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Posted 11/18/12 , edited 11/18/12
I'm suprised only oculus rift was posted on crunchyroll. You'll be shocked how close we are getting something like sword art online anytime soon. This thing basically let's you control your computer using your mind. But you must go thru some training >.<.
http://emotiv.com/store/hardware/epoc-bci/epoc-neuroheadset/

http://www.feng-gui.com/research/MindControlAngryBirds/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40L3SGmcPDQ&feature=related

Sony already got 3D headsets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThRVZMRQNKc
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they need to hurry up and make SaO a reality... you know, minus the crazy guy that locked everyone in the game
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None of those comes close to what they describe in SAO. Those devices seem to literally intercept the brains' communication with muscles, and sending that information to a server. I don't think that they are anywhere near close enough to create a game where your mind controls all of your muscle movement in the same way.

Reading emotion and animating a character face in a similar fashion is much different than thinking move forwards and a character moves forwards. The only type of headset possible in our lifetime would have to be type used in .hack.

We're at a technological plateau at the moment. Until there is a major breakthrough in the understanding of how the intricacies of our brains work, SAO will remain a fantasy.
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Not happening within our lifetime.

There may be improvement to current 3D and possibly introduction of hologram, but virtual reality is still far far away.

In order to create something like "NerveGear", the science community needs to fully understand every part of the brain, and we're not even close.

Then the gaming industry would have to hire neuroscientists and engineers to work together for initial research, then experimenting on those research, which is a huge financial risk.
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They would have to turn our sense into radio active signals, and send them back and forth through the game. If they were to experiment on that, imagine how many would end up with a damaged brain.
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You guys are crazy. "technological plateau" "not happening within our lifetime". An EEG with the same abilities as linked to in this thread 10 years ago was many thousands of dollars, and now there's a dozen companies pursuing development with ones you can get for a few hundred bucks or less. More money goes into AI and Neuroscience all the time. Gaming (excluding gambling) is a multibillion dollar industry that pushes forward computer hardware every year. What we knew 5 years ago pales in comparison to what we know about the brain now. We're on the tip of an exponentially rising technological curve.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see something like NerveGear in another 10 years and a game like SAO in the next 20.
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The video game presented in SAO indicates that all the five senses were manipulated.

Therefore, you have to be able to invent a device that is able to manipulate the visual part of the brain to conjure up images - sort of like being in a dream state.
The other components would involve hearing, touching, smelling and tasting.


Plus, when you're playing the game, they have to invent a device or medication that temporarily disables your muscles... the same thing the brain does when we're sleeping.

When we're running in a dream, we don't run in real life, the brain naturally releases chemicals that blocks muscle movement during dreaming states.




It's not simple. Plus, nowadays the experimentation on humans are very strict... they're not going to be able to experiment on anything even if they do have the 1. research and 2. technology.
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jchysk wrote:

You guys are crazy. "technological plateau" "not happening within our lifetime". An EEG with the same abilities as linked to in this thread 10 years ago was many thousands of dollars, and now there's a dozen companies pursuing development with ones you can get for a few hundred bucks or less. More money goes into AI and Neuroscience all the time. Gaming (excluding gambling) is a multibillion dollar industry that pushes forward computer hardware every year. What we knew 5 years ago pales in comparison to what we know about the brain now. We're on the tip of an exponentially rising technological curve.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see something like NerveGear in another 10 years and a game like SAO in the next 20.


Technologically speaking, you're probably right about the possibility of building something within the next 20 years. The biggest hurdle isn't the technology, but the entire science involved in making something like this. Even leaving aside the difficulties of approving experiments to test something like NerveGear, think about what something like NerveGear actually does. Let's assume that we figure out everything we need to know about how the brain works (I'm with you that it's entirely possible to do this in 20 years) -- Speaking very basically, your brain is given some data, and decides what to do with it. Essentially, your brain creates the information. In order to make NerveGear work, the machine would need to control the impulses that make the brain work. This means that when the NerveGear simulates sound or smell, it doesn't give your nose something to smell, it sends "smell impulses" to your brain. This means that, unlike anything that currently exists, we have machines creating the information rather than our brains. From there, there's tons of sci-fi, cyberpunk, dystopian types of theories about how bad of an idea that would be, but I won't make any guesses until I have data about how the machine actually works. But basically, there's the possibility that the NerveGear would be able to manipulate information in your brain. If there's even a rumor of something like that, I could see people getting really freaked out, and making laws against it. So all in all, even if we have the technology, there are numerous other hurdles to be passed. Shit, I might even say it's possible that we have the technology right now, but I don't see it happening anytime soon, because it's not simply a matter of technology.

Edit: Then again, people continue to surprise me with their innovation, and really, although I do think it's improbable, I would not be surprised AT ALL if something did indeed come out in 10 years.
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crash1187 wrote:

they need to hurry up and make SaO a reality... you know, minus the crazy guy that locked everyone in the game


He was my favorite character because of that xD Don't really think he was that crazy, the next guy in the following game, was more somewhat a crazy person.
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Why not just create a holodeck?
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I hope the they don't invent the technoloigy too soon. Something that can make you LIVE a game, Experience a preprogrammed reality, live Someone else's script....

I'm sorry I hate to see what the the interrogators and brain washers, cult leaders and dictators would do with such technology. To describe it as Orwellian would fail to do it's justice.

On the other hand maybe it would to a happy crime free, disagreement free, homgenous world where everyone worshipped the one true god and laboured eagerly for the state.
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can't say that i fully agree with knowing the brain inside out to have a functioning nerve gear, but it would make it alot easier to build.

as long as you got a device that can read the wave lengths to every body part than your good to go.

the next step would be cutting off the signal to the body, and sending the signal back to the brain telling it that the function has been done.

if you can do this than you can basically understand the brain as a whole.

but with all the mad scientist here are saying, if a device can do that can't you use it to control whoever wheres it?
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Posted 11/19/12
Brain Machine Interfaces is the technology to watch. Oculus and Imotiv are not even close to Nervegear. While it will need stringent rules this technology is something i hope to see as well. Don't care if I am in a nursing home it be fun to play a fully immersive VRMMO.. As long as they aren't implanted in body i think abuse by governments and stuff is easily curtailed...

The SAO/Accel World Novels actually cover a lot of whats brought up in this thread heh.

Posted 11/19/12

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jchysk wrote:

You guys are crazy. "technological plateau" "not happening within our lifetime". An EEG with the same abilities as linked to in this thread 10 years ago was many thousands of dollars, and now there's a dozen companies pursuing development with ones you can get for a few hundred bucks or less. More money goes into AI and Neuroscience all the time. Gaming (excluding gambling) is a multibillion dollar industry that pushes forward computer hardware every year. What we knew 5 years ago pales in comparison to what we know about the brain now. We're on the tip of an exponentially rising technological curve.

I wouldn't be surprised at all to see something like NerveGear in another 10 years and a game like SAO in the next 20.


Technologically speaking, you're probably right about the possibility of building something within the next 20 years. The biggest hurdle isn't the technology, but the entire science involved in making something like this. Even leaving aside the difficulties of approving experiments to test something like NerveGear, think about what something like NerveGear actually does. Let's assume that we figure out everything we need to know about how the brain works (I'm with you that it's entirely possible to do this in 20 years) -- Speaking very basically, your brain is given some data, and decides what to do with it. Essentially, your brain creates the information. In order to make NerveGear work, the machine would need to control the impulses that make the brain work. This means that when the NerveGear simulates sound or smell, it doesn't give your nose something to smell, it sends "smell impulses" to your brain. This means that, unlike anything that currently exists, we have machines creating the information rather than our brains. From there, there's tons of sci-fi, cyberpunk, dystopian types of theories about how bad of an idea that would be, but I won't make any guesses until I have data about how the machine actually works. But basically, there's the possibility that the NerveGear would be able to manipulate information in your brain. If there's even a rumor of something like that, I could see people getting really freaked out, and making laws against it. So all in all, even if we have the technology, there are numerous other hurdles to be passed. Shit, I might even say it's possible that we have the technology right now, but I don't see it happening anytime soon, because it's not simply a matter of technology.

Edit: Then again, people continue to surprise me with their innovation, and really, although I do think it's improbable, I would not be surprised AT ALL if something did indeed come out in 10 years.


Well said...I agree fully.
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I have a feeling exposing your brain to these kinds of thing may be the same as exposing it to radiation. Also, if you can artificially force the brain to release chemicals, there are many drugs that the body naturally produces that could be abused. It may help treatment of addiction as well though.

The morality of such a device will take at least 20 years to debate.
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