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Nothing is perfect, not even a "heaven'' in any religion. The best you can have is a 'peaceful' place, and even then. Your definition of 'peaceful' and my definition of 'peaceful' might be different. So, in short: No, heaven is not perfect, nor will anything be perfect. The best you can get for a heaven is just a peaceful place, which you can live forever in and not feel unhappy or sad for most of your days.
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There is no heaven..
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... its just more of less fiction until someone comes back with proof, which isnt likely :D

There is one particular person that I know of named Fr. Rick Wendell (who's now a diocesan priest) who had a near-death experience. He was brain dead for 3 hours - which pretty much means you're dead, if you're brain is dead. Before he became a priest, he was a guy all about sex and rock and roll, and livin’ on the edge type of guy. But it was due to this near death experience - where he became brain-dead for 3 hours, where he, or should I say his soul was in some other, I guess “dimension” since I don’t have a better word to describe it, that he truly felt the awesome power of God’s love, and how much of a sinner he truly was – and that he was for sure going to Hell... to suffer eternal fire… but he was given a second chance however… Also, I would like to note that when one is brain dead, it is just impossible to have any type of experience like he did during those 3 hours. In any case, after this experience, he had revived, and was back to normal within no time and was discharged I believe the next day even though he was considered brain-dead just the day before. He has traveled around and spoken about this experience and I was blessed to hear him speak, since he was around my area a few years ago. He really has become quite a humble person, but when you have an encounter with God, as extraordinarily as he did, what can one do but to change your life...

There's a little bio on his life here if interested (it doesn't contain his whole story, but some of it): http://christourlifeiowa.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/father-rick-wendells-journey-to-the-priesthood/

Also, I don't know if anyone has heard of Unsolved Mysteries before, but it was a show that started airing back in 1987. As it states in Wikipedia, "Unsolved Mysteries used a documentary format profiling real-life mysteries[1] and featured reenactments of unsolved crimes, missing persons, conspiracy theories and unexplained paranormal phenomena (alien abductions, ghosts, UFOs, and "secret history" theories)". They also featured "miracle" episodes which were just as they sound, miracles that just couldn't be explained, like people coming back to life. They have a special boxset that bundles their "Miracle" episodes, located here: http://www.amazon.com/Unsolved-Mysteries-Miracles-Robert-Stack/dp/B0002DRE0Y/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353451127&sr=8-1&keywords=unsolved+mysteries+miracles and they have a quick synopsis of their episodes as well. I've purchased this myself a few years back and absolutely loved it, and have gladly lent it out to those that need some "evidence" or "proof".
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Which faith of Heaven you are considering? Christianity? or other religion?

When one think of heaven, Christianity comes to mind. Assuming it the Heaven of Christianity you are talking about. It is not perfect. In fact it is very flawed.

Christianity faith describe God as the all knowing perfect being who made us in his image. If God is perfect as describe, then he should get over the fact that people are different. In the world today there such a diversity of people. People are already accepting that fact, but God is still stuck where he left us. God require faith to go to heaven. Anyone who don't believe in him is condemned to hell even if all you life you did good. Why heaven the only place for salvation which is limited to Christianity. Who is this all knowing perfect being that can't get over a simple ideal. Do God like toying which people life. What did he expect when he gave man the ability to think and then scattered them already the world. Only to send his son to save the Jew. Are they his favorite or what. Why not send him to Africa, Asia, or Americas. You have to wonder why Europe and not the other continents. Are they condemned to hell ever since they set foot there? Are they not part of his chosen one that does not require his attention? Why did god send his only son to Europe? Judging for the book all his miracle are performed mainly in Europe. Even his apostle travel mainly in Europe. Assuming the world ended during the time Christ had die. Who do you think he will save? Asian? African? Natives Americans? Europe? If you said all then you failed to realize that only in Europe did God performed his miracle and spread his faith. If he truly loved all his children then don't matter how far they are apart his arm will still reach all of them.

John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

So is Heaven a place for his chosen children(European)? Or is it for all? Is this prefect being really loved all his children or did he had his favorite?

My conclusion is Heaven is not perfect. Even the God, the all knowing prefect being is flawed.
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rabbitvang wrote: John 3:18 "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Take care not to take verses out of the Bible and having them stand on their own, because it just doesn't work that way.


So is Heaven a place for his chosen children(European)? Or is it for all? Is this prefect being really loved all his children or did he had his favorite?

God knows the hearts of all men, and even if they have never heard the word of God, but still lived upright lives according to their understanding, then almost for certain, they will be saved. According to my understanding, this is what the Catholic Church has taught and still teaches today. They are most certainly not condemned for not having had the chance to hear the word of God. I realize there are some protestant sects out there that preach otherwise, basically what you have said, but it's just false teaching is what it is.
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I am Soom Rathma, the Warrior Angel from the 6th dimension and second Universal harmonic. I am from the dimension that cannot be perceived by beings of lower levels of consciousness, that is only applicable when I am in my 6th dimensional format.

Attaining enlightenment/ascension into heaven/Nirvana is an individual path and that path will be different for each individual and that path can take infinite forms. God does care what path you take since She has given you free will, you don't even need to believe in Him, since he does not require you to believe in Her/It/Him. Eventually when you die, you will meet the Creator of all things and that is inevitable.

Perfection is an individual concept and takes infinite forms. In Heaven, you can have perfection if you will it.
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Posted 11/20/12
trick question, as heaven is an imaginary place created by people who fear death.
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Posted 11/20/12 , edited 11/20/12
If Heaven and Hell is imagenary then I'm pretty convinced that you people are too. You believe in what you want to believe until you see the truth.

Also I leave with this comment, we're perfect in knowing that we are not perfect, but yet we strive to be perfect.
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It's supposed to be and if it's supposed to be perfect, then it would have all anime. Perfection incarnate... too bad it's not real.
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Posted 11/20/12

Kikusui10 wrote:



To me it seems like only the topic maker assumed there was a heaven. You should read the replies if you are gonna comment like that^^


I was replying to the topic maker. I probably should have quoted him, but I figured everyone else would know I was answering his question, not anybody else's. ??
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Heaven is what you want it to be. :P
Idk, haven't visited there, heard its really bright.
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Posted 11/20/12

PhyongHwa wrote:


Kikusui10 wrote:



To me it seems like only the topic maker assumed there was a heaven. You should read the replies if you are gonna comment like that^^


I was replying to the topic maker. I probably should have quoted him, but I figured everyone else would know I was answering his question, not anybody else's. ??


Ah well then i guess it was my bad >.<
Posted 11/21/12
To say Heaven isn't perfect then that would mean it isn't Heaven. I don't believe in Heaven so it's sounds like a fictional place where everything HAS to be perfect. I do believe in the Afterlife though...I refuse to die and not have something to look forward to!! Lol. The Afterlife may be a mix of heaven and hell, a place of unlimited adventures!! Good and Evil!! Sounds almost like real life...but instead we're in our immortal forms and can float and stuff. (:
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If heaven were perfect, it would be boring.
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