lol, had to read up on that, especially since he was a president. The way things were worded for his wife on wiki was hilarious.

wiki excerpt:
"A longtime close friend of Oscar Folsom, Grover Cleveland, at age 27, met his future wife shortly after she was born. He took an avuncular interest in the child, buying her a baby carriage and otherwise doting on her as she grew up. When her father, Oscar Folsom, died in a carriage accident on July 23, 1875, without having written a will, the court appointed Cleveland administrator of his estate. This brought Cleveland into still more contact with Frances, then age 11."

If you can't see the difference between an 24 year old having an relationship with an 12 year old, and an 14 year old having one with an 12 year old, you're way past reasonable discussion. It's an matter of the difference in their psychological and physical maturity. I don't have the same type of relationships now as an 22 year old as I did when I was 12-15 years old. Sex is an intregal part of any healthy relationship at the age of 24, but it's not at the age of 12.

I suppose we should just get rid of the term 'Pedophile' - After all, an adult knows how to put on a condom much better than an teenager.

Your entire defence of this relationship is based on the assumption that this guy is mature and won't sleep with her, are you personally aquainted with these two individuals? If not, you're already judging someone elses relationship. <- Yes, that works in more than one way.

Personally in cases like this I'd rather be judgemental in case I'm right, than "open-minded" in case I'm wrong. The potential damage to this girls life is to big to just naively look away.

This isn't a relationship, this is babysitting!!! Try someone a WHOLE lot closer to your own age, you pervo.

Those of you that think this is ok, I bet if she was your daughter (your thoughts after you have kids, not now) you wouldn't be so approving. She still has a lot of emotional/physical/mental growing up to do. Whether she thinks so or not, she's being taken advantage of, and her parents are failing at their responsibilities.

As a female who was born into a family (of non-american origin) of females (and a dad) and raised around females (my dad was often deployed), had female friends, went to school with females and have tons of female relatives, I can tell you that no female I ever knew would be mature enough to date a guy that old. If I did that, my mom would come after him with a machete....and rightfully so. I often find that it is the males in a foreign society that encourage that sort of thing....if the females do, it is usually for economic/prestige/power reasons. I bet if they had a choice (women) they wouldn't allow/push their daughters to that sort of relationship.

Exactly.

That's not love, that's lust....big difference.

Yeah, but how old were they when they married? My sister and her husband are 6 years apart, but they got married when she was 30.

Your all calling him a pedo, but the girl seems fine with it.

Peadophiles are known for being manipulative.

He's an adult and she's a child who probably hasn't even hit puberty , he should really know better.

If he was just an ordinary guy instead of some celebrity I don't think people would be so quick to defend him. He also doesn't fit into the 'creepy/strange/ugly/old man' profile that most people imagine when they think of one.

That's totally different.

It doesn't matter whatsoever if both parties are of legal age or at least...One of them is in their late teens, and the other decides to wait.

This is a GROWN MAN with a CHILD.

it doesn't matter to me if there's a 12 year difference, in the future she could be 25 & he'd be 37.

But she isn't 25 & neither is he 37 so it really sickens me that he would fall in love with a 12 year old & WAIT for her to grow up & ''be in a relationship'' PFTT, AS IFF~ he's just waitin' for her to be 18 & bang her T_T
it's simply pedo-shit -A-

&the girl pisses me off aswel, yeah she's 12 buhh that doesn't mean she's dumb, she should know better, gahh~ Dx

that's all ._.

hmm, Lust would be if he would try something other then merely having a relationship (which doesnt mean anything sexual is going on, hopefully it isnt anyway), or using her and dumping her shortly after she gets older. Merely her being young doesnt mean she is being manipulated, and if he is really willing to wait until she is order, and thus more mentally mature with the ability to make her own decisions on things legally, then how is is not love?

personally, While I disapprove of such relationships merely because the number of guys who would actually make sure it doesnt going on beyond mere dating is slim at best, I dont see anything wrong with it. Honestly it is alot better then if she was dating someone her own age, BECAUSE he is so much older, he should have the maturity and if he does indeed love her, the mentality to make sure things dont cross the line until she is ready, without any type of manipulation.

If she was dating someone her own age, people wouldnt be talking about it or worried, yet there would be more chance of something happening then, then there is now if she is with him. boys her age are more prone to try something or to coerce her to do something then he would, for two reasons other then that of love 1) because he is order, and with it not being legal, he is already treading on thing ground, so I highly doubt either of them would do something that would put either of them in jeopardy legally, and 2) because they both have careers which depend on the public liking them, I doubt either of them (especially him being order and thus would have less opportunity to get a career back on track if something were to go wrong). since they did know eachother for so long already, it isnt really hard to see why some type of relationship to crop up between them.

overall, its not that uncommon for a girl of that age to be in a relationship, i mean look at other countries. In Southern Asia, 48%—nearly 10 million—of girls are married before the age of 18., and In Africa, 42% of girls were married before turning 18. most of them are forced into the marriages by their parents (so they can get dowries, thus basically getting paid for selling their underage daughters off).

hrmm...

Okay, this is completely assuming that they are having a sexual relationship. And if they are not, and the guy is totally waiting until she is older, then even though I think it's weird I'm gonna give them the weird twilight pass card. GOOD FOR YOU JACOB!

So if they are having a sexual relationship//

Kay guys, let's look at this from a purely "scientific" perspective. and NOT a society-influenced value/opinions..

EVERYONE DO THEIR RESEARCH ABOUT THE BRAIN AND THE FRONTAL LOBE, which is responsible for long-term decision making. Adolescents do not, and cannot (even if they think they can) make decisions properly without parental/guardian guidance. I know that sounds like a big slap in the face for a lot of you who are adolescents, and i know for a FACT that if someone said this to me when I was 12, I would have called BS. And that's not a bad attitude to have. That head-strong attitude of yours will get you through some tough times in life, so it shouldn't be entirely discouraged.

However, the real FACT is, that the reason why we never understand these decisions when we are younger, is cause it does not affect us until we are older. Our decisions we make as children CAN affect us as adults. Meaning, there is a good chance she will grow up and look back, and think about this relationship in a different light.

Also, children are FREE TO EXPLORE THEIR OWN SEXUALITIES. The ONLY proven healthy way of doing this, is to explore their sexuality on their own. I'm not saying all the kids should go wacking off in front of everyone's mother, but it's considered a healthy, normal development to explore sexuality on their own terms. The problem with an adult, is that most likely the adult has different urges, different ideas about sexuality, that they will consciously, or unconsciously, project them onto a child, should they decide to have sex with a child.

Plus, engaging in sexual activities with a developing human being can make a person addicted to sex as an adult.

Now, after knowing all of this (which you can freely google yourself to see whether or not it's true), and this guy still chooses a sexual relationship, Imma shake him and her parents.

EDIT// and for those of you guys claiming it's "normal" in other countries. c'mon guys, those are usually countries where children and females are second rate citizens. Don't use that as a legit comparison, you are not helping your case at all!