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Why do we anime fans not support the industry?
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Posted 10/26/12 , edited 10/26/12

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Cause the shit's expensive as fuck


So's a Ferrari. Are you going to go steal one now? I didn't think so. The consequences are much more obvious.


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"So's a Ferrari. Are you going to go steal one now? I didn't think so."

You went straight for Ferrari? That's way outside the realm of what we're talkin' about here. I mean, anime can be as much as like 120 bucks while a Ferrari is thousands. I steal my anime like the $400 64-GB iPod Touch in my right pocket. That's a much more realistic example.
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Posted 10/26/12 , edited 10/26/12

LOSazimuth wrote:


deadpanditto wrote:


LOSazimuth wrote:

Cause the shit's expensive as fuck


So's a Ferrari. Are you going to go steal one now? I didn't think so. The consequences are much more obvious.


*Facepalm* Point successfully missed.


Nope. I'm sure I'm not the one missing the point.

Edited:
Yes, I over inflated the issue, but your edit proved that you got my point. It is still theft no matter the value, but you can find a justification based on the risk.
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Nope. I'm sure I'm not the one missing the point.


What? Stealing more expensive shit has bigger consequences? Well no way I had no freakin' idea.

The hell does that have to do with this? Besides, I simply stated that anime is expensive as hell. No one in their right mind would steal a Ferrari, but millions (if not hundreds of thousands) steal anime on a daily basis. Its digital media and people are cheap. Sure, there's those that would pay for anime, and I am one of them, but there are many, many more who'd rather get the same shit for free cause, um, gee, I don't know, anime is expensive as fuck for just a few episodes of a show.

I don't know about you, but I'd steal a Ferrari right away if it was as simple as downloading it. I mean, why pay thousands of bucks for something you could get for free? It's a no-brainer.
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Posted 10/26/12

deadpanditto wrote:


Kohou wrote:

2) "Used" anime. This is actually one that I wonder about. Amazon used sales means not a dime goes to the industry, it goes to the seller. ... Now, ignorance is not an excuse per se, and buying a used copy means SOMEONE had to buy it new, but you can see my dilemma.



That's perfectly legal. It's called The Right of First Sale. The wiki article is long, but to summarize: A company can only expect money from the first sale. They can't expect anything from secondary sales, otherwise that would cripple a chunk of the economy. In other words, you couldn't buy used books, clothes, cars, etc.


MatsumotoMania wrote:

I've checked Amazon for "Bodacious Space Pirates", which Sentai licensed recently. On Sentai's home site, a disc of the first 13 episodes will cost you about $60, but on Amazon, the price was considerably lower, and they're not even available for preorder yet, so there's no way that anybody owns it and is reselling it right now.


""Bodacious Space Pirates" doesn't illustrate the point that others were trying to make. The problem is really with out of print titles. Check out Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (When They Cry). The lowest price is $229. The highest is $889.


Oh yes, I know about Right of First Sale. It doesn't stop game devs from labeling people who use Game Stop pirates. Most notably Lionhead Studios and the like.

What I meant to say, and clearly did not, is that I know many people who take a similar stance on buying used anime. I screwed up by crossing that with my own worry about rentals in anime.
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Posted 10/26/12

LOSazimuth wrote:


deadpanditto wrote:


LOSazimuth wrote:

Cause the shit's expensive as fuck


So's a Ferrari. Are you going to go steal one now? I didn't think so. The consequences are much more obvious.


*Facepalm* Point successfully missed.


"So's a Ferrari. Are you going to go steal one now? I didn't think so."

You went straight for Ferrari? That's way outside the realm of what we're talkin' about here. I mean, anime can be as much as like 120 bucks while a Ferrari is thousands. I steal my anime like the $400 64-GB iPod Touch in my right pocket. That's a much more realistic example.


...So it's fine to steal as long as it's not expensive? In other words, the moral rightness scales with the value of the product?
Either taking something without paying for it is right or it isn't.
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Posted 10/26/12 , edited 10/26/12

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I don't know what brought this up crunchyroll is 100% legal it contracts with the people who make the anime just like a tv station would. you can watch it as a free member and they make money off the Commercials or a paid member and get it Commercial free, the anime producers get a cut of the profit. Just because it's the internet doesn't mean it's pirated material. So take you ignorant bleeding heart to the illegal sites and don't accuse this site of being illegal and don't accuse us of not supporting the anime industry,. Besides being a paid member of this site I also am a paid member of FUNimation which makes and airs anime. I don't take kindly to someone falsely accusing me or others of something just because they assume something without researching it.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crunchyroll#History

Please read the history of this website.


please read the last part of that
"However, Crunchyroll eventually began securing legal distribution agreements with companies, including Gonzo, for an increasing number of titles. On January 8, 2009, after announcing a deal with TV Tokyo to host episodes of Naruto Shippuden, Crunchyroll stated that it was committed to removing all copyright infringing material from its site and to hosting only content to which it had legitimate distribution rights.[6]

In 2010, Crunchyroll announced that it has acquired the North American DVD rights to 5 Centimeters Per Second. It is the first DVD release licensed by Crunchyroll.[7]"
I didn't start what anime on here till 2011 by that time this site was 100% legal. It may have been a illegal site in the past but the present crunchyroll site is by all mean a legal site. Don't condemn this site and it's present users for something that happened in the past. This is why I hate copy right laws because half the time bleeding hearts are the ones complaining and not the copy right holders and the majority of the time there is no violation just goody goodies trying to act all high and mighty. This site does not violate any copyright laws in it's present form and if you still think other wise inform the companies who are supposedly getting cheated.
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Because the industry doesn't give us a reason to do so.

Only CR is trying. Which is why I'm giving all my support to it.
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I buy manga and figurines

I might buy some blu ray titles but I heard most of them are upscaled and shit - I might not be helping the anime industry but I've donated money to fansubs who really prove themselves to be worth supporting. If those companies who licenses stuff would actually bring good quality for a fair price for our product needs then we might not be having this discussion.

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Zeta-Nu wrote:

Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

Think importing's too expensive? Why don't you buy anime locally? It's certainly cheaper than importing. Even if you hate dubs, there's almost always a Japanese audio track. American licencors aren't as evil as you think. Supporting them helps the Japanese too.

Yes. We aren't the target market. But that doesn't give us an excuse to steal from them. It's a struggling industry that survives mostly on carbon copies. Helping them won't hurt anyone.


Umm, speak for yourself I happily contribute to the industry


i visited Otakuzine Convention 4 times, i spend $3000 to buy anime stuffs, Anime T-shirts, Anime DVD and more.
i`ve wasted $2850 for this and i got so many collections, proud to be an Otaku.

Also here is my Piechart


i`m not so addicted to anime, i`m addicted to Touhou.
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I support the industry as much as i can, I always check for stuff legally or locally first before resorting to anything else, i love supporting the industry cause then i get more anime later
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i buy most of my anime from imports because i just enjoy that feeling i get as it arrives and knowing that its another great night of anime and if not i just watch stuff on crunchy or on anime network
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i visited Otakuzine Convention 4 times, i spend $3000 to buy anime stuffs, Anime T-shirts, Anime DVD and more.
i`ve wasted $2850 for this and i got so many collections, proud to be an Otaku.

Also here is my Piechart


i`m not so addicted to anime, i`m addicted to Touhou.


So you as a 17 yr old have burning money like that, that cool. But there are kids that age who don't, I know I didn't. At 17, I had no money to my name only the clothes on my back and a way to get to school. My mother did not even believe in allowance much less "wasting money", as she puts it, on anime and mangas. My only way to get anime entertainment was to steal it, even got most of my illegal stuff here, back in day. This thread is mean and point less, since the moral of the story is: when we want something we get it; when we have something and able to, we share it. Why judge?

(I may be wrong in your age, but my point is this is just mean)
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So you as a 17 yr old have burning money like that, that cool. But there are kids that age who don't, I know I didn't. At 17, I had no money to my name only the clothes on my back and a way to get to school. My mother did not even believe in allowance much less "wasting money", as she puts it, on anime and mangas. My only way to get anime entertainment was to steal it, even got most of my illegal stuff here, back in day. This thread is mean and point less, since the moral of the story is: when we want something we get it; when we have something and able to, we share it. Why judge?

(I may be wrong in your age, but my point is this is just mean)


for my allowance, my parents gave me $200 per day.
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Zeta-Nu wrote:

Don't make the money argument. There's plenty of places you can legally watch anime at a cheap price. Even if it's not supporting the industry all that much, it's better than nothing.

Think importing's too expensive? Why don't you buy anime locally? It's certainly cheaper than importing. Even if you hate dubs, there's almost always a Japanese audio track. American licencors aren't as evil as you think. Supporting them helps the Japanese too.

Yes. We aren't the target market. But that doesn't give us an excuse to steal from them. It's a struggling industry that survives mostly on carbon copies. Helping them won't hurt anyone.

original content: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=493637


It's a struggling industry? Does that mean financial? Wow!

Can't believe they still release a lot of anime per season.

If anime'd disappear anytime soon (w/c I doubt it would even in 5 years [gut feeling only].. Hopefully that'd force me to find a more productive hobby

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