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Truth behind Ichigo's birth (Spoiler)
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Am I the only one who wants Rukia or Inoue or Chad or some other now seemingly useless character to somehow kill Juha Bach and become the main character? That would be interesting to see. Screw Ichigo. I lost interest in him sometime during the Arrancar arc. I do find it interesting that his mother is actually a Quincy though.
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No you are definitely not the only one. Ichigo was quite obviously a Gary Stu after he became part Hollow. It's okay to have a heroic character be strong, but not uber strong. Uber strong defeats any development points and lessons characters need to have. The only lesson Ichigo knows is to get really angry. Nothing intelligent about that.
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As ridiculous as the title might sound, it's still a spoiler
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Haha really, i just read the last chapter of the manga today and then i see the title to this thread a few hours later.

Personally I actually liked the twist, and if we're lucky we might just get to find out more about Ichigos parents story. I have always been curious about what the deal is with Ichigos dad, and what his connection is to Urahara and Ishidas dad, it feels like there is an interesting story behind that.
What actually disturbs me a bit is that Masaki(Ichigos mother) got killed by Grand Fisher(who if I don't remember wrong was actually a relatively weak hollow) when she herself was a Quincy. I can take that she might not have been thinking clearly when she sacrificed herself to save Ichigo. But still, I find it very questionable.
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Well, here's a theory that noone's mentioned. It's a well-known fact that Isshin had no powers at the time of Ichigo's mother being killed, and at some point before he helped with the battle against Aizen, he gained them back. I remember him giving something to Kon in Ichigo's body between the Rukia arc and the Arrancar arc, and then he showed up and ripped in half an upgraded Grand Fisher.

Well, what if Ichigo's mother didn't have her powers either? It more than makes up for the difference if she's only an ordinary human. Sure she has advanced fighting skills and inhuman reflexes, as Ichigo showed after losing his powers, but it specifically says she sacrificed herself to save Ichigo.

Something must have happened in Isshin's history in which he lost his powers or gave them up. I've actually thought that Masaki must have had some supernatural capability since long ago, ever since I found out his dad was a soul reaper. It only makes sense if they both had to give them up around the time Ichigo was born. Then, consider that Kisuke and Ryuken have established themselves in Karakura. Kisuke even got himself exiled. From what I can see, there is a gaping plot hole in the last hundred years between Kisuke's pendulum arc and Ichigo's lifetime.

Perhaps Ichigo's mom and dad are related to the two of them, or perhaps they owe them a favor. Consider that Kisuke and Ryuken could be staying in the area to watch over the powerless two of them, especially with their son who is apparently the messiah. Ryuken doesn't like Shinigami, but if his mother is a quincy, that's reason enough. And Isshin and Kisuke are friends.

Think about it
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I enjoy this show, and will continue to follow it... BUT can someone answer this for me
How old is Ichigo? at the most 25 i would think he was out of high school in the last chapter that was animated.
This war that happened between the guy that is over the Quincys whatever his name is said son. How is that possible she would have had to carry him for a long ass time in order for this to be true. This guy hasn't come out of hiding until now and we are supposed to believe he is Ichigo's father? Doesn't work out with the math to me. This just needs to be explained can't keep saying shit and we are supposed to believe it...
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Allonan wrote:

I enjoy this show, and will continue to follow it... BUT can someone answer this for me
How old is Ichigo? at the most 25 i would think he was out of high school in the last chapter that was animated.
This war that happened between the guy that is over the Quincys whatever his name is said son. How is that possible she would have had to carry him for a long ass time in order for this to be true. This guy hasn't come out of hiding until now and we are supposed to believe he is Ichigo's father? Doesn't work out with the math to me. This just needs to be explained can't keep saying shit and we are supposed to believe it...


I don't think son was translated right or meant to be "his" son, because it wasn't like that in every translation. You probably took that wrong. Also, Ichigo is about late 17 / 18 right now. He was 15 when the manga began, there was a gap in time of a month or so I think before Rukia was captured, several months before Aizen returned with his arrancars after the SS arc, and then like a year and a half after the arrancar arc where he was powerless. It puts him at his senior year in high school and about 18 years old.


Edit: Something not everyone points out that has always bothered me is that the majority of the story of Bleach happens in one or two day periods.

Ex1: The entire Soul Society arc that was almost 40 episodes in the anime took place in two days of chronological time, most of it within a few hours, until the three day gap where he trained for Bankai, the last 10 episodes of the arc occuring on the fifth day of him being there.

Ex2: The entire, ENTIRE Las Noches and Deicide arcs took place in one day. From the time they arrived at Las Noches to the time when Ichigo "defeated" Aizen was within a one day period. That includes him fighting that ex-espada douchebag, Grimmjow, Ulquiorra, his two "deaths" during that time period, him returning to psuedo-Karakura, and fighting Aizen. Note that for him a long time passes (I forgot how long) where he trains with his dad to learn Mugetsu from Tensa Zangetsu, but chronologically this is all one day.

Ex3: So far everything from when Ichigo left for Hueco Mundo to help Nel to now in the current arc has been one day. It's been months.


....Bleach... is so damn slow.
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I figured Misaki would be a quincy ages ago, around the time ichigos dad got outed as a shinigami. So it honestly wasn't a huge surprise. My theory for why ichigos mum had to sacrifice herself to save ichigo was along the lines of both her and iisshin had their powers sealed to hide from people.

My guess was the enemies in love scenario. Ichigos dad part of squad zero, his mum a high ranking quincy. They meet in battle something happens and they fall in love. Run away to kurakara town where Ichigos dad would probably know Uruhara is hiding (since everyone knows) and they ask him for help hiding. He provides them with some way to seal their reiatsu for a time period.

That was the theory at least.

Also, the one thing I always hated about bleach is fluctuating power.

SS arc, Ichigo can last 1 on 1 with Byakuya and Kenpachi.
Heuco Mundo arc, Ichigo can barely keep up with grimmjow, and can't even hurt mantis guy. Byuakuya pretty much destroys a different arrancar, and kenpachi destroys mantis guy with ease.

Ichigo goes from captain level on par with some of the best guys, to captain level + hollow + training and is mysteriously much weaker now.

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This is the chance for Ichigo to learn some new techniques. If his mother was a Quincy it's highly unlikely she would have been killed by that hollow quite easily. I have a couple of theories maybe Ichigo's mother sacrificed her Quincy powers so it wouldn't have any negative effects on the birth of her children(maybe Isshin did the same thing) or what is much more feasible that she gave up her spiritual pressure so she could live undetected in the world of the living. If Ichigo develops full fledge Quincy powers it could be quite interesting especially some of the techniques he may create or enhance due to his hollow and soul reaper abilities. For example it would be amazing to see Ichigo use hollowfication while using Quincy techniques. It would so cool to see Ichigo develop some sort of pseudo bankai to use while using his Quincy powers to increase to speed of his arrow based attacks. The addition of these techniques would address the problem everyone has with Ichigo using his bankai so casually. I can't wait to see how this affects the plot, but I LOVE BLEACH.
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Stuff like this is making it so hard for me to take Bleach seriously.
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@wowfood,

I pretty much was going along the same lines there. Shinigami and Quincy hate eachother, so for Isshin and Masaki to have a child would be unheard of. On top of that, it both makes Ichigo the only child who connects the two factions as well as a huge target for those who would want him dead. It only makes sense if they had to go into hiding, even if Kubo makes them seem so obvious to all the characters around them...

(Personally, I think Kubo never, ever thinks Bleach through, and just likes to draw things he thinks are cool and tries to bullshit a story down the art's throat afterwards)

Still, I've read like 500 chapters of Bleach so no way in hell I'm quitting now. I WILL SEE THIS THROUGH.

So yeah. Summary:

1. Ichigo's father is a Shinigami, who for some reason had no powers until some point in the story.
2. Ichigo's mother has some tie to the Quincy. Most so far suspect she is/was one.
3. Ichigo's mother was murdered by a weak hollow, presumably if she was a Quincy, she had no powers at this time.
4. Ichigo is the child of a Shinigami, as well as related to a Quincy in some way, and since Juhabach mentioned his mother, likely her.
5. Ichigo is the Messiah.
6. Zangetsu is either full of shit and tells Ichigo nothing or he never knew Ichigo was part-Quincy.
7. Kisuke Urahara and Ryuken Ishida are strongly tied to the Kurosaki family; most likely Ryuken was bound to Masaki in some way and Kisuke to Isshin, leading to the strange relationship between Isshin and Ryuken after the death of Masaki? That's how I see it at least.


...Ryuken has been a pointless character with like 3 appearances so far, but he has to be in Karakura with everyone for a reason. We'll see. I hope I'm right; I don't see how Kubo can take this any other direction and not make it seem like utter crap.
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coolmccool96 wrote:

@wowfood,

I pretty much was going along the same lines there. Shinigami and Quincy hate eachother, so for Isshin and Masaki to have a child would be unheard of. On top of that, it both makes Ichigo the only child who connects the two factions as well as a huge target for those who would want him dead. It only makes sense if they had to go into hiding, even if Kubo makes them seem so obvious to all the characters around them...

(Personally, I think Kubo never, ever thinks Bleach through, and just likes to draw things he thinks are cool and tries to bullshit a story down the art's throat afterwards)

Still, I've read like 500 chapters of Bleach so no way in hell I'm quitting now. I WILL SEE THIS THROUGH.

So yeah. Summary:

1. Ichigo's father is a Shinigami, who for some reason had no powers until some point in the story.
2. Ichigo's mother has some tie to the Quincy. Most so far suspect she is/was one.
3. Ichigo's mother was murdered by a weak hollow, presumably if she was a Quincy, she had no powers at this time.
4. Ichigo is the child of a Shinigami, as well as related to a Quincy in some way, and since Juhabach mentioned his mother, likely her.
5. Ichigo is the Messiah.
6. Zangetsu is either full of shit and tells Ichigo nothing or he never knew Ichigo was part-Quincy.
7. Kisuke Urahara and Ryuken Ishida are strongly tied to the Kurosaki family; most likely Ryuken was bound to Masaki in some way and Kisuke to Isshin, leading to the strange relationship between Isshin and Ryuken after the death of Masaki? That's how I see it at least.


...Ryuken has been a pointless character with like 3 appearances so far, but he has to be in Karakura with everyone for a reason. We'll see. I hope I'm right; I don't see how Kubo can take this any other direction and not make it seem like utter crap.


I am betting on Masaki being Ryuken's sister, and that is why Ryuken and Isshin don't seem to get along - possibly Ryuken blames Isshin for his sister's death? Would be neat if Ishida and Ichigo are actually cousins too. Just a thought though...and probably nowhere near what twisted reality is waitng from Kubo, haha.
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meh, personally it bothers me that Kubo is making Ichigo part everything that he makes for the series.
Let's see here he's part human, shinigami, hollow, fullbringer and now quincy? May as well make him related to the spirit king as well for when that comes along...
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spirit king is going to be his grandfather
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Yeah. I like the idea of Isshin and Ryuken being brothers-in-law and the uneasy relationship they would have over the death of Masaki. I discussed this idea with my brother earlier and I'm actually really hoping this is the case. One, so that the story makes sense, and two, so that all those IchixIshi pairings out there die when they realize it's not only yaoi, but also incest. >.>"
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