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Posted 11/23/12

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Yeah its disgusting, these Hamas peace loving folks fired 700 rockets filled with flowers and love over Israel just this year before Israel had enough of it and started to strike back.


It is utterly disgusting, indeed. How dare the Palestinians try and bomb Israel, they have no right to do that, only Israel has any legitimate mandate to to rain hell upon the Palestinian people, to blockade them, and starve them. What more, these people audaciously decide to hold a democratic election, and not just a democratic election, but they choose to elect someone we didn't support! They choose to elect terrorists, obviously, they are not fit enough to have democracy, and still need us to guide them, and for their lack of sense, must be punished. Absolutely disgusting.


thats so true dude i agree right here with you, israel can do whatever the hell it wants. But Palestinians cant do shit right. But atleast the blockade will stop now and the ceasefire, so that a relief. but still Israel just like u said is lost without the help of americans. THEY ARE DISGUSTING. You should see what the israeli people think.


So, it is right to fire rockets onto Israeli civilians?


well if israel is killing so many civilians do u not think dat they will think its ok for them, i personally hate to see civilians die dats why i despise dem Israel but what do u think. If you had your land stolen inch by inch over 50 years dont u think u will be angry to. Oh yes anyone would be trying to get it back.
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Posted 11/23/12 , edited 11/23/12

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longfenglim wrote:


ichigofes12 wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


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Yeah its disgusting, these Hamas peace loving folks fired 700 rockets filled with flowers and love over Israel just this year before Israel had enough of it and started to strike back.


It is utterly disgusting, indeed. How dare the Palestinians try and bomb Israel, they have no right to do that, only Israel has any legitimate mandate to to rain hell upon the Palestinian people, to blockade them, and starve them. What more, these people audaciously decide to hold a democratic election, and not just a democratic election, but they choose to elect someone we didn't support! They choose to elect terrorists, obviously, they are not fit enough to have democracy, and still need us to guide them, and for their lack of sense, must be punished. Absolutely disgusting.


thats so true dude i agree right here with you, israel can do whatever the hell it wants. But Palestinians cant do shit right. But atleast the blockade will stop now and the ceasefire, so that a relief. but still Israel just like u said is lost without the help of americans. THEY ARE DISGUSTING. You should see what the israeli people think.


So, it is right to fire rockets onto Israeli civilians?


well if israel is killing so many civilians do u not think dat they will think its ok for them, i personally hate to see civilians die dats why i despise dem Israel but what do u think. If you had your land stolen inch by inch over 50 years dont u think u will be angry to. Oh yes anyone would be trying to get it back.



So, it is good for the Palestinians to bomb school children and fire at elderly shoppers as revenge, while it is despicable- yeah, deplorable- for Israel to go after Palestinians in revenge. The Palestinians have the right to be mad that they are being shot at, the Israelis do not. The Palestinians have the right to demand their land (which, funnily enough, was never actually 'their' land, being traded between the Turks, the Brits, who then gave a portion to Israel), the Israeli have no right to live in their own country. I suppose that seems logical enough.

In Corsica, there is an old tradition called la vendetta corsa, where one man, if slighted or harm, will go out of his way to summon up his clan to war against the kinsfolk of his injurer, to kill the offender, and the offender in turn kills the killer of the offender, and this merry cycle goes one until it ends the utter destruction of one or the other clan. In this way, the Corsican were able to effectively and justly administer justice throughout the island. How pleasing it is to see such admirable policy is now wisely used to regulate this conflict between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

What lover of peace would not rejoice to see the utter destruction of one or the other- you, obviously, preferring the destruction of the Israeli, and the other fellow you had that lengthy argument with preferring the destruction of the Palestinian. Such just destruction of one nation or the other nation is the only possible solution that any reasonable man can accept- let all men scorn these womanish things: Talks, Negotiation, Compromises, and Goodwill! Let no man be guided by these feminine irrationality, and instead, let us, rational people, be guided by virile reason and manful logic: Let there be war!
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I never said I want destruction of Palestinians, I said I wanted terror organizations to be wiped out, there is a huge difference between these two.
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I never said I want destruction of Palestinians, I said I wanted terror organizations to be wiped out, there is a huge difference between these two.


i dnt want isral to be destroyed i wnat them to stop killing children and women dats it and u isral are doing exactly what u call "terrr* is exaclty what u r doing doing airstrikes on palestinians, tell me what would happen if pallestinians did dat to u heh den we will be called trrrst right but u know right that isral is doing it to palestine so its not dat den
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I never said I want destruction of Palestinians, I said I wanted terror organizations to be wiped out, there is a huge difference between these two.


The difference is that no one has quite defined what it means to be a 'terror organisation'- do you mean the one that bombs Civilians with the latest and most high-tech killing machines or the one that relies on home-made rockets or imported home-made rockets? Until then, let both sides, guided by manful reason, continue to kill each other until one or the other is completely defeated!
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The Terrorist organization I meant Hamas, who blow themself up, murder,butcher kids and civilians as their way of living just for the heck of having 72 virgins.
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Posted 11/23/12 , edited 11/23/12

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I never said I want destruction of Palestinians, I said I wanted terror organizations to be wiped out, there is a huge difference between these two.


i dnt want isral to be destroyed i wnat them to stop killing children and women dats it and u isral are doing exactly what u call "terrr* is exaclty what u r doing doing airstrikes on palestinians, tell me what would happen if pallestinians did dat to u heh den we will be called trrrst right but u know right that isral is doing it to palestine so its not dat den


It may come as a surprise to you, but Palestinians do do those things, they do kill innocent Israelis.

Also, do learn to improve your orthography,

Am Yisrael Chai,

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The Terrorist organization I meant Hamas, who blow themself up, murder,butcher kids and civilians as their way of living just for the heck of having 72 virgins.


By Terrorist Organisation, I usually think of something more broad, you know, as an organisation that uses terror to achieve its mean. Thus, we have your typical Mahometan Terrorist, your Communist PLF, your Israeli Defence Force and their night raids and the terror what they unleashed upon, those Northern Irelanders who shoot each other over the degree in which they love England, your Aryan Supremacist Neo-Nazi red neck, your Canadian kidnapping Frenchies, etc. So, really, while the IDF doesn't blow themselves up (they have enough bombs and planes that they don't need to), they still murder, butcher civilians and children, deprive Palestinians of aid just because they voted in a party that represented what they want- They should know that democracy is all about voting in the fellow we want, that was the lesson of Latin America, the Lesson of Haiti, the lesson of various third world nations, and they lesson they just don't seem to get.

But, to move on from this disgression, the important thing is that I now understand that a Terrorist Organisation, is much more specific than that, it refers only to a subset of such a broad, and untenable definition- it is supposed to mean only those minority who must satisfy these three criteria:
a- Must believe in 72 Virgins in heaven
b- must murder and butcher children and civilians
c- must be called 'Hamas'

Thus, the Socialist Palestinian Liberation Front is a perfectly acceptable organisation, because it fails to meet criteria a and c, even if it does meet criteria c, so it is okay for them to attack Israel and kill Israeli civilians.

The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, also Socialist, and, worse, Marxist, also fails to meet a and c, therefore it gets the green light.

Fatah, also fails on c, though I am not quite sure of a, so therefore they get to go at Israel.
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So by your logic, Russia, USA, NATO are Terrorists too?
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Posted 11/23/12 , edited 11/23/12

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So by your logic, Russia, USA, NATO are Terrorists too?


If they use terror as a tactic to achieve their ends, then, by the classical and most simple definition of 'Terrorism', they are terrorist, such as the Russians at Chechnya, the US in Pakistan, and NATO during the Yugoslav conflict, among many others.

But, let's take your definition. To be a terrorist organisation one must:

a. believe that blowing yourself up or dying would grant you an eternity with 47 virgins

b. must butcher civilians and children

c. must be called HAMAS

Well, FATAH, PFLP, PLF, PLO, etc. don't meet criteria c, and some of them don't meet criteria a, so they are not terrorist organisation, and have the green light to kill innocent Israelis.

The IRA does not meet criteria a or c, and so, must also be free from the strains of being a terrorist organisation.

Al Queda, while certainly meeting a and b, do not meet c, and so are not terrorist organisation.

Red Neck Neo-Nazi cunts certainly have no problem with b, but needs to meet a and c, and are not terrorist organisation.

So, if we limit the list based upon your criteria, we see that the only terrorist organisation that can be called a 'terrorist organisation' is HAMAS.

And so, while it is not okay for HAMAS to take part in this carnage, it is perfectly alright if the Palestinians decide to found a new organisation with the same policy or join any of the other organisation to continue their merry vendetta.
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Posted 11/23/12 , edited 11/23/12
by my definition? I never stated what terrorist organization means, I stated what terrorist organization needs to be erased in order to bring better balance in Gaza, though it does include fatah in it but the main problem now is hamas.
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by my definition? I never stated what terrorist organization means, I stated what terrorist organization needs to be erased in order to bring better balance in Gaza, though it does include fatah in it but the main problem now is hamas.


No, you said, 'The Terrorist organization I meant Hamas, who blow themself up, murder,butcher kids and civilians as their way of living just for the heck of having 72 virgins'- as a response to the simple question of defining what it means to be a 'terrorist organisation'.


So really, it seems to me that, if we restrict ourselves to this, any organisation that is not HAMAS ( or, in your recent addition, FATAH) has a green light to murder innocent Israelis, just as groups of army men has a green light on murdering innocent Palestinians. And we can continue with this merry and felicitous cycle of tit for tat until there is one tribe left, and, Oh, what happy people we will all be then.
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Posted 11/23/12
I said this.

I never said I want destruction of Palestinians, I said I wanted terror organizations to be wiped out, there is a huge difference between these two.

then you didn't understood what terror organizations I am talking about so I pointed it out by writing this


The Terrorist organization I meant Hamas, who blow themself up, murder,butcher kids and civilians as their way of living just for the heck of having 72 virgins.


By what kind of fucked up mind you have to think Israel is murdering innocent palestinians for the fun of it? IDF is defending itself and targets only terrorist organizations not innocent people you hypocrite.
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Posted 11/23/12 , edited 11/23/12

TorekO wrote:

I said this.

I never said I want destruction of Palestinians, I said I wanted terror organizations to be wiped out, there is a huge difference between these two.

then you didn't understood what terror organizations I am talking about so I pointed it out by writing this


The Terrorist organization I meant Hamas, who blow themself up, murder,butcher kids and civilians as their way of living just for the heck of having 72 virgins.


By what kind of fucked up mind you have to think Israel is murdering innocent palestinians for the fun of it? IDF is defending itself and targets only terrorist organizations not innocent people you hypocrite.

First Objection:

My question, how do you define a Terrorist Organisation? Do you mean the one that kills with hightech killing machines, or one that kills with home made rockets.

Your answer:

The Terrorist organization I meant Hamas, who blow themself up, murder,butcher kids and civilians as their way of living just for the heck of having 72 virgins.

Second Objection:

Of course Israel isn't murdering innocent Palestinians for the fun of it, neither is HAMAS- they do so for a stated goal, Israel of defending its continued defiance of international law and all previous agreement with the Palestinians, punishment for voting the wrong way, and their revenge killing, and the Palestinians for getting rid of Israel altogether, murdering all Jews therein, and violating their end of their previous agreement and international law, and whatever else they are fighting for, I don't really care.

As I said, let the natural, manful, and reasonable laws of Vengeance and Vendetta rule over this dispute, and let us abolish all treasonous and irrational thoughts of Negotiation, Compromise, and Goodwill!
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Posted 11/24/12 , edited 11/24/12

My answer never was to your second question it was to point out what I stated and where it was pointed to since you said I wanted destruction of Palestinians.

But here ill point few things of difference between Israel and Hamas.
This savage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y and their stated goal are understandable goal? their goal isn't for fun? their joy is death of innocent people. They danced and were smiling when 9/11 happened, they give candies away when innocent people die, suicide bombers that killed innocent people are heroes to them and have altars of worship for them, they love death of others more then their own people lives and that's the problem here and why they are Terrorist organization, Hamas are recognized as a terrorist organization by Nations because they target non combatants with intention and their goal is genocide.

Israel being terrorist state is wrong, because it doesn't target innocent people, it doesn't want genocide it doesn't even want destruction of Palestine, instead it tried many times to start making peace, all it does is trying to defend itself and trying to minimize the danger of surrounding enemies that wants it destruction and their actions proves that, now if you gonna add civilian casualties, you cant avoid civilian casualties in such wars and Israel does try its best to avoid civilian casualties its proven but our enemy use civilians as a shield so it becomes complicated.
About blockade, blockade was made to minimize the weaponry smuggling and suicide bombing and it did help against suicide bombing but not rocket smuggle, but the real question you should be asking, why Hamas that managed to smuggle rockets and wasted the donated money on it didn't use it to uplift level life of Palestinians? the only side that needs to stop using aggression is Hamas, once Hamas starts working towards peace and stop declaring destruction of Israel, they will start living peacefully and there wont be any need for blockade or war.

Now you tell me are they even similar? Israel isn't a saint but you really try comparing them?
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