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That 14 year-old girl who wanted to ban same-sex marriage and abortion based on her personal moral beliefs. It's an opinion ABOUT imposing (or rather, voting for a candidate who WOULD impose), AND she had the audacity to say she didn't want controversy. It's just amusing.

It may just be semantics to you but when I say "desire to impose them," in the context of the conversation it was meant to imply "your expression of disappointment that our president does not share your moralistic reality that would lead to policy-making that would *impose* your beliefs on others." You're probably intelligent, judging by your spelling and grammar alone, so you should've been able to extrapolate that.

It wasn't a laboratory-conditions statement.
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PhyongHwa wrote:


SakiAiza wrote:

As a foreigner, all I say is... Thank you USA for electing the least of two evils.


Really? I didn't notice the difference.



I do. Because I'll be moving to Texas soon.
Posted 11/8/12

noct wrote:


AZFox wrote:


zarkoviss wrote:


meipurushiroppu wrote:


hush184 wrote:

I voted for the Obama team, so "YAY!". Personally his views are similar if not the same as mine at the moment. Plus he hasn't pissed me off yet with anything he has done.


so basically ur ok with abortion?


so basically ur ok with telling people what they can and can't do with their bodies, especially concerning it can easily change the fabric of their life forever?

If so, you're not the kind of person I like talking to.

You have beliefs? Fine, keep to them, do whatever you want, just don't try to force them on people you don't even know.

This isn't the middle east.



Why shouldn't we? There's a thing called STUPIDITY. You don't go shack up with someone and do it knowing the risks. There's a thing called protection. Don't want a baby? Try using the precautions put there for you. That or don't do it at all. Problem solved.

No one reaps what they sow anymore, that's why this world is so friggin messed up. You can burglarize a home, get shot, sue the home owner, and even win. No one is held accountable or bears the responsibility anymore, it's just shoved off onto someone else.

As far as abortions go, that should be the sole right to rape victims, they DIDN'T ask for that, nor (in a lot if not most cases) could they prevent it. More than half the people getting abortions are teen queens and, to be blunt, whores who are just too lazy to use protection and take responsibility for stupidity.




A few questions, simply interested in understanding your viewpoint.

You suggest that the majority of abortions involve stupid, irresponsible, teen queen whores (your words).
You certainly don't seem to have a high opinion of these people.

So, do you really want to increase the proportion of that demographic in the country?
Have them not only produce children sharing any genes that may predispose them to the traits given above, but also raise these children, with the same wisdom that led them to this scenario in the first place?

How do you think most of those children will end up? And should the children have being raised by a "stupid, irresponsible, teen queen whore" inflicted upon them (most likely with no help from the father)?

If not, then who is going to take responsibility? I don't think you can say the mother's family is a great choice, since they raised a "stupid, irresponsible teen queen whore".

It's easy to point the finger and say "be responsible", but does condemning children to be raised this way make the country a better place to live? If so, how?

From a different angle, how does somebody getting an abortion hurt you? If it does not, how is it fair for you to deny them the right? Doesn't it come down to morals, and if so, under what authority is it that your morals are right? If you can't prove your choice is correct, is it right to make the choice for somebody else?

Personally, if we're going to outlaw anything, I think it should be sub-woofers. I'm tired of hearing/feeling other people's so-called music from hundreds of feet away. It has a direct impact on my quality of life. Abortion? Not so much.

Also, I'm sure there are a few people reading this that were/are a teenage mother and rose to the challenges this presented to them, raised their child well and have been a productive member of society. I can only imagine how difficult that would be; they have my respect. I certainly would not call them "stupid, irresponsible teen queen whores". Some of them may say they are glad they did not abort the child, that they love them, and I think that is great - abortion should be a choice, nobody is saying you have to do it. I merely see no logical reason to deny the right to do so. Emotional reasons, perhaps, but if we allow our emotions to dictate the rights of others, what kind of world do we create?


The point comes down to this, it isn't morals and if I think it's right or wrong, If it is a mistake of stupidity, I can't agree with the abortion. Bottom line. Don't do it in the first place.

Yeah, I guess that's what it comes down to, really. Stupidity. But let me take a step back and lighten my view just a little. Yes, we all make mistakes, we're are prone to and will eventually do something stupid. I will accept an abortion if that person learns from it. But for anyone who goes more than once, yeah..

Also, I'm not talking about those who decided to raise the child, that's a commendable thing to do. I will give my respect to such individuals who tackled the daunting task. But that's a mistake that is rectified.

Mm, I feel I've said enough here. I will only add that morals aren't always the forefront of everyone's decision. In my case regarding this matter, it's not because I turn a blind eye to the operation. My concern starts well before that.

Anyway, I'm tired and all this text is starting to look like one solid black block.




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AZFox wrote:


noct wrote:


AZFox wrote:


zarkoviss wrote:


meipurushiroppu wrote:


hush184 wrote:

I voted for the Obama team, so "YAY!". Personally his views are similar if not the same as mine at the moment. Plus he hasn't pissed me off yet with anything he has done.


so basically ur ok with abortion?


so basically ur ok with telling people what they can and can't do with their bodies, especially concerning it can easily change the fabric of their life forever?

If so, you're not the kind of person I like talking to.

You have beliefs? Fine, keep to them, do whatever you want, just don't try to force them on people you don't even know.

This isn't the middle east.



Why shouldn't we? There's a thing called STUPIDITY. You don't go shack up with someone and do it knowing the risks. There's a thing called protection. Don't want a baby? Try using the precautions put there for you. That or don't do it at all. Problem solved.

No one reaps what they sow anymore, that's why this world is so friggin messed up. You can burglarize a home, get shot, sue the home owner, and even win. No one is held accountable or bears the responsibility anymore, it's just shoved off onto someone else.

As far as abortions go, that should be the sole right to rape victims, they DIDN'T ask for that, nor (in a lot if not most cases) could they prevent it. More than half the people getting abortions are teen queens and, to be blunt, whores who are just too lazy to use protection and take responsibility for stupidity.




A few questions, simply interested in understanding your viewpoint.

You suggest that the majority of abortions involve stupid, irresponsible, teen queen whores (your words).
You certainly don't seem to have a high opinion of these people.

So, do you really want to increase the proportion of that demographic in the country?
Have them not only produce children sharing any genes that may predispose them to the traits given above, but also raise these children, with the same wisdom that led them to this scenario in the first place?

How do you think most of those children will end up? And should the children have being raised by a "stupid, irresponsible, teen queen whore" inflicted upon them (most likely with no help from the father)?

If not, then who is going to take responsibility? I don't think you can say the mother's family is a great choice, since they raised a "stupid, irresponsible teen queen whore".

It's easy to point the finger and say "be responsible", but does condemning children to be raised this way make the country a better place to live? If so, how?

From a different angle, how does somebody getting an abortion hurt you? If it does not, how is it fair for you to deny them the right? Doesn't it come down to morals, and if so, under what authority is it that your morals are right? If you can't prove your choice is correct, is it right to make the choice for somebody else?

Personally, if we're going to outlaw anything, I think it should be sub-woofers. I'm tired of hearing/feeling other people's so-called music from hundreds of feet away. It has a direct impact on my quality of life. Abortion? Not so much.

Also, I'm sure there are a few people reading this that were/are a teenage mother and rose to the challenges this presented to them, raised their child well and have been a productive member of society. I can only imagine how difficult that would be; they have my respect. I certainly would not call them "stupid, irresponsible teen queen whores". Some of them may say they are glad they did not abort the child, that they love them, and I think that is great - abortion should be a choice, nobody is saying you have to do it. I merely see no logical reason to deny the right to do so. Emotional reasons, perhaps, but if we allow our emotions to dictate the rights of others, what kind of world do we create?


The point comes down to this, it isn't morals and if I think it's right or wrong, If it is a mistake of stupidity, I can't agree with the abortion. Bottom line. Don't do it in the first place.

Yeah, I guess that's what it comes down to, really. Stupidity. But let me take a step back and lighten my view just a little. Yes, we all make mistakes, we're are prone to and will eventually do something stupid. I will accept an abortion if that person learns from it. But for anyone who goes more than once, yeah..

Also, I'm not talking about those who decided to raise the child, that's a commendable thing to do. I will give my respect to such individuals who tackled the daunting task. But that's a mistake that is rectified.

Mm, I feel I've said enough here. I will only add that morals aren't always the forefront of everyone's decision. In my case regarding this matter, it's not because I turn a blind eye to the operation. My concern starts well before that.

Anyway, I'm tired and all this text is starting to look like one solid black block.







Thank you for reading all that and replying. Even though you didn't specifically answer the individual questions (to be honest, who would want to, they aren't easy questions), I think I understand your view, that people should take responsibility for their mistakes, even if it has a negative result on their lives or the society they live in.

If we accept learning from a mistake and not repeating it as one interpretation of taking responsibility, I don't really disagree with you; it's human to err, but one should learn from something so serious the first time. The other means of taking responsibility, it seems we both respect. As you've also clarified in other posts that you don't have an issue with abortion where rape or medical issues are involved, I don't think I disagree overly much with your view As for which policy would make the world a better place, well, who can know?
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rabbitvang wrote:

Even if Romney was vote president, nothing was going to change. All the crap happen in Congress. In a split Congress with both side not budging from where they stand; nothing is going to happen. Want thing to change? Go pester you representative and force him to make the choice you desire.
You can't predict the future.



It not a prediction it a fact. The President do better when his party control Congress.

Dem = Rep: Stalemate, Depend how good the President is at negotiating.
Dem > Rep: Democratic Party, It a + if the President is also Dem., otherwise a -.
Dem < Rep: Republican Party, It a + if the President is also Rep., otherwise a -.
Posted 11/8/12

rabbitvang wrote:


x-CJ- wrote:


rabbitvang wrote:

Even if Romney was vote president, nothing was going to change. All the crap happen in Congress. In a split Congress with both side not budging from where they stand; nothing is going to happen. Want thing to change? Go pester you representative and force him to make the choice you desire.
You can't predict the future.



It not a prediction it a fact. The President do better when his party control Congress.

Dem = Rep: Stalemate, Depend how good the President is at negotiating.
Dem > Rep: Democratic Party, It a + if the President is also Dem., otherwise a -.
Dem < Rep: Republican Party, It a + if the President is also Rep., otherwise a -.


Now I see why my thread has been moved to ED. It's almost as if you have demonstrated programming language.

I must agree that Congress has the real power. The President isn't even allowed in the congress building, for one thing.

Then I think of the Congressional Medal of Honor...

So let all of us Americans become congressmen.... and congresswomen.
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SakiAiza wrote:


PhyongHwa wrote:


SakiAiza wrote:

As a foreigner, all I say is... Thank you USA for electing the least of two evils.


Really? I didn't notice the difference.



I do. Because I'll be moving to Texas soon.


Then you'll be moving to the most anti-Obama state ever, formally Bush country.


http://www.texastribune.org/library/about/texas-versus-federal-government-lawsuits-interactive/#womens-health-program
Posted 11/9/12

noct wrote:
Thank you for reading all that and replying. Even though you didn't specifically answer the individual questions (to be honest, who would want to, they aren't easy questions), I think I understand your view, that people should take responsibility for their mistakes, even if it has a negative result on their lives or the society they live in.

If we accept learning from a mistake and not repeating it as one interpretation of taking responsibility, I don't really disagree with you; it's human to err, but one should learn from something so serious the first time. The other means of taking responsibility, it seems we both respect. As you've also clarified in other posts that you don't have an issue with abortion where rape or medical issues are involved, I don't think I disagree overly much with your view As for which policy would make the world a better place, well, who can know?


Though I could have taken the time to answer the questions, they wouldn't have explain well the real point of my view, though your wording is much better and clearer still. In most cases, your wrong action will most likely result in a negative outcome, thus you will pay for what you did. Granted you pay for an abortion, but the fact is that's not really a negative result, money can be a trivial thing for some people, and others are willing to put what they have to get rid of something they don't want. But if one learning experience makes you a better person, then one can accept it, even if they don't agree with it. And I think that's a good way to look at things.


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Do you know why gay marriage should be legal?
Because it's none of your business.
Do you know why abortion should be legal?
Because it's none of your business.
These issues shouldn't even be subject to vote.
Because your opinion shouldn't matter on it to begin with.
Freedom is supposed to be for all.
Not just whether you like it or not.
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The zenith of stupidity on this thread are those that actually think you can even begin to fathom another person's situation and pass judgement on another person's life and body.

Keep forcing your beliefs upon everyone else though--really worked out in this election for you, didn't it?

Additionally, everyone who has a rationalization of how they subjectively judge whether someone's abortion is worthwhile--the mere fact that you people even think that women are just running into abortion clinics and having their uteri VACUUMED BECAUSE IT'S FUN AND EASY shows you have exactly ZERO concept of the kind of thought that goes into deciding to have an abortion.

Oh yes, you know SO well what it's like to be a woman, right? So please, enlighten me, MEN, how it feels to have your uterus punching you from the inside out while bleeding profusely for a week, every single month, for 40 years of your life? Oh, you have NO FUCKING FRAME OF REFERENCE FOR WHICH TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER?! HOW ABOUT THAT!

But yet you think you have enough frame of reference to decide what I do when my vagina suddenly stops bleeding due to unwanted pregnancy?

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA! Funny joke, huh?

It was SO FUNNY that it drove your very own precious Republican women straight into the arms of the first waiting black man who said "Baby, your vagina is YOURS!" Now THAT'S something to laugh about! ^_^

Keep up the good work you close-minded, judgmental, holier-than-thou types! Maybe you can secure us an advance win in 2016! Ooh, now here's a frightening thought for you--what if we elect a WOMAN to be President?! Heavens to fucking murgatroyd! Oh no, one of us abortion-loving whores in the White House?! Whatever will you do?! Personally I hope you all leave the country by then and GOD HELP YOU if I ever invent a time machine because I would go back and time-abort all of you given the opportunity.
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hightide503 wrote:


korean1993 wrote:


hightide503 wrote:


korean1993 wrote:


hightide503 wrote:


korean1993 wrote:

my guess is tat taxes are gunna skyrocket, gases are gunna skyrocket, debt is guna keep going up, unemployment will go up and also gun laws are gunna be stricter or worse. The good thing is tat i might be wrong and crunchyroll is not gunna disappear. unless they pull a 2nd S.O.P.A on us.


Obama hasn't done a thing about Gun regulation and has said repeatedly he will not. gah... Sorry I replayed to a typo filled post like this.

But, seriously, as someone who actually like economics, you know, the scientific study of the economy, neither side is much different, and neither side proposed real change because the sheeple public couldn't handle it.


somethin wrong about my typos? didnt now it was supposed to be MLA format sorry. lol.
How many politician actually keep their promises? and yea sorry i guess i should of wrote something like "it doesnt matter who won but my guess...."


haha, the MLA joke made me forgive you (I think I have a writing format handbook around here somewhere)... Honestly, Obama kept his gun promise for 4 years so far, so I'm not worried. Don't get me wrong, I love my shotgun and I have gone hunting, but when a democrat is elected president I feel it is just an excuse for gun makers to gouge customers.


hey i got one to its called " A Writer's Reference." honeslty i hope he doesnt cuz i love guns and im not old enough to get any pistols. Only rifles and the like

Mines called "A Pocket Style Manual"... I guess we just can't be friends

Personally, I'm more worried about pocket knife laws, but I think that is more of a state thing... Though one bill that almost got past was vaguely worded to the point that assisted knives and 1 hand opening knives could have been prevented from being imported if the government so felt. I really didn't pay much attention, but some of the EDCers were worried it.

Edit: The NRA does such a good job of freaking out over every gun law that even most democrats don't care to go there now.


oh shit i didnt know about the pocket knife law.......fuck i edc knifes all the time and i love knifes
oh and UN gun law is back and guess who pushed for it lol
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blackguitar wrote:

He has taken it, and I feel far less bothered than I thought I would, given how Romney was inconsistent and foolish throughout his entire campaign.

No matter who is president of the United States, I won't give up on living joyfully. Neither should any other American or person of the world.

Bless you all.



Te Deum Laudamus!
Tibi omnes Angeli;
tibi caeli et universae Potestates;
Tibi Cherubim et Seraphim
incessabili voce proclamant:
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus!

Behold, the cretin is re-elected! He has triumphed over the other cretin, and the American People can now look forward to a Saturnian Age of Continued Unemployment, Austerity, War, Poverty-- Sanctus! Sanctus! Sanctus!
Posted 11/9/12

longfenglim wrote:


blackguitar wrote:

He has taken it, and I feel far less bothered than I thought I would, given how Romney was inconsistent and foolish throughout his entire campaign.

No matter who is president of the United States, I won't give up on living joyfully. Neither should any other American or person of the world.

Bless you all.



Te Deum Laudamus!
Tibi omnes Angeli;
tibi caeli et universae Potestates;
Tibi Cherubim et Seraphim
incessabili voce proclamant:
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus!

Behold, the cretin is re-elected! He has triumphed over the other cretin, and the American People can now look forward to a Saturnian Age of Continued Unemployment, Austerity, War, Poverty-- Sanctus! Sanctus! Sanctus!


Where some find strength in poverty with frugality, we Americans find sickness in longing for the pleasantries we once had...

Third world nation. Worse still. The breeding ground for a bacteria the Earth will be glad to finally rid itself of.... or will we see a humbling. A truth found. A reconciliation. A different pet project of political powerhouses realizing their spoilage was folly.

Well, somewhat as George Carlin put it, so long as I have some french fries.
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Abortion will never be illegal in a democratic country because you can't force someone to carry a baby to term if they've been raped by someone especially by her family member.

And if you think rape cases are low according to "official reports" it's because most women don't report these things... it's embarrassing.


Tell that to Ireland. I think we're the only one though. And the anti-abortion groups like Youth defence get nearly all their funding from crazy yanks.

Anyway, I don't really care who would have one. But Obama's win will probably affect my life the least so yeah, go him.
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Ad hominem argument. Seriously.

Look Ill gladly have a civil debate if you would like. I dont mind. Im a fellow anime fan like everybody else here.

If you make 100k and I make 50k. The difference between us is 50k correct? Thats the gap.

If we make the same amount of money each and every year, the gap would naturally increase would it not?

The 2nd year you would have 200k and I would have 100k. Now the gap is 100k. You make the same amount next year and you have 300k. Now I have 150k. The gap between us is 150k correct?

So why in the world do you think a gap between incomes is somehow inherently bad in any sense?


The gap my dear kid is not the problem... the problem is that Ayn Rand stupid supporters think it would solve magically just because its natural. Logical or whatever crap you think you know about Ayn Rand.

The one thing that really stopped in my tracks was that you really think Faux News is an acceptable source of information... I mean if you think MSNBC is a lame "left" propaganda cable news company... at least you should admit Faux news is the same just in the side of the Republican party. But i digress.

If we were going to talk about the "natural" difference (i'm guessing you are using some kind of stupid social darwinism here) you should know that "naturally" every social being (animal, human etc) works for the best of the community... that would be socialism so in order to not make false equivalencies stop there... Obama is not socialist... and never would be... he is all for the "american dream" a dream i must say is totally out of the possibility of the majority of the population. "If you believe in the american dream, you can only believe in it if you stay asleep" Again I digress...

Sorry is hard to keep up with you since you mix all this half cooked Ayn Rand - pseudo science - social darwinism and I would say poor understanding of the political and economical issues that is really hard to concentrate.

Not that my grammar is perfect either...

Now getting to the reality check...

2 Economic Nobel winners... agree with the stimulus packages Obama passed, they even went far enough saying it was even less of what it was needed. ( I don't know you but i think i'm never going to get a nobel price)

US is in the 14 place in science education, but first in army and military spending it has the combined strength of the 22 countries with the bulk of the military force of the planet, 21 of them are allies of the US. only 1 is a possible threat. still you spend more in military than the other 22 nations combined... (maybe that is where your trillion dollar debt is in?)n

The wealthiest persons in the US had in the 60's-70's the highest tax income you would ever believe up to 90% of the income of those guys... still in those years even with the hiccup of the gas crisis in the middle east the rich people were living like... well rich people. And the American dream was a reality. Everyone had the possibility of a well paid job. (If you were not black of brown of irish :P) Now days with the lowest income taxes ever for rich people, US has the worst record of income gap in the first world countries.

The reason is this: RICH PEOPLE don't spend the money they save with the tax cuts. They save it of to send it to other counties to invest (hey if you can afford it go for it) They will never invest it in the US simply put because there are other places where you can earn more money. Even if you disappear the taxes in the country that wont change, simply there are more poor countries than 1st world countries to invest in.

If you help POOR PEOPLE with free healthcare with stimulus with free education.. they tend to spend their money in the same country and community they live. Mostly of the time poor ppl don't tend to save but to invest in houses business etc. and that money spent helps the economy.

You think that spending less is the way to go... then stop spending!!! Stop the tax cuts to the oil companies... they are having record profits... and they are still getting stimulus from the goverment. Stop spending so much in the damm Military... (if they get a gundam we can talk :P) Start spending more in your people. In education, roads, healthcare etc. That is the way to go.

Stop giving tax cuts to the wealthiest of the americans... they can afford not to get the diamond boat they wanted, but if you take the benefits from your poor people is a recipe for disaster.

Again Stop semi chewing the words of others... and read Marx... yes even him can be of use here... Stiglitz, Krugman, (I recomend their late papers) hell many others that study this and say... Republican Party is WRONG

BTW Stop watching Faux News
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blackguitar wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


blackguitar wrote:

He has taken it, and I feel far less bothered than I thought I would, given how Romney was inconsistent and foolish throughout his entire campaign.

No matter who is president of the United States, I won't give up on living joyfully. Neither should any other American or person of the world.

Bless you all.



Te Deum Laudamus!
Tibi omnes Angeli;
tibi caeli et universae Potestates;
Tibi Cherubim et Seraphim
incessabili voce proclamant:
Sanctus, Sanctus, Sanctus!

Behold, the cretin is re-elected! He has triumphed over the other cretin, and the American People can now look forward to a Saturnian Age of Continued Unemployment, Austerity, War, Poverty-- Sanctus! Sanctus! Sanctus!


Where some find strength in poverty with frugality, we Americans find sickness in longing for the pleasantries we once had...

Third world nation. Worse still. The breeding ground for a bacteria the Earth will be glad to finally rid itself of.... or will we see a humbling. A truth found. A reconciliation. A different pet project of political powerhouses realizing their spoilage was folly.

Well, somewhat as George Carlin put it, so long as I have some french fries.


Amongst the many Anchorite of the Orients, there is said to be a certain Saint Simeon Stylites was said to have live thirty five years atop a pillar in a desert, in wind, rain, and heat, subsisting only on the milk and bread provided by the villager. Exactly what we must recommend to the American people now! Aestheticism is long dued to a nation of pampered and effete, we are losing our American Virility and Manliness, we are growing effeminate, it is manifest, then, that it is necessary that we share the misery for the third world! Where egality is impossible to achieve by making the standard of living better for the many, to perpetuate the greatest possible happiness, it is evident that the only solution is to make everyone an equal in wretchedness! Where we cannot provide common felicity, we should strive, instead, for common misery.

Shame upon those who wish their situation better! Shame upon those who long for better times! They must be content in poverty! O tempora! O mores! What has the world come to, why perpetual dissatisfaction! Oh, cannot people be content with Νοῦς ὑγιὴς ἐν σώματι ὑγιεῖ!
fortem posce animum mortis terrore carentem,
qui spatium uitae extremum inter munera ponat
naturae, qui ferre queat quoscumque labores,
nesciat irasci, cupiat nihil et potiores
Herculis aerumnas credat saeuosque labores
et uenere et cenis et pluma Sardanapalli.
monstro quod ipse tibi possis dare; semita certe
tranquillae per uirtutem patet unica uitae.

Therefore, this austerity does not go far enough! Get rid of public services, tear down rain and buses, collect all cars and send them to scrapyards or else sell them off, raise taxes! There should be no rest in austerity until every man's stomach is hallowed in with want and let every American child's belly swells with Kwashiorkor! Come, thou Four Equestrians! I embrace thee, thou Cavaliers, with open arms!

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