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Why do we anime fans not support the industry?
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Posted 10/30/12
I certainly spend A LOT of money on anime things such as DVD, posters, audio tracks, and what have you. (Plus this site) But it really depends on the persons wallet. This stuff is expensive. REALLY expensive. And although I would love to be able to buy every series out there, I don't have that much money which leads to ---> me pirating stuff online.

I have a big appetite when it comes to anime, and watching a 4-5 episode DVD that I got for 20 bucks absolutely does NOT satiate that.
Sorry, Japanese anime industries, I still love you.
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Posted 10/30/12
I can think of two things:

1. There was more fansubbing before sites like Crunchyroll & Funnimation made shows available that were not released on (expensive) DVDs. For example, Tokyo Mew Mew has never been released in original form in the US.

2. It seems like more shows are available on DVDs in complete packages (i.e. 12 episodes per pack instead of 4 episodes per pack).

Bottom line, cost & availability decrease the impulse to download.
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I think there are a number of reasons. For one, up until recently, if you wanted to watch a new show, you HAD to watch it illegally. Let's say you hear about a new show that's really good. Guess what, it's both a waiting and guessing game to see if it will actually come out on DVD over here, and even if it does, it will likely be about two years later. Let's say you're interested in the new James Bond film that's coming out. Imagine being told that everyone else could see it, but the movie theaters and DVD stores said that they wouldn't let you see it or buy it until two years have passed. What would you do? Most likely go and pirate the movie. You feel it's unfair and there's little reason for it, that other people can see it without a problem but you can't. You might say this doesn't apply now with services like Crunchyroll now, but it does. Many people got so used to pirating anime that it bred a sense of entitlement, that they're entitled to free anime. I think many people got so used to not paying for anime that they started to see nothing wrong with it.

The other problem is the high prices. Funimation, while fairly reasonable, does make you pay a bit more than the average same length TV series because less people buy them. And when you talk about publishers like Aniplex, who charge $200 for a twelve episode series like Bakemonogatari, it turns people off from buying anime DVDs all together. That coupled with the changing movies and TV market shifting towards streaming, and the fact that anime is absurdly easy to find illegally streaming have all hurt the anime industry tremendously in the west.
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Posted 10/30/12 , edited 10/30/12
I don't support everything its way to expensive (I mean HOtD came out at $70 and for half of Steins Gate its $50(some examples to show prices)) anime is crazy to buy and don't tell me to buy manga because maybe I don't like it I know its cheaper also some great shows don't come to America and importing is expensive

Its the same in terms of tv I watch shows doesn't mean I go and buy their crap

However overall I can supported the industry just not much I only bought The Melancholy of Haurhi Suzumiya (season 1&2 & movie) and the Spice and Wolf Complete Collection
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Posted 10/30/12
I support the industry in any way that I can:

1. I am a paying member on Crunchyroll
2. Buy many of my favorite anime shows/movies on dvd
3. Collect anime posters/wall scrolls & figurines
4. Buy manga

What someone can afford plays a big part in whether they are able to support the industry and it's the reason why some people can't do so, but I love the anime industry and do what I can to help make sure it continues.

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Posted 10/30/12
i want to buy cds but i dont like itunes or the concept of buying them online i do play to buy some when i go to japan though
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Posted 10/31/12 , edited 10/31/12

koops330 wrote:

I don't support everything its way to expensive (I mean HOtD came out at $70 and for half of Steins Gate its $50(some examples to show prices)) anime is crazy to buy and don't tell me to buy manga because maybe I don't like it I know its cheaper also some great shows don't come to America and importing is expensive

Its the same in terms of tv I watch shows doesn't mean I go and buy their crap

However overall I can supported the industry just not much I only bought The Melancholy of Haurhi Suzumiya (season 1&2 & movie) and the Spice and Wolf Complete Collection


The read like "Support = Buy the DVD/BD". But that's so late 90's. "Support" is not limited to "buy the home video". Like AshAero says:

AshAero wrote:

I support the industry in any way that I can:

1. I am a paying member on Crunchyroll
2. Buy many of my favorite anime shows/movies on dvd
3. Collect anime posters/wall scrolls & figurines
4. Buy manga

What someone can afford plays a big part in whether they are able to support the industry and it's the reason why some people can't do so, but I love the anime industry and do what I can to help make sure it continues.

Its not like "support" is doing ALL of that, its doing ANY of that.

Somebody that can only afford to buy a month's subscription on Crunchyroll three or four times a year to catch up on premium-only content, and buys $20 of JManga titles matching their favorite anime is supporting the industry.

People who can afford to buy $500 import sets from Japan, {applause}, that's great support for the industry, but someone who can only afford $30 in a whole year and spends almost all of it to get a single month to catch up at the end of each broadcast season at Crunchyroll, {APPLAUSE}, my hats off to you. They're a real fan.

On the other hand, when you see someone talking about how they are a big fan of some series, but they "need" ripped downloads because they "can't afford" to support it, and "streams give them eye cancer", then they ask about how they can watch their ripped downloads on their iPhone ... no, obviously they can "afford to" support the series in some way, they just can't be bothered to. They are just making excuses for ripping off the creators of the anime.


mesomuffin wrote: I certainly spend A LOT of money on anime things such as DVD, posters, audio tracks, and what have you. (Plus this site) But it really depends on the persons wallet. This stuff is expensive. REALLY expensive. And although I would love to be able to buy every series out there, I don't have that much money which leads to ---> me pirating stuff online.

I have a big appetite when it comes to anime, and watching a 4-5 episode DVD that I got for 20 bucks absolutely does NOT satiate that.

Sorry, Japanese anime industries, I still love you.

I buy DVD's because I really love the show, not to just watch it once. And while I swore off pirated downloads in 2008 when I found out that all the ways I'd read that they "supported" the industry were not actually true ...
... but its easy to do that in the United States, because there's not just Crunchyroll, but also the massive back catalog available for free viewing at Hulu and Funimation.com (and even YouTube). In Europe, where the cut and sliced national anime markets means there is no "Hulu Europe", but for a lot of countries just Crunchyroll and a handful of old anime on YouTube and Viki, its just a lot harder to support series by watching them on legit sites.

And if people download bootlegs of series that are not licensed in their country, but do support the industry in some way, then at least some money gets to the anime industry.

Actually, as long as they don't watch on bootleg streaming sites that compete head to head against legit sites (in countries where the series is licensed), I'm pretty confident its a net "win" for the industry.
Posted 10/31/12
i have loots anime stuff just some times there not available to buy/watch so just stream them
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Posted 11/12/12
I've been on CR for a year or two now, and about 4-5 months as a premium user, but I've always supported the Anime industry. I'm always buying limited editions of anime DVDs/BluRays or imported videogames that are anime or made by companies, i.e. Bamco or NIS. And I don't mind buying BluRays at all, because I like to collect and I love having a damn good quality set to watch. And I will continue to do so also.

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Posted 11/12/12
I contribute a bit, but the reason why i download most is because i watch so much anime that if i paid for it all, i`d be flat broke.
Posted 11/12/12
You said not to make the money argument but that's my reason, if I only had more money it would all go to anime. right now all I can do is pay for the CR account and buy some manga.(I'm hoping to support it a whole lot for christmas but my hopes arent too high)
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Posted 11/12/12 , edited 11/12/12
I don't think that anyone watching illegally in the English world is 'hurting the anime industry' If the anime industry is THAT dependant on foreign income then they would take much less than two years to get their act together to actually SELL to the english speaking market.

What I do think Streaming (both legal and Illegal) hurts is the Anime Importing companies. They are constantly having to sell a product that the die fans already saw two years ago. The only way that works is if they invest even more money putting some 'value added' content on the DVD. Given how unpopular dubs are with so many fans...

That doesn't work either. I don't think it's a coincidence that all the big anime/manga publishers in NA have been falling like rotted redwoods. (or reorganizing or whatever).

Funimation and Viz have even jumped on the legalized streaming bandwagon.
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Posted 11/12/12
As tenoriryuu wrote my issue is likewise money. I'm a college student living on my own who has to balance both working and classes while still trying to maintain a social life. It's brutality time consuming and heavy on the wallet. My local store isn't very kind to my wallet either with some Anime series going up to prices I simply can't throw away.

If I have a better career after college I'll be more then willing to support series that I especially love. Until then Crunchyroll is about as much as I can throw away for anime. I buy manga series that I especially love but that's about it.

Sometimes the biggest issue is literally money. Some of us just don't have enough to spread to everything we love.
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Posted 11/12/12
On a unrelated note. I think Convenience is an issue too. I often stream animes that I actually own (still wrapped in cellophane) just because my computer is a better TV than my tv. (and my net book let's me watch anime in bed... ahhh.. Sybaritic bliss.)
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Posted 11/12/12
Well I only see Anime on legal sites. But I will never watch it with english dub. That's just awful.
I really want to buy Naruto Manga, but don't know about the site is legal or not.
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What do you mean? I'm subscribed to CR.
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