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Why do we anime fans not support the industry?
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I only watch my anime on CR and only read the naruto manga on eatmanga theirs no way I could afford to buy all the naruto manga theirs 60 sumthin volumes id be broke
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Posted 10/26/12

Keiek5 wrote:


Zeta-Nu wrote:

Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

Think importing's too expensive? Why don't you buy anime locally? It's certainly cheaper than importing. Even if you hate dubs, there's almost always a Japanese audio track. American licencors aren't as evil as you think. Supporting them helps the Japanese too.

Yes. We aren't the target market. But that doesn't give us an excuse to steal from them. It's a struggling industry that survives mostly on carbon copies. Helping them won't hurt anyone.


Umm, speak for yourself I happily contribute to the industry


Same.
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Cause the shit's expensive as fuck
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andydono wrote: EDIT: Saying "I spread the word" doesn't really count.

Saying "I spread the word" counts if you are spreading the word on legit access. Tweeting a bit.ly of a Crunchyroll series, or a Funimation series, or the licensed Tezuka series that Viki are putting on Youtube ... that all counts.

Saying "I spread the word" doesn't count if your reply to "sounds cool, where can I watch it" is a link to a torrent download site or a leech streaming site.


LOSazimuth wrote: Cause the shit's expensive as fuck

Yeah, I understand, living in the Democratic Republic of Congo, your money doesn't go very far and since so much streaming is region blocked, you have to buy imports to ...

... oh, no, wait, your profile says you live in San Diego, where you get a bucketload of the season's series simulcast to you to watch with "free to you" ad streaming from Crunchyroll, Funimation, and Hulu ... and a site subscription per month for Crunchyroll, Funimation or TheAnimeNetwork is about the cost of a fast food meal or two.

So, no, that's no excuse for someone living in the US to use.
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Zeta-Nu wrote:

Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

Think importing's too expensive? Why don't you buy anime locally? It's certainly cheaper than importing. Even if you hate dubs, there's almost always a Japanese audio track. American licencors aren't as evil as you think. Supporting them helps the Japanese too.

Yes. We aren't the target market. But that doesn't give us an excuse to steal from them. It's a struggling industry that survives mostly on carbon copies. Helping them won't hurt anyone.

original content: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=493637


Because they think I'm going to pay two dollars an episode on a DVD for a crappy dub? Because they think that localizing means whitewashing the contents? Because they release anime five years after it comes out? Because the special features on a DVD consist of a gallery? Because the Blu-ray edition is ridiculously expensive compared to what it actually costs? Because they edit out the animation to be sensitive to Americans?

Shall I go on…

I have premium account here, I support legal anime, and I want to see it thrive. To really do this, I think we need to get rid of the American studios and just have the Japanese studios do it. All we need are the subs, send them out on some kind of digital distribution for pay, and move on with our lives.
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Posted 10/26/12

Keiek5 wrote:


Zeta-Nu wrote:

Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

Think importing's too expensive? Why don't you buy anime locally? It's certainly cheaper than importing. Even if you hate dubs, there's almost always a Japanese audio track. American licencors aren't as evil as you think. Supporting them helps the Japanese too.

Yes. We aren't the target market. But that doesn't give us an excuse to steal from them. It's a struggling industry that survives mostly on carbon copies. Helping them won't hurt anyone.


Umm, speak for yourself I happily contribute to the industry


as do i.
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LOSazimuth wrote:

Cause the shit's expensive as fuck


You know what's also expensive as fuck ?

My rent.

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LOSazimuth wrote:

Cause the shit's expensive as fuck


Skip some pints of beer and cups of coffee a month and you'll have money for some box sets.
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LOSazimuth wrote:

Cause the shit's expensive as fuck


So's a Ferrari. Are you going to go steal one now? I didn't think so. The consequences are much more obvious.
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Just so the OP knows: I am a premium member here and I buy an anime DVD about once a month from RightStuf [this year, I have bought: Fate Stay/Night: Unlimited Blade Works, K-ON!(Anime Legends), K-ON!! part 1(I will buy the 2nd half next month), Shakugan no Shana Season 1, The World God Only Knows, The World God Only Knows II(already saw it on Crunchyroll but wanted to hear the dub), Oreimo(wanted to see the OVAs), Cat Planet Cuties(already had seen most of it on CR), Infinate Stratos] and I have a pretty anime heavy December and January to consider.

I will mention that ad-supported viewing on Crunchyroll does support the industry a little, but getting a subscription here at Crunchyroll helps the industry more. Oh, and I will mention that my two favorite anime licensors are Sentai and Nozomi(shout out to Marimite- that's a great series).
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And what about anime that's gone out of print? If an anime has gone out of print, the distribution license has expired, meaning that DVDs of the anime become increasingly rare. So if you want to "support" the industry by paying for an out-of-print anime (assuming you can even find a copy), it can cost you hundreds of dollars for a single box set. Hundreds of dollars. That's an insult, considering that since nobody over here owns the rights anymore, none of your money even goes to the studio that produced it. It all ends up in the pockets of some third-party seller.

And no matter how little you want to hear the money argument, take a look for a moment at Aniplex. Yes, they produce great shows like Sword Art Online, and Durarara. Yes, a lot of their content is here, on Crunchyroll, where a paying member such as myself can watch the subs for free. But not everybody can settle for subs, and as a DVD distrubutor, Aniplex makes me so angry! If you're not a member of Crunchyroll, or for some reason cannot or will not watch subbed versions, then you'd have to pay ridiculously high prices for their DVDs. If you're not specifically looking for something, then you'll probably give them a pass and go find a better deal elsewhere. The result is that there's a slew of anime that could become very popular over here (imagine the popularity of Cowboy Bebop), but never will, because the prices scared off too many potential buyers.

Plus, I feel that if I ever do agree to pay what Aniplex expects me to, then that sends a message to them that I'm an easy source of revenue, and will pay anything for their content, regardless of its quality. And that's a bad message to send to any company.
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I love to buy blu-ray of anime that I love and only watch anime here, only thing I can say I do for free is to read manga online, like naruto.
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And what about anime that's gone out of print? If an anime has gone out of print, the distribution license has expired, meaning that DVDs of the anime become increasingly rare. So if you want to "support" the industry by paying for an out-of-print anime (assuming you can even find a copy), it can cost you hundreds of dollars for a single box set. Hundreds of dollars. That's an insult, considering that since nobody over here owns the rights anymore, none of your money even goes to the studio that produced it. It all ends up in the pockets of some third-party seller.

And no matter how little you want to hear the money argument, take a look for a moment at Aniplex. Yes, they produce great shows like Sword Art Online, and Durarara. Yes, a lot of their content is here, on Crunchyroll, where a paying member such as myself can watch the subs for free. But not everybody can settle for subs, and as a DVD distrubutor, Aniplex makes me so angry! If you're not a member of Crunchyroll, or for some reason cannot or will not watch subbed versions, then you'd have to pay ridiculously high prices for their DVDs. If you're not specifically looking for something, then you'll probably give them a pass and go find a better deal elsewhere. The result is that there's a slew of anime that could become very popular over here (imagine the popularity of Cowboy Bebop), but never will, because the prices scared off too many potential buyers.

Plus, I feel that if I ever do agree to pay what Aniplex expects me to, then that sends a message to them that I'm an easy source of revenue, and will pay anything for their content, regardless of its quality. And that's a bad message to send to any company.


Concerning out-of-print anime, I really sympathize with that since it's difficult to find, and there are some scumbags who charge more than $100 for series that only cost around $50 to 70 when they were in print. Thankfully, when a show gets licensed-rescued, you can get the DVDs for a reasonable price and support the anime companies(and the leeching scumbags get nothing).

I have a love/hate mindset towards Aniplex of America. I love how they make their shows available on Crunchyroll but for the most part, I really hate their business model and I hate their prices. Oreimo got a re-release(it was bare-bones though) that was reasonably priced so that is the only Aniplex of America series that I have bought. But $150 for Garden of Sinners or Bakemonogatari with no dub and crappy overpriced extras that I don't want? PASS! If Aniplex of America does even a bare-bones rerelease for around $70 then I will buy(I am willing to go for $100 for a dub. Dubs add value for me).

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I am a full all-access premium member here and I order from amazon.co.jp for manga and DVDs. I couldn't afford to contribute much more than I do! I don't read any manga online as I prefer to read the real original Japanese on paper. I have streamed some early versions of shows which are available here before but this season I have gone 100% legit, only watching here and on Funimation where I am also a member though for just 2-3 shows I am watching ads there for now... seemed like there were ads for their simulcasts anyways even as an Elite Subscriber so there didn't seem to be much point for three show; if I find I want to watch something Elite only then I'll pay.
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Posted 10/26/12

agila61 wrote:

Saying "I spread the word" counts if you are spreading the word on legit access. Tweeting a bit.ly of a Crunchyroll series, or a Funimation series, or the licensed Tezuka series that Viki are putting on Youtube ... that all counts.

Saying "I spread the word" doesn't count if your reply to "sounds cool, where can I watch it" is a link to a torrent download site or a leech streaming site.



That's what I was thinking of when I was typing that... Should of worded it differently.
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