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Khaltazar wrote:

Mitt Romney won the popular vote... retarded electorial college...

One problem with that sentiment: He didn't win the popular vote.

As of 11/7/12 at 1:10 PM ET

Barack Obama (D)
Electoral Votes 303
Popular Votes 60,075,573

Mitt Romney (R)
Electoral Votes 206
Popular Votes 57,394,693

The numbers you saw were before the west coast popular vote totals were counted.

These electoral vote counts are without Florida, where the winner has not been determined.

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I vote in every election but I don't get a prize.
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my candidate won

and not voting? you are uneducated to put it nicely

but I don't get a sticker cuz i early voted with a mail in ballot. i voted for my half black president a month ago

romney was a mormon s he is gonna outlaw: coffee(worlds 2nd most traded commodity), alcohol and medical marijuana( and any hope of hemp manufacturing) is out the door we go back to the terror of the bush era

Also every single one of you fools on your parents insurance are getting raw dogged in the corn hole

so seriously if you are under 25 you had a really easy decision.

unfortunately alot of people believed willard's lies and even funnier he criticized people for calling him on it

anyways you ignorant fools are lucky to have obama as a president.
after all hes done for you specifically.

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and romney seceded the election
lost by 100 electoral votes and there was no scandalls or votersuppression by his party

even if florida went to romney he wouldnt have close.

and guess what else...
kerry won the popular vote
so did Al gore

this is an information war go learn the fucking truth before you start with your bullshit
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Posted 11/7/12

TheAncientOne wrote: My point was that Al Gore did win the popular vote.

And my point was that he would have also won the electoral college, if the electoral college had been decided by a majority of ballots cast in each state. In Florida, it was not, it was decided by the Florida Secretary of State fighting the effort to ensure that a majority of ballots cast would control the Florida electoral votes.

I'm not arguing in favor of the winner-take-all electoral college, I think that the House block should be distributed on a proportional basis in each state.
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Posted 11/7/12

Zensunni wrote:


Khaltazar wrote:

Mitt Romney won the popular vote... retarded electorial college...

One problem with that sentiment: He didn't win the popular vote.

As of 11/7/12 at 1:10 PM ET

Barack Obama (D)
Electoral Votes 303
Popular Votes 60,075,573

Mitt Romney (R)
Electoral Votes 206
Popular Votes 57,394,693

The numbers you saw were before the west coast popular vote totals were counted.

These electoral vote counts are without Florida, where the winner has not been determined.



Yeah, I gave up after Obama's speech. Mitt Romney was winning the popular vote when I said that when they declared Obama the winner. That is why I said it. If they declared Obama the winner after everything was counted by about 3,000,000 votes that would have been fine. My point stands, the electoral college is bad and does not need to be reformed, it needs to be simply removed and just do popular vote.
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Treeblossom wrote:

Mit Romney got my vote! It's sad he didn't win though. Thankfully the Republicans took the house though. ^_^



You should of kept watching. Though they have the house, Democrats have more seats in the senate. So you can look forward to Obamas ideas getting major backing. Also some republicans in the house have changed there views on the voter as a whole after last night. Which in term will change there policies, so they won't get the boot come time for re-elections.
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Posted 11/7/12

Khaltazar wrote:


Zensunni wrote:


Khaltazar wrote:

Mitt Romney won the popular vote... retarded electorial college...

One problem with that sentiment: He didn't win the popular vote.

As of 11/7/12 at 1:10 PM ET

Barack Obama (D)
Electoral Votes 303
Popular Votes 60,075,573

Mitt Romney (R)
Electoral Votes 206
Popular Votes 57,394,693

The numbers you saw were before the west coast popular vote totals were counted.

These electoral vote counts are without Florida, where the winner has not been determined.



Yeah, I gave up after Obama's speech. Mitt Romney was winning the popular vote when I said that when they declared Obama the winner. That is why I said it. If they declared Obama the winner after everything was counted by about 3,000,000 votes that would have been fine. My point stands, the electoral college is bad and does not need to be reformed, it needs to be simply removed and just do popular vote.


Yes except popular vote would fail miserably... Think about how people would sell their votes to the highest bidder. Companies would have an even easier time of buying votes from poor people. Think they are disenfranchised now? Wait until they setup all the homeless people in America with $200 just to cast a ballot. Then "Back to the ghetto you go!" Ebay sales of votes would be rampant. In all this, the lesson is "Better the demon you know than the devil you don't!"
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tatmmrk2 wrote:

my candidate won

and not voting? you are uneducated to put it nicely

but I don't get a sticker cuz i early voted with a mail in ballot. i voted for my half black president a month ago

romney was a mormon s he is gonna outlaw: coffee(worlds 2nd most traded commodity), alcohol and medical marijuana( and any hope of hemp manufacturing) is out the door we go back to the terror of the bush era

Also every single one of you fucktards on your parents insurance are getting raw dogged in the corn hole

so seriously if you are under 25 you had a really easy decision.

unfortunately alot of people believed willard's lies and even funnier he criticized people for calling him on it

anyways you ignorant fools are lucky to have obama as a president.
after all hes done for you specifically.


There are a number of legitimate reasons to dislike Romney, but manufactured fear mongering about how he's going to outlaw alcohol and coffee are not among them.
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uhohimdead wrote:
i have a question oh wise one

why do we have the popular vote if the elector of any electoral college can simply ignore the majority for a candidate of their choice? i can understand if it's a dead lock situation, but this wouldn't fall under it.

While technically the electoral college can vote differently, they would be quite unlikely to do so except under extreme circumstances (i.e., a 3 candidate split where no one candidate achieves enough votes).

In the modern era, the electoral college is typically just a formality. It probably meant more when the President was elected by the legislators of each state instead of directly by the public.
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MisterPercy wrote:


tatmmrk2 wrote:

my candidate won

and not voting? you are uneducated to put it nicely

but I don't get a sticker cuz i early voted with a mail in ballot. i voted for my half black president a month ago

romney was a mormon s he is gonna outlaw: coffee(worlds 2nd most traded commodity), alcohol and medical marijuana( and any hope of hemp manufacturing) is out the door we go back to the terror of the bush era

Also every single one of you fucktards on your parents insurance are getting raw dogged in the corn hole

so seriously if you are under 25 you had a really easy decision.

unfortunately alot of people believed willard's lies and even funnier he criticized people for calling him on it

anyways you ignorant fools are lucky to have obama as a president.
after all hes done for you specifically.


There are a number of legitimate reasons to dislike Romney, but manufactured fear mongering about how he's going to outlaw alcohol and coffee are not among them.


I could not have put it better.
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I voted for Romney. I am extremely disappointed in my country right now.
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PrincessDarthLeeah wrote:

I voted for Romney. I am extremely disappointed in my country right now.


Yes because it was so much better when Bush ran things(into the ground). What dissapoints you about the country trying to rebuild? It must be hell for you, to want to go back to the policies that put us in this position. What?...upset because our economy hasn't alotted enough money for you to keep a CR premium memebership? lol
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Treeblossom wrote:

Mit Romney got my vote! It's sad he didn't win though. Thankfully the Republicans took the house though. ^_^



You should of kept watching. Though they have the house, Democrats have more seats in the senate. So you can look forward to Obamas ideas getting major backing. Also some republicans in the house have changed there views on the voter as a whole after last night. Which in term will change there policies, so they won't get the boot come time for re-elections.


The Democratic gains in the Senate mean nothing, or maybe less than that. Without a 60 vote majority, the Senate is a useless lump of fossilized dung. Since the Republicans have the majority in the house, we can basically be assured that Congress will continue to do what it has done the past two years: Nothing. Sure, the house will pass reactionary and insane measures designed to restrict the rights of certain Americans who have lifestyles that the reactionary idiots in the charge cannot abide, the Senate will chose to do nothing with them, they will die. The Senate will consider ideas that may or may not benefit the people of the United States, but if it is something that, if passed, would strengthen the ability of Obama's successor as Democratic Nominee in the next Presidential election, the minority party will say, "Nope! Bring that up and we'll filibuster it into oblivion!" (Anything that might strengthen the ability of Obama's successor as Democratic Nominee can be read as: Anything that would improve the economy, add jobs, help more Americans than not, and generally make the US a better and more prosperous place.) Of course, even if the Senate did, by some quirk of nature, manage to pass a bill that had the potential to actually do some good for the country as a whole, the House would still have to vote on it for it to be sent to the President's desk, and they would probably shove it into some committee and smother it in red tape, assuming they didn't kill it outright. (They may smother it so they could trot it out the next time a Republican is President and slip it to the White House, since it was already passed by the Senate. Though there may be some sort of statute of limitations on the life of a bill that doesn't let it survive from one Congress to the next without a new vote... I don't know...)


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Zensunni wrote:


cat7222902 wrote:


Treeblossom wrote:

Mit Romney got my vote! It's sad he didn't win though. Thankfully the Republicans took the house though. ^_^



You should of kept watching. Though they have the house, Democrats have more seats in the senate. So you can look forward to Obamas ideas getting major backing. Also some republicans in the house have changed there views on the voter as a whole after last night. Which in term will change there policies, so they won't get the boot come time for re-elections.


The Democratic gains in the Senate mean nothing, or maybe less than that. Without a 60 vote majority, the Senate is a useless lump of fossilized dung. Since the Republicans have the majority in the house, we can basically be assured that Congress will continue to do what it has done the past two years: Nothing. Sure, the house will pass reactionary and insane measures designed to restrict the rights of certain Americans who have lifestyles that the reactionary idiots in the charge cannot abide, the Senate will chose to do nothing with them, they will die. The Senate will consider ideas that may or may not benefit the people of the United States, but if it is something that, if passed, would strengthen the ability of Obama's successor as Democratic Nominee in the next Presidential election, the minority party will say, "Nope! Bring that up and we'll filibuster it into oblivion!" (Anything that might strengthen the ability of Obama's successor as Democratic Nominee can be read as: Anything that would improve the economy, add jobs, help more Americans than not, and generally make the US a better and more prosperous place.) Of course, even if the Senate did, by some quirk of nature, manage to pass a bill that had the potential to actually do some good for the country as a whole, the House would still have to vote on it for it to be sent to the President's desk, and they would probably shove it into some committee and smother it in red tape, assuming they didn't kill it outright. (They may smother it so they could trot it out the next time a Republican is President and slip it to the White House, since it was already passed by the Senate. Though there may be some sort of statute of limitations on the life of a bill that doesn't let it survive from one Congress to the next without a new vote... I don't know...)




I agree with what you're saying. My point was simply this: once re-elections come back up the republican party will either change their policies or be crushed. The world is changing and the young as well as the minority are taking over and will eventually be the majority. Remember when Bush was in office and people were hoping the older generation would "die off"? Well that's what's happening. Believe me the house will change soon enough and the young democratic generation will take over.
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uhohimdead wrote: why do we have the popular vote if the elector of any electoral college can simply ignore the majority for a candidate of their choice? i can understand if it's a dead lock situation, but this wouldn't fall under it.

Whether or not the elector can ignore the person they were elected to support is based on state law ~ some states have their electors bound to vote for the candidate they were elected in support of on the first electoral college ballot.

Which is another example of the mess caused by letting each state decided how to pick electors. There is no rule that it has to be winner take all, and indeed Maine and Nebraska vote by congressional district and only two go to the statewide winner.

As far as why we have "the popular vote", is because people are interested in it. Its just the news media adding up the individual state results.
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