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Posted 11/9/12

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Syndicaidramon wrote:

Do you have any idea of how easy it is for kids to get a hold of drugs today now that it's still illegal?
All you have to do is know some shady people, or know someone who knows some shady people, and you've practicly got an open doorway to all the drugs you want, as long as you have the cash.
Drug-dealer don't care how old you are. If you have money, you're a customer. Simple as that.

Kids will always find ways to get their hands on drugs, regardless of wheather it's illegal or not.


Yes I do. Do you know how many of those kids are unsuccessful later in life because of dysfunctional cognitive abilities and/or addiction? And constantly has to check into rehab... go on welfare programs?

Why would you want to legalise it and increase the number of kids going to rehab?


The point is, legalizing marijuana will not change that statistic one bit.
So there's no point in having it be illegal.
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Medical Marijuana is what they called it. Only a handful of people would used it for the right reason and the rest will try and make some money on the side. It not like they got a organization that looks out for these people who can grow em, and come check every month or so looking that you are not grow more than you should. Whether it pass or not there are still profit to be made. The only difference is do law enforcement still consider it a threat, because they are the one having to clean after you, after you screw up.
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Posted 11/11/12

Keiek5 wrote:


Big_A wrote:


Keiek5 wrote:


Kageru77 wrote:

If alcohol is legal and regulated, marijuana should be also. Alcohol consumption has caused more deaths exponentially, and should be considered the more dangerous of the two. The men who founded this country this country smoked pot, grew pot, and utilized it as a resource for paper and fabric, why shouldn't adults be aloud to do the same in this day and age.






So you agree on legalizing alcohol was a huge mistake. And now you want to make more?

I know that what you want to do is none of my business, but isn't the people living around you also affected by this? With any drug, you lose your judgement the more you take it. If some dumb-ass decides to go for a drive when he's stoned and hits the neighbours kid with his car, is it still the pot smoking persons business? I'm not saying you would, but if we legalize it, dumb people will fuck shit up for other people than themselves.

Seriously... the only reason to legalize pot would be for the economy of the country or giving the gangs less power.


I don't know if you were talking to me or the guy that wrote that, but -- "So you agree on legalizing alcohol was a huge mistake. And now you want to make more?" I don't believe anyone said that. Also the same could be said about anything! Dumb people will continue to fuck things up regardless. I think you're just trying to sound smart.



It was mostly to the guy above, yes. I try to sound smart? No. I just can't stay quiet sometimes. Not the most unusual problem people tend to have.

"Alcohol consumption has caused more deaths exponentially, and should be considered the more dangerous of the two." <---- Sounds like one big mistake to me, that is ofcourse only my opinion. Unless things that kills people is a good thing... It's just how I interpreted it.
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haha, " Unless things that kills people is a good thing... "

You're saying we should make all the illegal as well then.

Deaths Annually

Vending Machines -13 people
Hot Dogs - 70 children annually "guess we have to get rid of those"
Deer 130 people
Bathtubs 340 people
falling out of bed 450 people (who wants a bed anyways)
texting 6,000 people
obesity 30,000 people (we have to get rid of that evil food.)
There is a point I'm trying to make here
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Posted 11/11/12

Big_A wrote:

Maybe if they tax the shit out of it, USA could actually make their economy a little better


i agree. they should re-legalize it and tax it heavily. the economy gets better, and pot smokers are happy.
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I look at it as a good thing. The next time my own country dares to debate decriminalization in parliament maybe we won't have the American Ambassador weighing in with angry rumblings of 'security risk' and veiled threats of a trade embargo. That would be nice.

We like to run our own country thank you.
Posted 11/11/12

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GayAsianBoy wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:

Do you have any idea of how easy it is for kids to get a hold of drugs today now that it's still illegal?
All you have to do is know some shady people, or know someone who knows some shady people, and you've practicly got an open doorway to all the drugs you want, as long as you have the cash.
Drug-dealer don't care how old you are. If you have money, you're a customer. Simple as that.

Kids will always find ways to get their hands on drugs, regardless of wheather it's illegal or not.


Yes I do. Do you know how many of those kids are unsuccessful later in life because of dysfunctional cognitive abilities and/or addiction? And constantly has to check into rehab... go on welfare programs?

Why would you want to legalise it and increase the number of kids going to rehab?


So if someone wants an escape it would be better for them to drink, snort coke, or shoot heroin or meth than smoke marijuana, is that your point?


Er... this is probably a cliched answer that many professionals have said before.

But, marijuana will not solve people's problems.
It makes you high for a short period of time and then you back down lower than before.

It can lead to addiction because they cannot live without that state of painlessness... which could result to other problems such as bankruptcy and/or prostitution.





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ah yes, the oh-so-common 'i now suck dick for weed' life route


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I'm not going to read all these post because I'm sure some are just idiots that want to talk without knowing anything. Weed can help people when used in moderation. Just like a lot of things out there that are used today to treat people. If abused there are several meds out there that can either hurt or kill you. I'm not sure about making it just like cigs it should be treated just like beer, etc. you can have dry counties no smoking in public, no smoking while driving or you get an under the influence ticket if you keep doing it you get your license taken away. It's only far that we all come to a compromise if we really won't the freedom to smoke weed then abide my the laws they set, but i do agree that it needs to be legalized and just tax the shit out of it.
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Doesn't weed cause people to be so relaxed they don't care about what's going on around them while under the effects of it? People do it anyways regardless of it being legal or not. Might as well get tax money from it. So long as they don't start putting weed into food for you want to eat more of course.
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Posted 11/11/12

GayAsianBoy wrote:


jlivingstone wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:

Do you have any idea of how easy it is for kids to get a hold of drugs today now that it's still illegal?
All you have to do is know some shady people, or know someone who knows some shady people, and you've practicly got an open doorway to all the drugs you want, as long as you have the cash.
Drug-dealer don't care how old you are. If you have money, you're a customer. Simple as that.

Kids will always find ways to get their hands on drugs, regardless of wheather it's illegal or not.


Yes I do. Do you know how many of those kids are unsuccessful later in life because of dysfunctional cognitive abilities and/or addiction? And constantly has to check into rehab... go on welfare programs?

Why would you want to legalise it and increase the number of kids going to rehab?


So if someone wants an escape it would be better for them to drink, snort coke, or shoot heroin or meth than smoke marijuana, is that your point?


Er... this is probably a cliched answer that many professionals have said before.

But, marijuana will not solve people's problems.
It makes you high for a short period of time and then you back down lower than before.

It can lead to addiction because they cannot live without that state of painlessness... which could result to other problems such as bankruptcy and/or prostitution.






I used to smoke weed every day throughout all for years of high school...... Made perfect grades on classwork and tests, I never got in trouble and I was high as a kite while I was at school ect. ect. so on and so forth. I don't smoke it anymore though, I just one day decided to quit. "Addiction" to weed is like "addiction" to your smartphone non-existent you take it away nothing bad happens and you move on with your life. It should be legalized and heavily taxed and the tax dollars should be put to good use just like with the way cigarettes are taxed just to list some examples a few of these thing probably aren't needed but I'm willing to pay that tax to smoke a cig

Dump trucks, golf carts and a course irrigation system, and a new county jail in New York
Broadband-cable networks in Virginia
Psychiatric care for prisoners in New Jersey
Boot camps for juvenile delinquents, alternative schools, and metal detectors and surveillance cameras for schools in Alabama
Upgrading public television stations with DVD technology in Nevada
Harbor renovation and museum expansion in Alaska
Water and sewer improvements in South Carolina
Pasture and weather monitoring for a thoroughbred association in Kentucky College scholarships in Michigan
New schools in Alaska and Ohio
City parks and the purchase of undeveloped land in California
A senior citizen prescription-drug program and property-tax rebates in Illinois
Medicaid dental services in Maine
Water Resources Trust Fund and flood-control projects in North Dakota
Operating expenses for the Carolina Horse Park, truck-driver training, pine-straw farming research and equipment upgrades at a knitting plant in North Carolina
A People's Trust Fund, which will generate interest income that can be spent at the legislature's discretion, in South Dakota
Help in balancing the budget, which used four years of MSA money, in Tennessee
Rural economic development in Georgia
Tax rebates in several states
Offsetting a revenue shortfall in Wisconsin by selling municipal bonds backed by future MSA payments

Taxes from the selling of weed would bring in an enormous amount of revenue, imagine what all that money could be put to use for the betterment of the state of our nation.
Posted 11/11/12 , edited 11/11/12

shakiv wrote:

I used to smoke weed every day throughout all for years of high school...... Made perfect grades on classwork and tests, I never got in trouble and I was high as a kite while I was at school ect. ect. so on and so forth. I don't smoke it anymore though, I just one day decided to quit. "Addiction" to weed is like "addiction" to your smartphone non-existent you take it away nothing bad happens and you move on with your life. It should be legalized and heavily taxed and the tax dollars should be put to good use just like with the way cigarettes are taxed just to list some examples a few of these thing probably aren't needed but I'm willing to pay that tax to smoke a cig
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Taxes from the selling of weed would bring in an enormous amount of revenue, imagine what all that money could be put to use for the betterment of the state of our nation.



I'm going to get sarcastic here.

Because tax revenue from cigarettes aren't used to promote anti-smoking campaigns costing million of dollars each year... or used for lung cancer patients from chronic smoking...

And... smoking support groups and quitline workers... and rehab centres...

You have to look at the bigger picture.


Yes.. you weren't affected by marijuana, just like some people can live up to 100 while smoking 1 pack of cigs a day. But it doesn't change the fact that there will be people who will become affected by these substance... and thus... the money from those tax revenue will be used to HELP them.


In addition, if the government needs money, they don't need to legalise marijuana as an excuse to get money... they can just come up with something stupid, for example in Australia they have this thing called "The Carbon Tax".

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GayAsianBoy wrote:


shakiv wrote:

I used to smoke weed every day throughout all for years of high school...... Made perfect grades on classwork and tests, I never got in trouble and I was high as a kite while I was at school ect. ect. so on and so forth. I don't smoke it anymore though, I just one day decided to quit. "Addiction" to weed is like "addiction" to your smartphone non-existent you take it away nothing bad happens and you move on with your life. It should be legalized and heavily taxed and the tax dollars should be put to good use just like with the way cigarettes are taxed just to list some examples a few of these thing probably aren't needed but I'm willing to pay that tax to smoke a cig
...
...

Taxes from the selling of weed would bring in an enormous amount of revenue, imagine what all that money could be put to use for the betterment of the state of our nation.



I'm going to get sarcastic here.

Because tax revenue from cigarettes aren't used to promote anti-smoking campaigns costing million of dollars each year... or used for lung cancer patients from chronic smoking...

And... smoking support groups and quitline workers... and rehab centres...

You have to look at the bigger picture.


Yes.. you weren't affected by marijuana, just like some people can live up to 100 while smoking 1 pack of cigs a day. But it doesn't change the fact that there will be people who will become affected by these substance... and thus... the money from those tax revenue will be used to HELP them.


In addition, if the government needs money, they don't need to legalise marijuana as an excuse to get money... they can just come up with something stupid, for example in Australia they have this thing called "The Carbon Tax".


Sure tax revenue is used for those things as well but it's used in other areas such as the ones I listed , and growing marijuana would create jobs just as would the production of packaging for it so on and so forth. Jobs and tax revenue to be used on things that help the nation both sound like good things to me, now I don't know about you though? Maybe that's just my skewed view on things? Also don't get me started on bullshit things like the carbon taxes please?
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Posted 11/11/12
It should be legalized. Most information about marijuana from mainstream science and psychiatry are lies. It should be up to me to exercise free will and to choose what to put into my own body as long I as do not cause harm to others with my own actions.
Posted 11/11/12

shakiv wrote:

Sure tax revenue is used for those things as well but it's used in other areas such as the ones I listed , and growing marijuana would create jobs just as would the production of packaging for it so on and so forth. Jobs and tax revenue to be used on things that help the nation both sound like good things to me, now I don't know about you though? Maybe that's just my skewed view on things? Also don't get me started on bullshit things like the carbon taxes please?


Are you entirely sure that legalising weed will create jobs in the USA... and not more exploitation of labour and child labour elsewhere in the world like Puerto Rico or China for example?
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