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Sword Art Online: Plot being ruined.
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Posted 12/18/12

xCrimsonEX wrote:



JayVeeDees basically fits anything I'd say. I would add is that so called 'critics' shouldn't think they're immune to getting opinions tossed at them too. I will counter-point any one of them if I think they're wrong or if they're trying to spout opinion as fact (my main issue with people in regards to SAO atm). I don't go to 'fan sites' because I don't want to hear non-stop praise or w/e I just want to enjoy my anime without seeing someone giving some B.S. reason for hating it ("Kirito fused his swords, this is makes him even more unbalanced!" when in actuality if you pay attention the fact is it wasn't and he was doing dual-wielding as he had throughout the series) and yet what I get is arrogant people that think they should be able to speak for everyone.


Exactly. People that categorize them selves as critiques, should not try to shove down the information that they have and make people *have* to listen to them. This is probably what I hate about Youtube reviewers <.< Even though I watch them, I just hate the fact that they do this pretty much all the time.
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Posted 12/18/12

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Superblick wrote:

What people fail to realize is that there is a 10 second or so gap from when someone dies in SAO until they die in real life. This was explained in one of the episodes (I believe it was the one where Kirito got the resurrection potion).


Kirito gave it to his gay friend, remember?


Yes, he gave the potion to a friend...but what you fail to get from what I said is that there is still a 10 second delay from when you die in the game and when you die out of the game. No matter what there is a 10 second buffer.

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SAO could have gone on alot in the game of life and death not sure why they ended it where they did but as for ALO they made it know that he had an advantage from his stats carrying over ? do u not think that a player of 2 years wouldnt have incredible strength? or the desire not to see someone die after living in a 2 year death game? if you dont understand that much of the plot i doubt you'd understand the rest of it, every mmo is designed so that players can progress to goals and Kirto completed that which is where his strength came from, him using an unreal spell made sense being who he was, although having such a spell would have made more sense to use in tough battles. The anime has flaws and could have been more thought out, but it overall is a great anime and has kept my interest with the last few eps wanting you to see more, and not adding fillers through it is a major thing.
Posted 12/18/12
Phew, finally got time to reply; I still have one final paper to write but time to start responding.


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First: Not hardly the 'hottest' female. 'Hot' is subjective so I don't really see anything in critiquing that. He goes with the female he most likes/cares for the end. I personally would go for Leafa/Sugu but that's me.


Fair point, I already stated why I don't buy the romance between Kerrytoe and Assuna so I won't reiterate. I personally like Leafa/Sugu over Asuna but the show has provided some decent interaction between the two to show some chemistry unlike Kerrytoe and Assuna.


Second: The point is you don't know what the nerve gear is capable of and tbh its not completely on the author to tell you as it could be a background element as far as he/she is concerned. If say the helmet were to convert human will power/emotion into the game then its possible a player could over-ride the game's system. Add to this that in several rpg's paralysis isn't per se always locked in place just 90% of time then it also makes sense.


I believe the lack of explanations of the game's mechanic (and by extent, the "console's" mechanics) is what causes much misunderstandings about the show. As for the bold part, had the anime explained it, I would not have much to argue about the SAO's ending. I also went back and dug through episodes 1 and 3 for information about the NerveGear:



Third: And you don't think there are total monsters out in the world? Not every villain needs some redeemable quality.


I believe humans to be animals chained by society -- that's to say that we're just waiting for the chains to be removed so we can release our instincts.

My problem with Sugou is that since he's an embodiment of all these tropes, he becomes a plot device. Give Sugou some spice, and he would had been a much better villain.


Fourth: What I've seen is people pulling at each and every little detail they can find just to tear apart a series. SAO is telling a story simple as that. And what you see as 'potential' others would complain about from here to the moon if it were put into place because not everyone thinks the same way thus why 'critics', imo, should go retreat into their little holes and not insult a series.


Nitpickers are annoying, I understand, but it's probably best for you to ignore them; I've been chastised on other fora for my criticisms of SAO but I've manage to deal with it. I also see that we both have very different connotations of what a "critic" is; I view "critic" as a person who evaluates (both positive and negative) and you seem to use the more negative definition of it.

And you seem to have mentioned that many critics of SAO write their opinions off as facts, may you elaborate what you mean by that?
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Posted 12/18/12
i still love this anime and im excited to see how it progresses from here on out
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I thought the SAO arc was a little more entertaining. The ALO arc has it's downfalls but I still found it enjoyable. Overall it's a television show, and like all other television shows it is meant to entertain. If you are not entertained then just dont watch it.
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Posted 12/18/12 , edited 12/19/12


Too lazy to delete the parts I don't intend to fight any more as their moot xD.

In response to the second part: Could the nerve gear have been explained better? Sure but that doesn't kill the entire series. And to be honest to get a full picture of the tech you'd probably need to examine the anime, the LN, and maybe Accel World since iirc it has a similar tech which could give some answers. Again I have to stress that even if they did go into details you'd have some people complaining about how they spent time on such trivial things.

Third part: Exactly and in a virtual world those chains are removed especially for someone like Sugou that has unrivaled power, being an admin and all. Could his character have been elaborated on? Sure but I can give you another puddle of scum that deserves his death in Zoken Matou from Fate Stay Night.

Fourth part: Let me put it this way in regards to people's opinions of anime: a friend of mine checked out SAO and decided he didn't like it. Did he write mile long posts about how x-thing ruins the series or how x-thing is just so outrageous? No, he didn't. He simply said its not his thing, the end. This doesn't discourage others from watching it to get their own view on it. To stress this even further I saw in a thread somewhere on these forums someone say something about Shakugan no Shana series followed by someone that said he/she had liked the first episode but may not finish watching the series because of said poster, imo. This is my issue with people 'critiquing' anything since I've watched SnS and liked it.

-Sub-part of this: Saying things like say the nerve gear part for you are a major thing. This isn't a major deal for a large majority of people thus isn't a fact and is only an opinion. Someone else mentioning Kirito being a Gary-Stu is an opinion and not a fact. The pacing of the story is an opinion and not a fact as it varies from person to person. And yet these are presented as facts by the people that talk about them.

An example of opinion not being fact but presented as if it were fact:


Dual-wielding means wielding two swords not in each hand but just two swords thus it is dual-wielding.
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I wonder how ALO would have been if it were an actual journey to save Asuna?
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Wow. This thread is still going back and forth? Nice. The way I see it, is the simple "Knight saves the princess" style storyline and the relative shallow characters are actually why it's so popular. The animation is sharp as well, so I see why it has mass appeal. I enjoy throughly, because it's a nice simple romp through a fantasy world. While their are underlying social tones, the over all plot of Asuna and Kitiro fighting to see each other is fun and refreshing. Sometimes simple is better. Sure, what's his face and the Bond style mind control plot is laughable, I also find it enjoyable. Opinions, one is entitled to them of course. But I see why it can appeal to the masses. And there is nothing wrong with that. I can go elsewhere for more thought provoking plot lines and characters
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Posted 12/19/12

JayVeeDees wrote:
What I'm tired of is the people that keep on saying that they hate it, that's my problem. I totally respect the opinion of the people that don't like it, but they who just keep on saying.

E.x.
Damn this episode was bad!
Damn this series really sucks.
Damn I hate this, why do people even watch it?


That's just lame, people should just write a review about it and stop with the negative attitude. Sure you can give your opinion on the proof that you've got, but some people when they got the proof they want, they want to make them believe, they think they are some priests or something..-.- xD

*sarcasm maybe intended*


I could say the same about people who give positive reviews for this anime; comments like "Masterpiece" or "Deep character development"... or "SAO is the best anime ever made".

Why are those "opinions" acceptable to you? But not something like "SAO is the worst anime of 2012"?

If you're going to shut up the super negative critics... you'll have to shut up the super positive critics as well because both of these critics are doing exactly the same thing.


Which brings me back to my original point; people should be free to say whatever they want about an anime... it's freedom of speech, as long as they don't insult other people, I don't see it as a problem.




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Posted 12/19/12 , edited 12/19/12


Sure if they keep on doing it sure you're right, but I have not seen many that do so, there are only those that say the show is great without facts which just makes it an opinion.
I'm not saying that you can't say it against the opposite, I'm saying that you shouldn't keep trying to shove it into another persons face all the time. And positive posts are always better than negative-.-

Example on a positive critic.

I didn't like this series for what it is.
*Insert proof here*
*Without trying to target the shows flaws as much, then it should be fine as positive*

Example on a negative critic.

I hate this show, I don't see why other people watch it.
*Insert proof here*
*targeting flaws*
*Example: Come on get over it, Kirito is way too over powerd, and he has no depth at all, complete crap.*

But because of the fact that it's hard to do it in a positive fashion, that causes that everyone that thinks themselves as a critic, tries to target a shows flaws and flame the series for it. I'm not saying a critic shouldn't try to find the flaws of a series, but I just think it's wrong to target one thing and make it into a bigger deal than it already is.
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Although everyone is free to give their opinions, a specific thread such as this is targeted towards those who had watched the series and had liked it (or is frustrated with how the series has progressed). And wants to talk about it, good or bad.

Those who posts with one-liners with "I love it" or "This show sucks" cannot be categorized as the same. The 1st group love the series and thus, when seeing the topic, feels compelled to post. The 2nd group on the other hand, what are their motives for posting? You hated the show? Okay. Wouldn't it be better to go look for another series that you may like instead of wasting your time here? Granted you want to have your voice heard but why would anyone search for topics on series that they dislike, to post in it?

And for those who had liked/loved the series and is frustrated with it, that's what this topic is for. However, I've seen a few who are making disparaging remarks at every opportunity possible even though their points may be valid. This just lessens the impact of their points and instead of presenting it as a point for debate, it makes it a point for argument instead.

What's the difference between a debate and argument? A debate, you'd target the points made whereas an argument, you'd target the person personally. That's what has happened in this and the other thread relating to this series.
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The anime was fine, but I put on hold after episode 8. It was lacking the sci-fi genre I love to read in the SAO novels. And that's the only reason I read SAO to begin with. Although sometimes it absolutely makes no sense (example is that how could Sugou go out and face Kirito in the hospital after being brutally murdered by Kirito in the game in no level pain absorber?), but I still loved it nonetheless.

But when novels like these are adapted and put to screen, it is then that the flaws are more noticeable to the viewers than ever. While watching the anime, I noticed that both the novel and the anime fail to give in-depth character developments to both Kirito and Asuna, which I think is a big flaw in the series and mainly why people are hating it.

Bu~t since it's about to end, I'll watch it now just to see how well they animated the novel. I can't say I'll love it as much as I loved the books though.
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I agree. SAO was looking up to being the best show this year, but has completely betrayed itself. One more episode left to see if this show can redeem itself after ruining one of the most intricate and exiting plots since Fate/ Zero.
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Okay dude, jesus, really, their is no incest since Kazuto/Kirito and Sugu are not brother and sister and it is even accepted in Japan for cousin's to get married. I mean I understand where Kirito is still coming from after the first part with SAO and death, if he still feels that there because you can't completely erase that feeling. It is going a bit too fast and it partially has to before Asuna get's married soon but getting to Asuna should have taken a bit longer. Even an episode longer and I would have been satisfied.
Also that Kazuto/ Kirito doesn't feel the same about Sugu, he loves Asuna so there is no problem dude.
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