DVD that I enjoy.

I volunteer at anime conventions. I can afford to go, but I like helping others enjoy my favorite art form.

The only other thing I could do is go to Japan and deliver lunches to the animation offices so they can continue to work during lunch instead of going out to eat.
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It also depends on your market area and its economy (as well demographics and income). It's easy to pull off a "righteous card". My state's economy isn't getting any better (and probably won't be for years--NO POLITICS, PLEASE!!) so I can only watch what's online 'til I can get a decent paying job. Word of mouth also helps. Needless to say, GREATLY on the Internet.
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Why do you assume that we dont contribute? This is a legal anime site.
I tend to watch shows here and then only buy them if I feel I like them enough, theres no point buying a show unless you know you will watch it multiple times.
I will say however that if there is no legal option to watch a show I wanna see then I will resort to an illegal source. (Btw I dont think paying like 500 usd for a 26 episode series from Japan is a viable solution to this even if it is legal.)


Edit: Dont bring up the whole local dvd thing as those things take 1-2 years to come out and even then I have to import from the US which can result in like a 40% customs charge by the UK import laws, either that or wait another 6 months and hope a UK sub-licensor gets it.
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Posted 10/26/12
If you are a paying member of this site, then you are contributing to the industry.

So I don't know what you are talking about.

As a side note, some anime/manga doesn't get liscensed for the rest of the world at all... but thats another kettle of fish.
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Posted 10/26/12 , edited 10/26/12

Zeta-Nu wrote:

Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

Think importing's too expensive? Why don't you buy anime locally? It's certainly cheaper than importing. Even if you hate dubs, there's almost always a Japanese audio track. American licencors aren't as evil as you think. Supporting them helps the Japanese too.

Yes. We aren't the target market. But that doesn't give us an excuse to steal from them. It's a struggling industry that survives mostly on carbon copies. Helping them won't hurt anyone.

original content: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=493637


I think the overall problem lies in most people's nature. They want movies for free and expects everyone else to pay instead. Another reason is the logic of the "Why pay while I can get it for free?"-argument, which sadly lies deep within people's skull - which, of course - makes them come up with stupid excuses not to pay for what they want in exchange. I too, had those thoughts once in my younger days so I kind of, understand how these people are thinking. At least to a certain extent.

And I agree with you that we have no right not to pay for things that bear costs to enjoy. Unfortunately, knowing this won't keep anyone from doing some ugly stuff with uTorrent every once in a while... I've seen the pattern many times enough to justify this statement.

At least I'm not one of those who don't pay while having money in my pocket. That's why you're reading this post seeing a premium star above my avatar. And that's also why I've got a couple of PVC-figures and 25 DVD anime box sets in my collection shelf. I just don't want the industry to die, because I love what they produce. And I beg those selfish bastards out there to pay if and when you've got enough money to do so. ^_^
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Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price.


I think it's funny when people ask a question, and then stipulate that you can't respond with the best answer. Cheap still costs money. If the choice is between spending $0.01 or $0.00, the logical choice is $0.00. If the choice is between low quality and high quality, the logical choice is high quality. If the choice is between having something you like, and not having it, the logical choice is to have it. Many people believe they can have all three of these things by downloading illegally. They think, naively, that these things don't affect one another. Spending money allows for bigger budgets, which generally makes for higher quality. Likewise, lower quality generally makes for lower spending. If there is low enough spending, then some anime might fail to exist. Who knows whether there is good anime that might exist now if some of those people grew the industry with their money?

Also, in my experience, the only people that don't pay for the things they consume are kids. They don't work, so they don't have money, but they still expect to have stuff. Otherwise, if they do work, they probably still carry the same mindset that they deserve to have things, and that whether they pay for these things is independent of their right to those things. I would agree that it's better for me to pay for these things than to steal them, but I don't think that downloading illegally is necessarily "illogical." Rather, I'd say it's near-sighted or naive. You ask why these people don't support the industry, but you probably already know the answer. If your question is rhetorical, then I don't think a guilt trip will change their minds. Generally, experience will change these people's minds. I could go on for a long time about that last statement, but I'd rather cut this post down to a reasonable size, so I'll leave it at that.
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Posted 10/26/12
so what's your concern?
does pirating anime hurt you in any way?
if the anime industry is not capable of sustaining the business i won't mind if they stop producing anymore,
anime is just a means to pass time.
As soon as there are any anime available where i live, i will gladly buy them.
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In all honesty I don't think people think they're doing anything wrong, especially if it hasn't been licensed in the states. They wouldn't be able to watch it anyway. The industry still wouldn't be making money and anime wouldn't be nearly as popular. I've seen as many animes as i have because of free sites. So if they can find a show they want to watch and it's not available anywhere else then I don't really see anything wrong with it either. All of these pay sites exist because they now see there's a market for it and they want to capitalize. So if not for the free sites we wouldn't be having this discussion.


Zeta-Nu wrote:

Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

original content: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=493637


And money is always an issue, for consumers and companies so I wouldn't think these places are exactly noble. Companies like to make as much money as possible. For example, funimation licensed yu yu hakusho. If I had never seen it I would have to buy the dvds just to watch it. It's not on their website yet and it's not on crunchyroll. There is no tv station for me to watch it. Imagine if you had to buy the dvd's for every show you watch on tv? I don't mean watch it on tv and then buy the dvd. I mean in order to watch it you had to buy the dvds. That's a lot of money. If there was a show that wasn't available anywhere I'd watch it on a free site. I've been trying to watch Fate/Stay Night for the longest. I watched Fate/zero first.


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