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Our minds and a virtual world
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Posted 11/15/12 , edited 11/15/12
if you're into philosophy you have proberbly heard of the "brain in the vat" today i was pondering at something that i'd really like to get your thoughts and creative views on.

What if we were already phyiscally speaking "dead" and our consciousness were put into a computer system, everything we feel, our bodies, the world around us is all not real but what exists and what is, is our minds and our conscious being.

What were to happen if we found a way to "leave" the virtual world?
What happens if we die here?
and finally like electricity can counsciousness and thought frequencies be destroyed? can they really just ciest to exist? what print do they leave behind?

also ironically this song was playing whilst i was thinking of all this i reccomend you listen ^^: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiUAq4aVTjY
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Posted 11/15/12
This makes me think of the Matrix plot. Song is lovely though.
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Posted 11/15/12

mystic17 wrote:

This makes me think of the Matrix plot. Song is lovely though.


in the matrix they are alive.. i am saying what if we are dead? our hearts stopped.. no blood flowwing through our veins.. that our consciousness is caught and put into a virtual world
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Posted 11/15/12
That I don't have an answer for. It is something to think about though.
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So it's like Ghost in the Shell? Ummm getting hacked would have more dire consequences.
Posted 11/15/12
If we are in what you say "virtual world", we wouldn't even notice that it is "virtual" because that becomes our "reality". It's like thinking aliens don't exist but the aliens (if their existence is possible) also think we don't exist cause we have different realities in each world.. Unless we discover them or they discover us..
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Then we would be copies of our conscious rather than our actual selves. But what's the difference?
If you die, you're probably deleted. Whatever the computer is programmed to do with "dead" minds.
Have you every managed to get a computer game character to come out of a game?
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This wouldn't be too different from the way we live now. In this computer system, life will be the program. And death will be the recycling bin. I figure dying before deletion would be akin to a program being corrupted. It's still there; unable to be used.
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That is one of the biggest question in science right now, "What is consciousness?"
It's up there with, "How did the universe come to be?"

Scientists don't have the answer to this yet.


But to answer your question; I don't think there is any "footprint" left behind. The brain is responsible for consciousness, senses, and everything. Once the brain is dead, it stops producing electricity and that consciousness is gone forever.

There is however, talks of technology that enables one person's brain pattern to be scanned into a super computer... and that personality will be in that virtual world.
Which is similar to what you're saying.


But I don't think it will be the same person if you know what I mean.
Like they could create a clone of us, but that clone won't be us, it will have its own consciousness. It's the same with this technology... the personality in the super computer will not be us.
There is something unique about everyone's brain and you can't duplicate it... but maybe you can in the future? Who knows. Is it possible to live a second life?
Posted 11/22/12

mau5undead wrote:

if you're into philosophy you have proberbly heard of the "brain in the vat" today i was pondering at something that i'd really like to get your thoughts and creative views on.

What if we were already phyiscally speaking "dead" and our consciousness were put into a computer system, everything we feel, our bodies, the world around us is all not real but what exists and what is, is our minds and our conscious being.

What were to happen if we found a way to "leave" the virtual world?
What happens if we die here?
and finally like electricity can counsciousness and thought frequencies be destroyed? can they really just ciest to exist? what print do they leave behind?

also ironically this song was playing whilst i was thinking of all this i reccomend you listen ^^: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiUAq4aVTjY


Most people are physically dead. What with the death of morality (not that I am thumping it), people seem aimless. Pointless at best.

Our brains resemble a chamber of empty desires and fantasies. This is only escaped by the shade of creativity now soiled into retardation by those lacking real expression, but who's to say what is real? The realists? No, for they mistake painful existence for truth.

Concerning the soul, there seems to be one. An unexplainable essence powering and personifying our fleshy husks. This life seems needless to the spiritual, but logic points to the fact that living well within your means (perhaps increasing your means at the same time) makes more sense than quibbling over whether or not this life is significant, or whether or not the brain is some virtual reality synthesizer.

The brain is a computer. A control interface for our reactions with reality, carried out by the body, or those of others aiding a physically incapable person. What you leave behind is some kind of legacy proving you were here. Sadly, most legacies will never be honored, as the majority of people are unoriginal in their pursuits.
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Posted 11/24/12
Cartesian dualism much, innit?
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Posted 11/25/12
The "Ghost" in the shell scenario is what this is. The computer is the shell and the sub atomic particles which are made out of energy which is made out of conciousness is the Ghost//Soul.

Our bodies are already like this. The human body is just an organic robot being piloted by the Ghost/Soul.
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Thought, such that it is, is said to be the movement of electrical energy through the synapses of the brain. If one were to follow along that logical, a computer functions in the same way. The only real difference is, our mental pathways are self-evolving while computer data pathways are hardwired and can only be changed through external effort. This being the case, it is entirely plausible that one could be uploaded into the ether and exist, as much as one could in such an environment. The issue then is, not so much whether we could do the same things in an organic body once placed in the machine, but how those things would be different.

Perception is little more than interpretation of information. We receive data from our many senses constantly, and it is in our interpretation of this data that we find our perception of the world. Given new and varied methods of data collection (UV detection devices, access to microscopes, temperature sensor, and many others) we could, arguably, perceive the world in far greater detail and clarity than in a limited organic body.

Also, if one is able to inhabit a computer system, it is plausible that any mobile platform capable of supporting the electrical signals that make up your consciousness could become a body or sorts. The creation of 'robot' to house your 'soul' is not unrealistic by any stretch of the imagination. Simply put, if the technology were there to support such a thing I'm certain it would be in no way different for a person, at least on the most basic of levels, whether they have flesh or metal surrounding them.
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Nothing happens, everything happens...if you die and then your brain placed in a jar that is hooked to a VR device..now is it just the brain or the whole nervous system... that would be better, the the brain would receive the elctronic impulses through the nervous system as if you were still alive, this would be an artificial life support system, but then you'd already be dead, so nothing would happen, you're dead already.

Now if your mind were to be plugged into a virtual world after your heart stopped,but before your brain died, that would be interesting' I could see many possibilities, if it were technologically possible, I do not think we are there yet to try it. It would all depend on the realism of the programming of the vr world based around the life of the person who "died" so as have the least possible chance of rejection or self termination, until the body can be revived or replaced...

Is this an idea to gain immortal life?
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Posted 1/7/13 , edited 1/7/13
Personally I've got no interest to know. Truth is open to interpretation -What do we mean when we say we're alive. Is being alive same as living in a perfect placebo or is it something beyond the placebo? It might be both or neither - Depends how you care to determine it . I might live in a placebo and it would seem to be a good one too. I would rather not take a risk to know whether the real reality would be better or worse.

I 'd rather see sweet dreams than live in, maybe assumed, nightmare.
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