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Given that there is an indistinguishable fake of something, as well as the real deal, which is worth more?
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Posted 11/21/12
The question was sparked by the final episode of Nisemonogatari. I thought it was an interesting one. Given that you have an indistinguishable fake and the real thing, which one do you think is worth more? Care to explain? I don't think there's an absolute right or wrong answer. It's alright if you don't think you can clearly or eloquently present your reason for choosing what you did. I just want an answer.

This can apply to both objects and people. Assume that 'fake' objects are made of the same quality and type of material, with the exact same signs of wear and tear (if any) of the original. Assume that 'fake' people have been created with all the properties of the real person, including their memories, behaviors, beliefs, bodily composition, etc.
Posted 11/21/12
In the event you can't have the real deal, a fake might suffice. It would make sense to model a fake to be exactly like what it is meant to copy as closely as possible. Should I be given the choice between the real deal and a fake, I'd take the real deal while knowing it could end up being the fake.
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Posted 11/21/12
Even if you somehow made a perfect replica of a Ming Dynasty Vase it is still no more valuable than a well made and artistic Vase of today's standards. The original isn't valuable because of it's beauty, materials, or even it's crafting techniques. It is valuable because it was made in the Ming Dynasty and is still in perfect condition.

That being said it is also about belief. As the creator/seller you know the truth however. If you can convince someone it is valuable then to them it is, at least until some expert clues them in. By that definition though you don't need to even be talking about a fake or replica item, you could be talking about playing poker and bluffing on a pair of 3's.

In the end though the real item still wins. Because if the guy across the table calls your bluff you still only have a pair of 3's. Even if you acted exactly how you would have if you had a straight flush it doesn't matter, because you don't have it. If you had that straight flush you would be the one raking in the chips. You can always "sell" the real deal, you can't always "sell" the fake.
Posted 11/21/12
If the replica has the same bodily composition/memories... I'm not sure it's a fake. It's actually the person, just duplicated... and magic is involved because that is against any natural laws.

Even a pair of identical twins do not share the same personalities.
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Posted 11/21/12 , edited 11/21/12
It would be one thing if the original and the copy were identical in every way, but they are not, the original holds within it one thing that the copy will never have and that is the inspiration and creativity that went into the original's creation and because of that the history that the piece created. In reality when someone purchases a valuable piece of history or art they are or should be paying for the beauty, creativity, and history of the item.
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Posted 11/21/12 , edited 11/21/12
I believe that if there are two indistinguishable things, one real, one fake, that they are worth the same. I'm not talking about monetary worth, but relative, comparative value. Why would it matter that it's authentic if the functions are the same and everything else is pretty much identical aside from age? The price tag on 'original' artwork is there only because people appraise the art and specialists insist on authenticity. But, if two objects or two people are identical other than that one is a replica of the other, I believe neither possesses any innate attributes that would raise its value to put it above that of the other. If anything, the fact that people are inclined to shell out more for a 'real deal' makes the fake more attractive if it does the exact same thing.
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Posted 11/21/12
I haven't finished watching Nisemonogatari yet, but if the two objects are indeed truly "indistinguishable," then they would be worth the same for they would be identical. As others have indicated, value is extrinsic-- what others attach to said object-- and can change and be quite subjective or situational.
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Posted 11/22/12
What you're asking is actually an old thought experiment propose in a lot of bio-ethics classes...

Its not that one is more valuable that the other. They are simply different. Besides once the fake is created, it is no longer the same as the original because they have different experiences from there out. They will become more and more differentiated as time goes by.
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Posted 11/22/12 , edited 11/22/12
Never watched that show, but if something is truly indistinguishable, because it is of the same quality and material, we would naturally assume that they are, in fact, equivalent, and so, it truly doesn't matter if you prefer the 'genuine one' or the 'false one', because both are exactly the same, therefore, we cannot say something is 'fake' or 'genuine', because a 'fake' is usually distinguished from its 'genuine' by its quality, that is, it is fake because it is not identical.

Another argument:

We say something is 'good' when it approaches the ideal perfection of that something, for example, a good cup is a cup that approaches the ideal cup, or a good eyeglasses approaches the ideal of eyeglasses. Therefore, when we behold something that is 'real', and we approach a 'fake' of equal value, it follows that they are worth just as much as each other, because they fall equally short of the ideal of that something.
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Posted 11/25/12
They will be the same. A good chunk of what you really pay for in a brand name is just the intangible idea of the brand's name's high quality reputation.

Besides, monetary value is just an idea you don't need to believe in.
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